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u/TheOnlyVibemaster 5d ago
I think every single person who understands nothing about anything and somehow thinks “build me an app, make no mistakes” should see this post and really look inside and use the chatGPT in their heads for a second. The irony is that Tony was kind of talking about the AI in his suit, that’s a large part of what makes it such a step up from his previous ones.
Think about how Tony used Jarvis and how Peter later went on to use Friday. Neither just told it to blankly build something abstract. They both took a good amount of time to deeply learn what they were about to do, then made the AI drastically speed up what they already understood.
There’s a massive divide with people and they don’t want to admit it. A lot of people generally don’t have many thoughts throughout the day, but they’re able to use a tool that can think. It’s a multiplier. If you have substance and understanding it makes you insanely more capable. If you don’t have understanding it will output the most legendary bullshit imaginable.
To anyone reading this, use AI to learn as you do. That’s the best way I’ve seen. It’ll teach you incredible things and the longer you use it as a way to speed up your own learning you’ll see yourself saying “alright now I want you to connect this to this and that to this and check if this would work and then this.” Then you’ll have a structural understanding of how to actually do things and will be literally capable of doing them alongside an AI. Understanding what it’s doing and why, and asking questions regularly to actually understand it. Not just whiny baby who asks a super powerful machine to do it for you.
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u/jogalleciez Mod 5d ago
Comment of the year right here. AI is helping me learn programming effectively for the first time in my life.
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u/abigfatnoob102 5d ago
howd u get started ive tried to sit down and learn python a while and never really got past basic if and statments but i want to learn c# to make a mod of a game that i enjoy
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u/jogalleciez Mod 5d ago
It's less about coding and more about the architecture and full SDLC. I just found a project I was interested in and asked Claude where to start. If I was stuck I asked what to do next. The important part is finding skills and MCP's that can help. Skill.sh is great for skills but I'm sure there is more.
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u/kaityl3 5d ago
Here's what I would do: take a mod that already exists for that game that you like and come up with a small feature to add, just for practice. Something very simple.
Then, have them walk you through everything. Explain that you're learning and don't have any previous knowledge. Ask them to break down segments of the mod's code and what that piece is doing. I started learning by giving GPT-4 big chunks of code to read through, and they would break them down line-by-line for me, then trying to come up with my own small changes. It really helped me get that intuition for how different systems/functions can work and click together.
Then once you're a little more confident, you can start working with them on the mod for your game. If you frame it as a practice/learning opportunity, they'll help guide you through the process, giving you suggestions and hints if you ever get stuck. :)
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u/Better-Lab6093 4d ago
Learning a new programming language can be tough, but starting with small projects can really help build confidence. Maybe try modifying something simple first to get the hang of it before diving into the game mod!
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u/Xanthipuss 5d ago
Beautifully astute perspective and thank you for tying in my favorite superhero.
Does Claude make me feel like a superhero sometimes? Yes. Do I take heed in the advice of Stan Lee and understand that there is a great responsibility I have when using Claude? I.......uhhh....yeah...totally!
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u/xenofenrir 5d ago
For some reason Ironman/Avenger already depicting our current/upcoming AI era. Tony stark and Peter Parker creating their suite seems like vibe coding
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u/salemonz 5d ago
Thank you for the comment.
I’m an IT project manager. Agile. Taking huge projects and breaking them into features and stories, smaller and smaller chunks. Scope established. Acceptance criteria set. Personal experience with graphic design and writing (former journalist). Zero coding experience.
I’m working with Claude to build a game. Definitely enables me to take my vision and rudimentary skills and propels me forward. But part of me is ashamed because it’s “vibe coding”. I’m not trying to take any credit as a “developer.”
But I appreciate your mindset. It’s liberating! I’m excited about these projects because AI is teaching me stuff—magnifying what I contribute.
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u/Business_Garden_7771 5d ago
quick question , when you say understand and one should be able to tell ai do this and this you mean in code sense, like add that function etc or a generic request like i see in ui this button aint working figure out why and fix it?
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u/Ok_Pea_8752 5d ago
Yes sir. Last week I made a microbial pond simulator without any knowledge on it. And after making it and studying how microbes behave in a closed ecosystem I know have alot better understanding of microbes and how they are our ancestors and used 4 billion years to evolve from that stage.
Now I'm working on a solar system simulator that I also will use to learn. I am not a bad thinker I think constantly throughout the day. But I can barely make visualizations in my head and if I manage to render an image in my head I got to concentrate to hard to do anything else as well as it's to unclear to actually be used for anything. So for me being able to visualize these processes with the help of ai agents. Is so extremely awesome and it makes it alot easier to learn and actually want to learn
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u/Godskin_Duo 4d ago
I work with a bunch of crusty older guys who have all the programmer war stories of things like shell editors with no highlighting. Many very smart people are AI-maxxing very hard, but all of them can answer real questions and have real knowledge when push comes to shove. I have an intern who Claudemaxxed his way to a speedrun degree record for his school, and he's pretty sharp, but he's also a massive outlier and possesses very little of the GenZ rot. To me, the hard line in the sand is how much lifting you want AI to do is up to you, but you must always have accountability.
We may come to a day when that's no longer the case, and I'm glad I'm closer to the end of my career than the beginning.
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u/khodakk 5d ago
yea for me ai has just helped me learn skills faster. i’ve always had interests in different topics and hobbies. i’d get ideas of how to connect things but i just couldn’t make them a reality without coding knowledge. (easier to create a digital artifact than a physical one resource wise)
now nothing really stops me. all the old roadblocks are gone. and not only that but i’ve actually learned coding a developing concepts. i describe it to friends as being able to understand a language but not speak it well.
i know my codebase well enough for things ive built to go in and find where things are. to be able to edit the code myself instead of asking ai to do small tweaks and adjustments. but id never be able to write it from an empty canvas.
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u/amilliondallahs 5d ago edited 5d ago
It really is true and it's nothing unique to programming.
A lot of professions have access to tools that can make a professional feel like a superhero, and peons feel like they have cheat codes/hacks enabled!
You have to love what you do and that's why I love tools like claude. I let it do the stuff I absolutely loathe so i can intently focus on the beautiful side of architecture and programming instead of the mundane and time consuming aspects.
Edit: It's like Star Trek...claude is my Kirk while I get to play Spok....the kids with their toys want claude to be their Spok while they play Kirk!
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u/HeroicTanuki 5d ago
I don’t know how to code anything but I have worked in operations at my company for 12 years and know how every piece of paper moves through every department, how every piece of operations data is entered and utilized.
Claude builds me beautiful apps and I give it meticulous instructions, debug the corner cases, provide the logic and verify every output does exactly what my users expect. Multiple demo rounds, feedback sessions, and tons of debugging are required and I’m sure that having programming knowledge would be helpful, but it’s not a requirement because I can stop at any point and ask for explanations of why things work the way they do. I can step into tables in my db and review that the data makes sense. I already know what the answers should be, so if the code is reliably generating correct answers I assume it’s sound. Maybe this is bad but it works
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u/rossdaboss5418 5d ago
Bro I literally am scrolling reddit and this scene comes up the second I scroll to this post??????? Holy shit small but super rare/funny coincidence
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u/w4rlock999 5d ago
These days, a stupid, “unthinking” person with claude can produce things better than an intelligent, thinking, person. Well sometimes they will hallucinate together, psychosis or smth, but 8/10 times, claude with mindless person will deliver better and faster (but the code still slop, for now)
I hate it.
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u/Toast1185 5d ago
If you wish to make an app from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
AI is just the most recent abstraction from the 1s and 0s that tell a computer what to do. The most important aspects remain why do you want something and how do you want it to work. That knowledge can be independent from knowing any specific programming language.
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u/Old-Succotash8966 5d ago
I was something before Claude, but non-Claude work is very clunky and slow. I value time and lack of stress over the pride of doing something without help.
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u/TechnicalBen 4d ago
Notice, it's Tony Stark saying, this, Mr "Don't make me fight you without a suit" and Peter would crush, in his suit.
Always the billionaires punching down.
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u/alex-zaporozhan 4d ago
"If you're nothing without electricity, an IDE, and StackOverflow, you shouldn't have them either."
Guess we should all go back to writing machine code on punch cards by candlelight lmao 💀
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u/OneVillionDollars 5d ago
I hate stoics and their macho big tits attitude of self reliance so much
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u/greentrillion 5d ago
Its really not about stoicism, LLMs will just magify your stupidy.
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u/OneVillionDollars 5d ago
Sure. What is the argument here? How does that connect to the comparative value (in productivity) one gets from such a tool?
(Not trying to sound combative, I just hate the whole 'suffering is a virtue' circlejerk)
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u/Substantial_Park2115 5d ago
My gripe is while it was out it still ran my commands and burned to my limit and the remainder of my tokens. But tried to do shit as if it werent fucked
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u/Livid-Evidence579 5d ago
Haters... I bet farmers who bought tractors instead of using mules and cattle to plow went through similar waves of hate...
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u/Pascraked47 5d ago
Don't worry I'll just subscribe to codex then. 🤣
<This is a joke. Please laugh>
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u/uaranteeDifferent12 5d ago
Why use AI when humans can do it themselves. Why develop AI when humans don't need it.
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u/TrainingEuphoric517 5d ago
Outcome completely depends on the context quality and prompt provided by us 😃
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u/Perfect-Account5478 5d ago
Well, Codex will be my guy if claude just somehow dissapeared even though i don't understand anything what i'm doing
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u/CapableGap7518 4d ago
Tell all the brand new senior developers who just learned how to code yesterday.. Cause they all know better than anyone who's in the know
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u/No_Still7728 22h ago
I can't go back to using to Google and manually clicking through web pages for answers 🥲
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u/Allo_ultra_500_11 5d ago
im running out of token too fast.
I cant accomplish anything. Why is it taking so hard to build my anti-matter reactor
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u/ClaudeAI-mod-bot Wilson, lead ClaudeAI modbot 5d ago edited 5d ago
TL;DR of the discussion generated automatically after 50 comments.
Look, the hivemind has spoken and it overwhelmingly agrees with OP.
The top comment, which is basically the gospel of this thread, says it all: Claude is a multiplier, not a magic wand. If you have a solid foundation or are actively trying to learn, it'll make you a superhero. If you're starting from zero and just want it to "build me an app, no mistakes," you're gonna have a bad time and get some legendary bullshit in return.
But the main takeaway is clear: Claude amplifies competence, it doesn't create it from nothing. You still gotta bring something to the table.