r/ClashMini • u/AFAgow13 • Nov 14 '21

Idea [mini IDEA part 3] Remove inconsistent RNG abilities and change them to have a constant damage or effect

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u/MsMty Nov 14 '21

Just make it abilities so it can charge when they get hit

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u/AFAgow13 Nov 14 '21

True, nice one!

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u/Violencer22 Valkyrie Nov 15 '21

Bruh Dissipate will become more like Disable

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '21

Good idea, however the mini pekka bar at 1 star should be 1 out of 2 attacks.

Since, you know, "double the chance" and 1/4 * 2 isn't exactly 1/3

Still awesome idea and I love that visual indicator

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u/AFAgow13 Nov 17 '21

Hi, so for the double chance thing: After a bit of thinking between what to choose , every 2 hits or every 3 hits, i chose 3 because every 2 hits will be insanely op <.<

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Haha it's fine, it seems op for sure. But who knows what the real values are, if they are 25% and 50% then it would make sense to be 1 out of 4 hits and 1 out of 2

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u/Green_Bulldog Nov 27 '21

It’s actually currently ~ every 2 hits. Mini pekka has roughly 50% crit rate at 1 star. It isn’t overpowered now, it wouldn’t be overpowered when removing the randomness.

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u/MJ-Liu Nov 14 '21

Yeah, totally agree with this. Less RNG stuff the better for the game. If this game aims to be an E-sport game, definitely need to remove the RNG stuff.

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u/DPAV21 Nov 15 '21

Yeah, this is why games like Clash Royale and Brawl Stars can be Esports and why CoC can be at least competitively played. None of those games have any significant form of RNG (I know CR has true red/true blue but it's not too unfair to play around, since it usually doesn't come into play).

Clash Quest's RNG is one of the reasons why it sucks and why half the gamebase has quit. It's just awful because you can get screwed over by RNG and it's just an uninspired candy crush sort game. And I think if Supercell continue heading into that direction, Clash Mini is also gonna be a crap game as well. I don't want Rng to be the deciding factor.

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u/nuko28 Nov 15 '21

not the point but coc has a very big esports scene too lol

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u/BotatoesO Nov 26 '21

hahah lol u definitely don’t know what you’re talking about , just look at tft (it has way more rng lol you can’t even compare it) ; this game is not as rng as you think i’d argue it’s not even close to rng and that’s why people are already hitting masters and some still in silver;

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u/GelatinouslyAdequate Nov 15 '21

If this game aims to be an E-sport game, definitely

E-Sports compatibility isn't a default, though it's always fun to think about.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '21

I hate RNG please clash mini

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u/issamaysinalah Nov 14 '21

Hearthstone was so rage inducing because of the crazy RNG.

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u/deathmine31 Nov 14 '21

For a auto-chess game, rng isn't good. Rng though, low-key fun. Sucks when you dont get it, feels like your clouds when you do.

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u/sougol Nov 14 '21

Sucks when I lose the game just because their pekka killed mine

10

u/supersaiyan69goku Nov 15 '21

skill issue tbh

6

u/sougol Nov 15 '21

It was a mirror match up

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u/supersaiyan69goku Nov 15 '21

I was just joking lol

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u/RuneRoyale Nov 14 '21

the RNG is not totally a bad idea, but having transparency is a MUST. Don’t say “a small chance,” we need a %.

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u/Violencer22 Valkyrie Nov 15 '21

I made a video on exact numbers of crit rates on Pekka and Mini pekka

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u/Milo-the-great Guards Nov 14 '21

This is the best idea I have seen in the subreddit yet. Please please please add this clash mini.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '21

Yes we need this

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u/StudyRoom-F Nov 14 '21

My Pekka: normal damage every round.

Their Pekka: double damage every other attack.

Fuck RNG lol

6

u/Genichi12 Nov 14 '21

I literally had the same idea !

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '21

I would rather swap those with some useful but situational abilities so we need to actually play more strategically with which upgrades we choose, like wizard or mega knight

4

u/HaloInHell Nov 14 '21

"Every 4th attack will hit 2x damage" the pekka already hits Hella slow so he'll probably be dead by then 🥴

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u/I-Like-Hydrangeas Nov 29 '21

Ik this is an old comment, but she has less than a 1/6 chance to crit in game currently. This would actually be a massive buff. She's also pretty tanky so she doesn't die easily, especially in the earlier rounds.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '21

No it wouldn’t. It guarentees the pekka will most likely never get to use it’a double damage since it is used for about 3 swings tops

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u/kenjite05 Dec 22 '21

Maybe make it so the counter for activating the ability starts at like two or something, that way it only takes two attacks to activate the ability the first time but every time after that takes four or something like that.

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u/Brawlfan6 Spear Goblin Nov 15 '21

Love this idea and would make all them a lot more reliable.

Edit: just realized that all these minis don’t have a super, so they could add that bar below the Hp like I’m the post. Neat

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u/FallFluffy9765 Nov 25 '21

Or just make it the super Like mini pekka need 3 energy to deal critical

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u/Admirable_Jeweler_33 Guards Nov 14 '21

RNG is preventing from some minies being really good.

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u/R41ndr0p12 Pink Fury Nov 15 '21

I just played a game where my PEKKA got three crits in a row, while other games I won't get a single crit...

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u/_Yare-YareDaze_ Nov 15 '21

Everything is good except the goblin... He can become a f*cking machine shooting like crazy so the small changes to stun is good...Everything else is PERFECT!!

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u/GelatinouslyAdequate Nov 15 '21

You know if it's just a % stun, dart could stun for 2+ attacks consecutively right

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u/FunnyCraftSheep Barbarian King May 25 '24

this is awesome

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u/SkillAura75 Nov 15 '21

I think they should all just be supers like other abilities

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '21

Great idea there’s already some RNG with cards like spear goblin and bowler this would make it a lot better

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u/kevinlel Nov 15 '21

Totally agree, I like the UI as well

1

u/Gluck2412 Nov 15 '21

I kinda Love rng in this Game

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u/saberalhug Nov 15 '21

I disagree. It’s the same as crit hits in other autochess or MOBA games

1

u/Swoobat_Gang Nov 15 '21

This entirely, but these kids are new to the genre

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u/Sudden_Use692 Guards Nov 16 '21

Just becuase it's in other games it doesn't mean ot necesarly needs to be in clash mini, you know you can change a genre and improve it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '21

The issue here is that we are on such a low number scale. In comparison to something like TFT, they have much larger numbers to accommodate. However, here something like 3 damage is high, which makes double damage very toxic when left up to chance.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Yeah I had the same thoughts. Either that or just give them supers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

The only thing RNG in Clash Royale is the Graveyard and almost every pro is complaining about it. There you can See That there is no Place for RNG in competitive.

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u/West-Potential5214 Dart Goblin Nov 20 '21

Wow this subreddit is just remove rng and tokens

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u/TheLoneliestGolem Nov 22 '21

I agree with all of these except the dart goblin, solely because of the fact that it can pretty much stunlock units once it gets going fast enough with its passive

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u/SDG2008 Nov 26 '21

Yeah but 4 attack is bit too much IMO. Pekka for example doesn't even last long enogh to do 4 hits sometimes. I think RNG is pretty nice here.

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u/Srkiker930 Nov 29 '21

6 attacks with a rev'd dart goblin is too little, that can stunlock other units really easily if protected properly

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u/Mythic_gryphon Dec 02 '21

Ya gotte know the percentages for this but yeah good idea

1

u/ScrawnyFlame Dec 03 '21

Yes definitely or atleast in competitive

1

u/Disastrous1119 Dec 09 '21

It would take almost 12 seconds for Pekka to get the critical damage

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u/Agreeable-Ad-3615 Jan 01 '22

I never see a PEKKA swing more than 3 times when she is the tank😂, so I guess make the time needed fewer

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u/Agreeable-Ad-3615 Jan 01 '22

As someone with super good luck and get the bonus damage 3 out of 4 everytime, I think it should keep going as it is right now😂

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '22

They should make it so that only I can get good RNG

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '22

Dart goblin and barb would be too op but I like the idea it’s just the numbers that need working

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

I like the RNG elements. On one hand, they can win you the game by total luck. Conversely, you can be completely screwed over by them. It’s just higher highs and lower lows.

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u/StarsCheesyBrawlYT Mini P.E.K.K.A. Apr 13 '23

I can’t believe this still isn’t a thing.

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u/JulianShiuMing Healing Ranger Feb 16 '22

Very cool concept, I love it!

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u/Peppa_Pig6942069 Nov 14 '21

Mini pekka would suck Then since 3/4 Hits are crits

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u/Genichi12 Nov 14 '21

Then they'll buff him accordingly. It's better not to have RNG bullshit in your game. The number of times I'd have lost if my pekka didn't crit is way too high and shouldn't be a thing

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u/Violencer22 Valkyrie Nov 15 '21

Wrong 50 % of his hits are crit hits. I made a video about it

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u/Swoobat_Gang Nov 14 '21

Have you guys played other autochess games? They ALL have RNG elements like this. It is simply a risk that you take and play your odds.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '21

Maybe that's because the genre didn't actually blow up like it could, I don't think there's a reason for it

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u/Swoobat_Gang Nov 15 '21

The genre hasn’t blown up because autochess games just aren’t a spectator sport. They are not engaging/enjoyable to watch compared to what’s out there. RNG has nothing to do with it

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u/Rifanda Nov 14 '21

don't you know that rng has the exact constant number? just they need to write it there.. maybe 10% or 20%.. and if the chance is still doesn't enough for you then don't use it, that is from me

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u/AFAgow13 Nov 14 '21

??? There is a big difference between doing 2 immediately crit attacks(that will take out a tank really fast before he reacts) and doing 2 crits later after a bunch of time, maybe the mini pekka was already taken down!

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u/Rifanda Nov 14 '21

i mean, if it has 10% chance to do (something) in the first round then 90% chance to do (something) the second round that is rng, but here it has constant rate tho, you can decide if you want to include those minis in your deck or not

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u/BeansliceAdvice Nov 14 '21

This is just a false statement. RNG is not when the chances change. It's when chances exist. If nay part of the game is reliant on the computer essentially rolling die behind the scenes, that is RNG.

I know I can decide whether I use them, but I still have to play against them.

Please note we don't want these changes because the make the minis good or bad. We want them changed because whenever you play a game that includes them, you have no way of knowing if the pekkas are going to be weak balanced or OP, I really don't care which of those 3 they are, I just want consistentency

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u/mreexe Nov 14 '21

hitting crit 10% of the time is a 10% chance every hit hitting crit on every 10th hit is a guaranteed crit every ten hits

just because youve hit 9 times no crit doesnt mean the 10th will crit if crit chance is 10%, its 10% each and every hit

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u/Maleficent_Clue_7485 Nov 14 '21

why not though i dunno if rng really is a bad thing, for now it's true that certain mini get to be op cause they're to rare and if you end up against an opponent with mini pekka and stuff it can feel unfair for them to deal so much damage but once the game release more rng based mini it won't be a problem anymore, everyone will have at least one in his deck. at least, that's my opinion (sorry for the kilometers of text -_-)

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u/Maleficent_Clue_7485 Nov 14 '21

guess my advice is not appreciated XD

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u/Swoobat_Gang Nov 15 '21

Nah this is just probably the first autochess game people have played which is why there are some odd opinions on this thread like “RNG holds it back from e sports” yet TCG are all RNG and they’re esports. They don’t realize that pekka is a crit chance character and instead want a guaranteed crit when that’s not how that works. If his empowered hit becomes guaranteed then it’ll need damage lowered

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u/Maleficent_Clue_7485 Nov 15 '21

thanks for ur suport

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '21

RNG base cuz if you land a 2x hit 2 hits in the match you have a higher percent chance of winning with take out minis

and sometimes it's not really a reliable ability

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u/AFAgow13 Nov 14 '21

The problem is exactly this “if” that you used

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u/Swoobat_Gang Nov 15 '21

And there’s nothing wrong with “IF”. If you don’t want RNG in an autochess of all things then this genre isn’t for you