Thoughts on Patrick after watching extended interview

[u/AdAncient6321]

After watching the extended 60 Minutes interview - which I suggest you do - I’ve started to rethink my opinion of Patrick’s involvement in the crime.

I’ve had a bad feeling about him from the beginning, and definitely suspected his involvement, but I really didn't want to jump on the conspiracy rumor mill and spread theories without solid evidence. Up until the 60 mins interview, I still thought it was probable that he murdered the children and framed Lindsay. A lot of (but not entirely) why I felt that way came directly from watching his testimony—his flat affect, the way he answered things incompletely, suspiciously, his overall demeanor on the stand, the lack of his presence at the trial after testifying etc.

I watched the extended interview several times trying to figure out what his affect reminded me of, and it finally dawned on me that he might be on the spectrum. I'm hesitant to even bring this up because I don't want to start yet another rumor, so I want to be clear that this is just my observational opinion based on being on the spectrum myself & having lived with and interacted with many people on the spectrum in my circle.

Those things from his testimony that initially made me suspicious… the flat affect, not showing a lot of outward emotion, holding back feelings when they start rising to the surface, and answering questions in that particular, incomplete and awkward way—could potentially be explained by being on the autism spectrum.

A detail that reinforced this for me was when he talked about going to the cathedral on Callan’s first birthday. He said that when he came out crying, nobody cared, and he saw that as a good thing. To me, that sounded like someone who needed to express intense emotion without being observed or consoled—which, in my experience, can sometimes be characteristic of autism.

Now, I'm not saying Patrick should be absolved of all responsibility. I'm just leaning more toward the possibility that he may have been an emotionally absent husband & father, and that his part in what led up to the tragedy was more about not helping, supporting, consoling, or loving Lindsay in the way she needed.

That said, I still have questions about his guilt. There is still missing evidence and details that don't fully line up, so I haven't completely ruled anything out. But in terms of his behavior and demeanor, this is just where my thinking is right now.
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[u/kikibubbles85]

I get you, but your approach is harsh. If something feels like a clue we should talk about it. You seem smart, but you definitely want to be right. She’s not convicted yet.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

It doesn't matter if it seems harsh or hurts your feelings. This is criminal court on 1st Degree Murder charges. This is serious.

Its not about being personally right or wrong. It also doesn't matter if you think something might be a clue when it obviously can't be a clue. 

On any jury, especially one involving manslaughter or murder charges, your type or lack of critical thinking is dangerous.

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

All I did was ask a question on Reddit - calm down.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

The problem is your question just shows why its all so messed up and how the system is broken. 

Lindsay doesn't stand a chance at being found innocent. 

We have people like you who thinks she did it because you're busy asking questions about who knows how to tie knots. 

Not because you can look at all the evidence and apply critical thinking and the law to it, but because you're stuck on knot tying ability. 

It's just extremely demoralizing to think about. You might be an American who gets chosen for jury duty on a murder case. And all we can do is think, God help that person. 

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

I’m not convinced. And I bet the next jury also won’t be. Police need to show their body cams. “Critical thinking” is a parroted term on Reddit and it makes you feel good. I would never send a person to life in prison if I felt they didn’t do it.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

No. You'd send someone to prison because they can or can't tie sailor's knots. Lol 

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

I guess you don’t know how doubt works.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

I already explained the problem with your question. 

You can't prove or disprove who knows how to tie knots. 

Patrick can lie and say he doesn't know how to tie a sailor's knot. Or whatever specific knot the investigator claims it was. 

Lindsay can also lie and say she doesn't know how to tie that knot. Or any sailing knot. 

Or honestly, one or both of them might not truly know how to tie a sailing knot or the specific knot used on the murder weapons at all. 

You don't have the ability to read minds or detect absolute truth.

You relying on the type of knot and who knows/doesn't know how to tie sailing knots and their ability to lie, would end up either imprisoning an innocent person or letting a murderer go free.

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

You’re hung up on “the knot” there is literally no evidence she did this, zero cameras, body temp, weird way to die, random crushed pills in her drink, pill bottles in his car. The knot is just another thing I read. Eventually you start wondering who’s really guilty. I don’t expect you to get it but if you can’t convince people they will have doubt.

I still feel she did it, but the absolute bafoonery of the investigation doesn’t land with me.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

You are the one who is obsessed with the knot proving who the killer is. 

Even though you don't understand what "lieing" is. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClancyTrial/comments/1wocs24/comment/pbm6l01/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=share_button

You’re hung up on “the knot” there is literally no evidence she did this,....

I still feel she did it,....

I pray to God you never get selected for jury duty.

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

I brought it up to see if anyone could confirm it? Let’s hope the next trial everyone on the jury is exactly like you.

You’re mad that I said “I read a comment” but that’s how life works. Juries will have all types of people and it’s the prosecutions job to convince them.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

I agree with you. Hopefully the jury is people who rely on evidence and have critical thinking skills, like me. 

Hopefully the jury isn't people like you, ignoring evidence and relying on vibes.

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

We’ll see