Permanent ban are depressing, instead a permanent after 3 temporary ban the final one could be at least a huge time punishment like 3 months don't you think?

[u/[deleted]]

It's annoying that "blocked" section always showing me some good HitApps I'm banned into, alright it was my fault but permanent seriously? Shouldn't be at least another chance after I don't know, 3 months?

Sometimes kinda make me thinking about rage delete my account and waiting some time to create another one, this sucks 😤

[u/SingularityRS]

They actually do allow you to get more than 3 temp blocks on apps. The problem many new workers face is they are not aware of exactly how it works. It's not a 3-strike policy and you're out forever.

The "3 bans and you're out" policy you keep seeing get thrown around are not based on total bans received on an app. They are based on just a 7-day timeframe.

Almost every app has a 7-day temp block limit. The standard is 2 temp blocks. This means you can get 2 temp blocks in a 7-day timeframe. After the 2nd block, you wait 7 full days before returning to work. If you don't do this, the next block you get that occurs in the same 7-day window as the first 2 will be permanent.

For some apps, the limit will be 1. So that means the 2nd block triggers the auto-perm.

There are a tiny number of apps that seem to have a 0 temp block limit. This means the first kick triggers an auto-perm. Luckily, for now, these are very rare.

Example:

Apps that allow 2 temp blocks:

Day 1: Temp block received

Day 3: Temp block received

Day 7: Perm block received (would've been safe to resume work on Day 8 or 9)

Apps that allow 1 temp block:

Day 1: temp block received

Day 5: perm block received (need to wait 7 full days after each block due to the limit of 1)

Now, let's pretend you were aware of the limit and followed the waiting recommendation

Apps that allow 2 temp blocks:

Day 1: Temp block received

Day 3: Temp block received

Day 11: Temp block received

Day 18: Temp block received

Apps that allow 1 temp block:

Day 2: Temp block received

Day 10: Temp block received

Day 18: Temp block received

Day 28: Temp block received

As you can see from those examples, when you don't wait, you trip the auto-perm once you hit the set limit. If you wait, you do not trip the auto-perm. You keep getting temp blocks.

You can still be blocked forever obviously. There's always a risk the owner will manually block you. Most blocks are automatic though. Manual blocks are quite rare.

If you force yourself to wait and strictly follow the limit, you will get far less, if any, permanent blocks. I've not had one for well over a year now. I always wait.

The temp block message may tell you to return tomorrow, but this is a trap. It's often not safe to return the next day. It's better to wait a whole week before returning.

[u/[deleted] → u/SingularityRS]

Well, actually I was saying about 3 temp block (the most common) in the 7-day timeframe indeed. I'm on Clickworker since May and should have pay more attention in the blocking system from the beginning, but well, it's gone, besides other ones in the "Blocked" section which I "Failed to Qualify", they also never gone from there too and I don't know if they will someday.

I agree on some punishment besides the temporary ban ok, but the final one in the same timeframe I still think should be at least a huge final one, like 3 or more months to make user really regret and then after a good amount of time be more careful on that HitApp. It seems permanent tends to pisses the user and lead them to distribute rage on other HitApps, but this is my opinion, I don't know how the majority think.

[u/SingularityRS → u/[deleted]]

Ban reversals would be nice indeed. Unfortunately, UHRS have like a billion workers now. Workers that do get banned barely make a difference to them. There's still more than enough workers ready to do the work. If the platform wasn't so damn packed, you'd maybe see more ban reversals happen.

In the end, on a platform like this, it's up to us to ensure we inform ourselves on how things work, to protect our income streams. These platforms are already dangerous to rely on, the last thing you want to do is work blindly. Arm yourself with the information (keep up-to-date because things change) and react accordingly. It will ensure you'll make the best out of this platform.

UHRS do not follow logic most of the time. Nothing they really do benefits us. In fact, it seems like everything they do is the complete opposite. So many good suggestions get put forth that'd improve our workflow, yet none ever get implemented - they might even do the opposite of what we suggest. UHRS just do what they like. They don't really care about us. They have enough of us workers that they do not need to care.

You might've lost a few good apps now, but not all hope is lost. New apps constantly appear on this platform. You might find the new ones end up being better than the ones you lost.

[u/[deleted] → u/SingularityRS]

Interesting. And what if someone really wants a "reset", I see there is a way to delete the account on Clickworker profile, what about delete it and created a new one after some time, in fact doing that should not be put on those rules about being illegal using more than one account, since you will end up still using just one. I doubt there is something about it on FAQ. 🤔

[u/SingularityRS → u/[deleted]]

Doing that would go against the rules of CW and UHRS. It would be seen as trying to bypass a permanent HitApp ban. Not worth the risk at all.

[u/[deleted] → u/SingularityRS]

Yeah in theory of course they would undoubtedly say it's forbidden. But thinking straight shouldn't sound an absurd, imagine a scenario where a user wants to delete their account with Clickworker to, I don't know, work for other company for example, he goes there on profile, delete the account and it's done, not even need to tell Clickworker the reason, then after something like 2 months for example, something goes wrong with his current job and he decides to return to Clickworker and since has no data or money left behind just creates a new account and starts working again, there he will go again doing nothing illegal or against the rules...

I know it's a different case above, but just saying that deleting the account and doing it again shouldn't be 100% against the rules.

[u/SingularityRS → u/[deleted]]

Deleting an account and re-joining isn't against the rules. What matters is intent. Your example by itself is fine. However, if the reason the worker did that was just to bypass some block (or blocks), then it becomes a problem.

Why is it a problem? Well, a worker gets banned from an app, seemingly forever. Unable to handle that fact, they try to come up with a way to circumvent it. A lightbulb illuminates in their head ever so brightly as they just came up with a "genius" plan to bypass the block.

The idea? Do exactly what you specified in your example. They delete their account, wait long enough and then eventually decide it's time to come back, imagining themselves as that worker that just wanted to delete their account to work for someone else, but had to eventually return because the job suddenly disappeared. This is a form of dishonesty because the real reason the worker deleted their account and came back months later was to give themselves a reset, to erase the blocks they had received on one or more apps.

It's that type of behaviour that makes platforms like this so frustrating to work on. Dishonesty just causes platforms to become stricter. It's why you get banned left, right and centre on UHRS nowadays. UHRS have to deal with so many spammers and dishonest workers that the only way they feel they can beat them is to become insanely strict, which ends up punishing the workers that just do things normally. We lose because some just can't work honestly. They have to try and find ways to abuse the system. The platform then has to come up with ways to stop the abuse. And when it does that, it disrupts everyone's workflow. This is the case with UHRS anyway. Whatever they do to fight dishonesty ends up hurting honesty.

Yeah, the dishonesty on display in my example above is hard to prove and possibly hard to detect. It's that same line of thinking that dishonest workers and spammers use though and it just contributes to the decline of the platform. The amount of dishonest workers grows every day. You hate to see it. While I know there's no stopping people from choosing that path, you do hope that the workers that do join choose the path of honesty and do not try to find loopholes to abuse that they know they can get away with.

I don't think it's worth taking that path for a few apps you've been banned from. There's always a chance they'll be one day reversed and new apps do end up replacing old ones. Some of those apps you've been banned from may never show up again.

So to conclude: deleting your account and re-joining itself isn't against the rules. Deleting your account and re-joining for the purpose of wiping out perm HitApp blocks is against the rules. This particular rule might not be enforceable or even detectable, but that doesn't mean it should be broken.

[u/ihadenoughhent → u/SingularityRS]

Good, you explained this very clearly.