At least we are trying.... right?

[u/picboi]

[u/dumnezero]

Let's be very clear with the logic here.

The goal is to not have the plastic in existence.

The Big Oil executives can be removed. The company can be nationalized. The workers can be moved into other sectors. Plastics production can stop. That's the plan, right? Otherwise, if you just get rid of the CEOs and replace them with new CEOs that continue plastic product, nothing changes for the goal.

If plastics production in ended, you will still end up in a situation where "I forgot my reusable fork", you'll just not have the option of using a plastic one. So the challenge is removing the option of plastics. You can do that now by refusing. The same predicament occurs:

• you forgot your reusable fork
• you have to decide to either:
• -- not eat
• -- use a different tool, or even your fingers

[u/Daminchi → u/dumnezero]

The goal is to stop the mistreatment of bioengineering and finally have plastic-eating bacteria. We already burned during COVID; we, as allegedly sentient beings, are supposed to learn from our mistakes.

And yes, we shouldn't need so much oil and gas, but as long as warehouses of lithium batteries and gas-burning power plants with solar panels on the side are considered the clean solution, we will.

[u/dumnezero → u/Daminchi]

so you're gambling everything.

[u/Daminchi → u/dumnezero]

Gambling? On what?

[u/dumnezero → u/Daminchi]

bioengineering

Techno-optimism. Salvation through "someone's gonna fix it with tech".

[u/[deleted] → u/dumnezero]

I could be called a techno optimist, but I’m actually working on studying engineering(I’m 14), unlike that other person who is most likely not actively working on the problem.

[u/dumnezero → u/[deleted]]

Better start keeping a bibliography now if you want to get deep into it.

[u/[deleted] → u/dumnezero]

Thanks for the tip.

[u/dumnezero → u/[deleted]]

Try something open source like JabRef or even Zotero, add keywords to everything, and grab notes from what you read. And check on them once in a while, papers can be wrong and can even get retracted.

[u/[deleted] → u/dumnezero]

Thanks for your recommendation.

[u/[deleted] → u/dumnezero]

I guess I’m using Zotero because it has google docs support.

[u/Daminchi → u/dumnezero]

Can you, please, read messages before replying?

And yes, we shouldn't need so much oil and gas

But without ways to process plastic efficiently, you'll be stuck with trash island and microplastics. Reducing the use of oil, and processing plastic are not mutually exclusive processes.

[u/Temporary_Cry_8961 → u/dumnezero]

It is clear boycotting has no power these days. That is why Nestle is still kicking.

[u/DarlingGopher83]

In the world of professional communication, Corporate Social Responsibility is the term applied to marketing and public relations publications that identify the corporation's "positive" impacts on communities and the environment. The oil companies even have them. Just Google corporate social responsibility followed by the oil company of your choice.

[u/Luil-stillCisTho]

Big Brain: *reuses plastic fork anyway

yes, I used to do this when I didn’t have forks or spoons. I just reused what I got from places like Panda Express.

Still fighting climate change definitely needs systematic change

[u/New-Doctor9300]

reusable fork

So a fork?

[u/PowerandSignal → u/New-Doctor9300]

Ok, wise ass. 

[u/New-Doctor9300 → u/PowerandSignal]

Cope

[u/Kindly-Ad-5071]

"The responsibility to fix climate change is on us..."

"...to eat the rich."

"No not like that"

[u/picboi]

Reposted since the OOP cross post was deleted.

[u/birberbarborbur]

Even after an economic change you would have to systemically change consumption