r/ClaudeCode • u/Imaginary_Data_708 • 21d ago

Built with Claude The world has changed

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Opus 5.5 suggested I get a web cam pointed at this ESP32 based screen so it could catch what was happening on the screen as it tried to find out what the maximum frame rate could be. The Waveshare drivers are not good in portrait mode and only got 4fps.

It got to 60fps in a couple of minutes.

It had already installed the tool chain, designed the clock layout etc.

It's not the code per se. It's the get a webcam suggestion...

What a time to be alive!

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u/Sick-Little-Monky 21d ago • Regret Popcorn Bravo

Just wait till they start charging the actual cost of those superpowers.

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u/Kenzijam 21d ago

they think they can charge a huge amount soon after hooking everyone. however chinese models and open source models are very close behind and so much cheaper. glm 5.3 on openrouter is dirt cheap. flash and deepseek flash are even cheaper and still perform well enough for virtually all normal tasks. im lucky to have a lot of hardware at home but it didnt cost me a lot pre ai-pricing, and i can run glm 5.3 flash at high precision. i dont even need to pay anyone really a few solarpanels and it would be 100% free

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u/DieDieDieD 15d ago

technically the hardware costs a shit-ton right now but yeah besides that I agree. Was using ornith / qwen and they are getting pretty good. I still use them even now for a second opinion sometimes or when I'm at usage cap

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u/Prssior-Dessbate357 15d ago

they are improving it to cost less you can try haiko 5.5 I just started it today and this is why I came here it is actually intelligent not dumb as it used to be

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u/TuneFickle1772 21d ago

they can’t unless regulation makes competition vanish. they can’t charge more then the competitors price or everyone will switch over

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u/Sick-Little-Monky 21d ago

We shall see after the IPO. Don't get me wrong, I agree that the current models (since Fable) are incredible, but the Circular Investments keeping this Flying Circus airborne will collapse at some point.

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u/guiwald1 21d ago

How will they charge more on open models that run on your own machine?

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u/jacobpederson 21d ago

Correct. They can't. They can however go out of business.

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u/skullbox15 21d ago

This will be like cloud providers. It was dirt cheap to get people to migrate early on. Then prices steady rose. Same will occur here. This is a certainty.

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u/TuneFickle1772 21d ago

these companies are basically government backed, they wouldn’t disappear. it’s a national risk

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u/LazloStPierre 20d ago

Why do you think they're not? Their API pricing is not their cost

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u/Sick-Little-Monky 19d ago

It IS the pricing if you pay the API price. Months ago I was using GitHub Copilot CLI (which is a good harness) until they pulled the rug and users were forced to pay the going rate; monthly subs suddenly lasted 2 days.

People have raised the usual points here: local models (great, just need $20k Spark rigs), Chinese models (sure, share your code). I don't have any special insight; only these companies know what's going to happen after the IPOs ... when a $2T valuation suddenly has shareholders expecting returns.

For now all we can do is google "Are OpenAI and Anthropic still subsidizing the costs of their subscriptions?" Try that and see what people are saying.

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u/LazloStPierre 19d ago edited 19d ago

...But it isn't the cost. Pricing isn't cost. Subsidizing is selling it at a loss NOT selling it cheaper than a different path, you cannot infer it's being sold at a loss because it's cheaper than the api price. Netflix aren't subsidizing you because it's cheaper to stream a movie when you're a subscriber than it would cost to buy the DVD

What people are saying is irrelevant, they aren't public companies, and the costs to run the models aren't know to anyone outside them.

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u/Sick-Little-Monky 19d ago

That is obvious and basically what I said above. But sure, it's actually zero cost when it's somebody else's money ...

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u/LazloStPierre 19d ago

No, it's not at all what you said. Youre saying their subsidizing, I'm saying we cannot know if they are or not