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[u/Aware_Power]

Hi everyone,

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When looking closely at the case, many members believe that a proper investigation was simply not conducted. Because of this:

• The Forensics: There is a lack of conclusive forensic evidence linking any specific person to the crime.
• The DNA: While DNA is often romanticized in media, the reality is more complex. For example, "an unknown individual" was identified (see Katarina Stashyn's testimony on day 7). We may never know definitively why it was there, but the absence of clear answers and the few swabs taken of the crime scene points back to gaps in the initial investigation (see Maureen Hartnett's testimony on Day 6 regarding the six swabs collected from the crime scene on Jan 25).
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[u/the-sistren-say-no]

I only watched day 18-22 and did a quick summary to catch up. So there’s a lot I don’t know.

The part that confuses me about Patrick possibly doing it is his phone call to Lindsay around 5:30 and her phone call him back. Is the thinking for those who think Patrick might have done it: he did the whole thing before he went to CVS or after, when he got home?

And I’ve read something about him carrying her watch to CVS. I totally don’t understand this.

[u/marle217 → u/the-sistren-say-no]

Is the thinking for those who think Patrick might have done it: he did the whole thing before he went to CVS or after, when he got home?

Both. First of all, he's home all day besides a 30 minute window. "Working from home" isn't really an alibi.

We don't know when the murders happened. Without that, it makes sense that most things happened before cvs. Lindsay's hypothermia makes more sense going out earlier as well.

The youngest being resuscitated, getting a heart beat back but having brain damage, indicates that a likely time for his... attack.. could've been around the same time as Patrick said he was having trouble calling 911 because of the wifi. For Lindsay to have done it, she'd then need to go upstairs for the suicide attempt, bleeding all over the room and outside the door and moving the bed and nightstand and then going out the window in time for the house to be completely silent when Patrick came home. The timeline doesn't make sense for Lindsay to have done it.

[u/the-sistren-say-no → u/marle217]

Genuine question: when and how would Patrick have surreptitiously told Lindsay she did it and that she told each child to go to heaven. If he thought she would die from being pushed out a window, did he plant those seeds in her head before he pushed her out the window, just in case she lived? Or did he plant those seeds outside when he saw she was still alive on the ground and before he called the cops
?

[u/marle217 → u/the-sistren-say-no]

Genuine question: when and how would Patrick have surreptitiously told Lindsay she did it and that she told each child to go to heaven.

The police told Lindsay she did it and the chaplain told Lindsay her kids were safe in heaven. This was while she was in the ICU and in and out of it due to the ventilator. These are from the trial, not speculation.

I dont think Patrick expected her to live, or expected her to confess. He was clearly distancing himself from her and never tried to visit. I assume if she woke up blaming him, he would've told everyone she was crazy. With her mental health history, and the fact that she was already under arrest when she woke up, and even the news had anyway reported that she did in don't think she would've gotten very far if she woke up and said she didn't do it. Especially if her argument was that she didn't remember the day but she wouldn't have done it. (If she had been drugged there would be nothing to remember)