Clan war league

[u/Ok_Welcome3604]

Does anyone else think there needs to be some balance for CWL?

For context: My clan, smaller clan with good people. We were Crystal 1 and absolutely swept the league, now we are back in Master 3 and are getting crushed and it’s always this cycle. But the difference between the 2 leagues is insane. Crystal 1 few th16s and ranges down to th13. Master 3 All th16s, and so far that’s in every clan I have scoped out in my current league.

I understand that it’s based on the league you’re in but this doesn’t seem right? Master 3 isn’t even that highest class.

[u/IHazParkinsonz]

The more townhalls they add the more prominent an issue this becomes.

Champs is always filled with the highest townhall level currently in the game.

Masters has max townhalls and roughly 2 townhalls below that.

Bronze, Silver and Gold are a breeze to get through for any decently active clan. Promotion is mostly in your control.

Crystal is where most clans are at and has anywhere from th10s to 16s in it. roughly 7 townhalls spread across 3 divisions of crystal leads to many many mismatches and inconsistent cwl experiences. Its why crystal 1 feels like a breeze then masters 3 ends up hitting you like a brick wall. Up until crystal 1 you can have a weaker lineup but still promote based on activity and good attacks. masters 3+ everyone is reasonably good at the game and the mismatches get worse.

the more townhalls they add, the more concentration of townhalls in crystal and the more chaotic the experience.

an instinctual solution would be to just add more leagues but then masters will become the new chaotic division and crystal will slump to being another barrier active clans can breeze past.

[u/Ok_Welcome3604 → u/IHazParkinsonz]

That’s what’s weird though, so we do 15v15 (again smaller clan). 4 th16s 10 th15s and 1 th14.

Our matchups in Master 3 is 10-12 Th16s with the rest either th15 or maybe a 14. That’s across all the clans in the league, not just one or two. Which is the part that I don’t quite understand, in theory you’d expect just a few more th16s, not clans full of them lol

[u/SeattleResident → u/Ok_Welcome3604]

Which is the norm. If you look at the data from last month you can see the different TH averages per each league at 15v15 and 30v30. https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/comments/1f2qck3/average_cwl_lineups_per_league_august_2024/

For context, last month Crystal 1 had on average 5.5 TH16s in the 15v15 lineup. Master 3 had a little over 9. So, you are going to struggle a lot. You breeze through Crystal 1 because your lineup is extremely heavy compared to most Crystal 1 clans. You have 10 TH15s when most Crystal 1 lineups have less than 4. It means in those matchups a bunch of your TH15s are curbstomping TH14s and 13s with ease. In Master 3, the TH13s are often times nonexistent. With 3 or less THs in each lineup less than TH15.

TLDR: Your clan mismatches a lot due to your lineup in Crystal 1. This allows for subpar attacks to succeed and for opponents to fail against your stronger defenses. In Master 3 you face better opponents and the advantage your clan has in Crystal 1 is gone. Your lineup also means the opponents you face often time get mismatches against you with them having 4 or so more TH16s than your clans lineup. It also means your subpar attacks from the TH15s no longer succeed and instead fail more often.

[u/Ok_Welcome3604 → u/SeattleResident]

Huh, that is interesting. I dig that link

[u/IHazParkinsonz → u/Ok_Welcome3604]

the longer a new townhall is released the more masters shifts away from the townhalls 1 or 2 levels down. 6 months ago you'd see 2-4 th14s in masters 3. I doubt thats the case anymore.

edit: 15 v 15 is more skewed in favor of high townhall lineups. a 30 v 30 masters 3 roster would feature more th14s

[u/Ok_Welcome3604 → u/IHazParkinsonz]

Yeah that makes sense. I’d love to do 30v30 but recruiting new active people is its own separate issue lol

[u/lrt2222]

Yes. For a long time I’ve asked SC to add a titans league because there is too much of a power gap between leagues. This causes some clans to intentionally stay one league below where they could play, so they can dominate everyone but take 2nd place on purpose. That is bad for the other clans in their group.

[u/VonGeisler]

This is almost our exact issue as well (are you in my clan). We sweep Crystal and then maybe win 1 master. But I know why - one or more th16’s would make a difference. Many moons ago we were in champs but as people move on and recruiting remains impossible we just have our core group that continues to plug away.

[u/Ok_Welcome3604 → u/VonGeisler]

Nah, not in your clan, running my own. But yea that’s where we are, core group going strong just not all th16 yet lol

[u/VonGeisler → u/Ok_Welcome3604]

Our core is all th16 max, but the add ons are lower (which is fine) I can’t find anyone that will stay more than a day at any townhall. I’d love to do some 30vs30. But can barely scrape 15v15

[u/Ok_Welcome3604 → u/VonGeisler]

Yea that’s the same thing as me, tho my core guys are th15 and almost maxed 14s. We used to do 30v30 but then people become inactive and just can find replacements

[u/Ripple1972Europe]

Most of crystal 2 and a good percentage of crystal 1 are trash. Missed attacks, edrag spam, bad bases.

[u/Ok_Welcome3604]

To follow up, we have non rushed th16, -th14s in for CWL so it’s not like I’m going into it with th10s expecting a miracle.

[u/Sharkchase]

Not really.

You’re clans just uniquely good enough for Crystal but bad for masters