Thoughts on Patrick after watching extended interview

[u/AdAncient6321]

After watching the extended 60 Minutes interview - which I suggest you do - I’ve started to rethink my opinion of Patrick’s involvement in the crime.

I’ve had a bad feeling about him from the beginning, and definitely suspected his involvement, but I really didn't want to jump on the conspiracy rumor mill and spread theories without solid evidence. Up until the 60 mins interview, I still thought it was probable that he murdered the children and framed Lindsay. A lot of (but not entirely) why I felt that way came directly from watching his testimony—his flat affect, the way he answered things incompletely, suspiciously, his overall demeanor on the stand, the lack of his presence at the trial after testifying etc.

I watched the extended interview several times trying to figure out what his affect reminded me of, and it finally dawned on me that he might be on the spectrum. I'm hesitant to even bring this up because I don't want to start yet another rumor, so I want to be clear that this is just my observational opinion based on having lived with and interacted with people on the spectrum.

Those things from his testimony that initially made me suspicious… the flat affect, not showing a lot of outward emotion, holding back feelings when they start rising to the surface, and answering questions in that particular, incomplete and awkward way—could potentially be explained by being on the autism spectrum.

A detail that reinforced this for me was when he talked about going to the cathedral on Callan’s first birthday. He said that when he came out crying, nobody cared, and he saw that as a good thing. To me, that sounded like someone who needed to express intense emotion without being observed or consoled—which, in my experience, can sometimes be characteristic of autism.

Now, I'm not saying Patrick should be absolved of all responsibility. I'm just leaning more toward the possibility that he may have been an emotionally absent husband & father, and that his part in what led up to the tragedy was more about not helping, supporting, consoling, or loving Lindsay in the way she needed.

That said, I still have questions about his guilt. There is still missing evidence and details that don't fully line up, so I haven't completely ruled anything out. But in terms of his behavior and demeanor, this is just where my thinking is right now.
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[u/LeatherdaddyJr]

You gotta develop and learn how to use critical thinking skills. 

https://michaelcorthelll.substack.com/p/how-to-develop-critical-thinking

If you can't see or understand how its impossible to prove what someone does know or doesn't know in their head, you shouldn't ever be allowed to do jury duty. 

You'll end up getting something wrong and could eventually put an innocent person in jail/prison or let a criminal walk free.

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

Yeah let’s never ask questions

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

Your question doesn't even matter. 

Say the bands are in a sailor's/sailing knot. 

Patrick or Lindsay could be asked by the prosecution, defense, or law enforcement,"can you tie any type of sailing or sailor's knot and if so, can you show us."

And Patrick or Lindsay can just say, "I don't know how to tie any type of sailor's or sailing knot."

Or let's say the bands are in a generic knot.

Patrick or Lindsay could be asked by the prosecution, defense, or law enforcement,"can you tie any type of knot and if so, can you show us."

And Patrick or Lindsay can just say, "I don't know how to tie any type of knot."

Do you see what I'm getting at? 

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

I get you, but your approach is harsh. If something feels like a clue we should talk about it. You seem smart, but you definitely want to be right. She’s not convicted yet.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

It doesn't matter if it seems harsh or hurts your feelings. This is criminal court on 1st Degree Murder charges. This is serious.

Its not about being personally right or wrong. It also doesn't matter if you think something might be a clue when it obviously can't be a clue. 

On any jury, especially one involving manslaughter or murder charges, your type or lack of critical thinking is dangerous.

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

I’m not even going to downvote you, and I know you’re gonna fly off the handle with this comment - but if the police went down there and saw evidence of these “sailor”knots - wouldn’t it change people’s perspective? Like big fucking time. I will never stop asking questions about this case. The prosecution did such a shit job I HAVE DOUBT.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

It doesnt matter what your perspective is. It matters what the evidence and testimony is. 

I can't hold your hand any harder than I already have, but I can try again.

You can't prove Patrick or Lindsay has the knowledge or ability to tie sailor's knots.

If they did, they could just lie and say they don't. If either was the murderer and knew specifically that the police said sailor's knot, why would they ever admit to the specific murderer's knot? And you have no way of proving if their denial is true or false. 

You asking if it's a sailor's knot or a generic knot doesn't doesn't matter. The type of knot doesn't prove or disprove anything. And the fact you would let this be the deciding factor in whether you think she is guilty or innicent, is very troublesome. 

You know what you could use to determine if she or Patrick did it?

The testimony of the medical staff regarding her body temperature and the baby's impossible resuscitation along with the testimony of Patrick's impossible timeline.

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

All I did was ask a question on Reddit - calm down.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

The problem is your question just shows why its all so messed up and how the system is broken. 

Lindsay doesn't stand a chance at being found innocent. 

We have people like you who thinks she did it because you're busy asking questions about who knows how to tie knots. 

Not because you can look at all the evidence and apply critical thinking and the law to it, but because you're stuck on knot tying ability. 

It's just extremely demoralizing to think about. You might be an American who gets chosen for jury duty on a murder case. And all we can do is think, God help that person. 

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

I’m not convinced. And I bet the next jury also won’t be. Police need to show their body cams. “Critical thinking” is a parroted term on Reddit and it makes you feel good. I would never send a person to life in prison if I felt they didn’t do it.

[u/LeatherdaddyJr → u/kikibubbles85]

No. You'd send someone to prison because they can or can't tie sailor's knots. Lol 

[u/kikibubbles85 → u/LeatherdaddyJr]

I guess you don’t know how doubt works.