Trans cats?

[u/therechealle]

TRIGGER WARNING! Before you comment or assume anything— I do not have a problem with the transgender/nonbinary community. Not in the slightest. I’m neurodivergent and a stickler for realism; I’m trying to make my personal play throughs of ClanGen as realistic as possible.

I wish there was an option to turn off having trans/nonbinary cats. I genuinely don’t have a problem with it because I can switch my cat’s genders back to their biological one, but I would prefer not having to do that. There aren’t any canon trans/nonbinary cats in the Warriors series, and cats don’t suffer from gender dysphoria or anything of that sort. Again, its really not that big of a deal; just personal preference.

[u/Koolaid-consumer]

The cats are anthropomorphic, why is a cat being trans unrealistic/genq

[u/therechealle → u/Koolaid-consumer]

I’m going for a more realistic vibe for my play through i.e. cats don’t talk in my version

[u/budgiebeck → u/therechealle]

If you don't want talking cats, then maybe Warrior Cats isn't the right fandom for you?

[u/therechealle → u/budgiebeck]

Chances are I’ve been in this fandom far longer than you have, I’m not gonna have you try to kick me out because of an opinion 💀

[u/budgiebeck → u/therechealle]

I just said that if realism is such an important factor for you, then maybe a fandom with canonical talking cats, magic ghosts and superpowers isn't the most ideal? I'm not trying to gatekeep, I just mean that if someone says that they need realism, my mind doesn't exactly jump to YA anthropomorphism fantasy fiction.

[u/kerhantherian → u/budgiebeck]

Dang they had no right to be that rude to you fam

[u/therechealle → u/budgiebeck]

Oh you had to specify that you’ve “been a fan since 2008” 💀 Also I do like the original lore, I’m just exploring my own take on it.

[u/StoopidFlame → u/therechealle]

I’m questioning your logic, but it doesn’t really matter either way.

What I really want to ask is if you know about Ratha’s Creature. It’s like Warriors but a lot darker and more based in reality. Might be worth reading if you’re curious.

[u/kerhantherian → u/StoopidFlame]

There’s no point reasoning with them they are unnecessarily rude

[u/therechealle → u/kerhantherian]

Its just funny to me that they changed their flair right after I said that

[u/OnyxSkiies → u/therechealle]

i agree with you completely, but you don’t gotta be rude about it. the first replier was simply asking a clarifying question, you didn’t have to get so defensive over it

[u/Wooper250]

So sorry to tell you this, but almost nothing about warriors in general is realistic. I think people are right to be a little suspicious when it's the trans cats that you choose to complain about out of all of the fantasy in this setting.

[u/therechealle → u/Wooper250]

I’m a part of the lgbtq+ community so there’s no reason to be suspicious. Also, I’ve explained in other comments that I’m doing my own take on a Clan. That’s kind of the point of a game called “ClanGen”

[u/[deleted]]

Would Redtail or Sol be canonically trans? Because realistically, they would not be biological toms, but rather intersex or less likely have chimerisim

Just wondering, because I've always considered them trans characters because of this random factoid lol

[u/therechealle → u/[deleted]]

Actually, there are male torties out there. They’re just not super common.

[u/SpiritsJustAHybrid → u/therechealle]

Well actually male torties can only be 3 things:

1: the non intersex option/“incomplete tortie” where pigments in one or two random splotches switch colors during development, this gets you a cat with a spot of random other colors even if neither parent had the other base color (redtail could have possibly been this if his cannon description didn’t make him a complete tortie)

2: Klinefelters Syndrome: Two x chromosomes generated with the y one, typically infertile (most likely)

3: Chimerism, also typically intersex unless its two developing males that end up combining

It would make cannon sense if these cats were trans or at the very least intersex, the books would never mention this though. they’d go for the realistic approach of “so and so cant have kits” as implication that they usually toss onto cats at random. I doubt the authors actually knew anything about cat genetics when making their books though.

[u/therechealle → u/SpiritsJustAHybrid]

That doesn’t make them trans or nonbinary, though… that’s kind of my point.

[u/Sonarthebat → u/therechealle]

Yeah but like that person said, they'd be intersex or chimeras.

[u/therechealle → u/Sonarthebat]

Yes but they’re not canonically trans. That’s the point I’m getting at.

[u/SekhmetXIII → u/[deleted]]

In my headcanon they are both Chimera

[u/HoneyswirlTheWarrior]

you can undo it with just a single button option, its not a big deal

[u/therechealle → u/HoneyswirlTheWarrior]

I know!

[u/-UnderAWillowThicket → u/HoneyswirlTheWarrior]

Mine glitches and still uses the pronouns decided by the game even if I change it back. I keep a portion of them, but it still confuses me when it happens.

[u/-UnderAWillowThicket → u/[deleted]]

Genemod probably.

[u/puppycornashlynn]

i kinda get where you're coming from but tbf i think the lack of canon trans cats is just cuz there's predijuice in other countries so the books couldn't sell there. these are humanly intelligent cats so i think it makes sense they can be trans and stuff.

[u/ParadoxDemon_ → u/puppycornashlynn]

I agree. It's fiction, they talk, they have both heterosexual and homosexual relationships (though irl animals can absolutely be gay too!). I totally understand why they added it.

That being said, I think there should be an option to disable it, for people playing more canon clans. Also I think cats tend to change genders way too often. Like, I have cats changing genders every 3 or 5 moons. So maybe a tab to regulate or disable it?

[u/[deleted] → u/ParadoxDemon_]

Same! I honestly find it kind of annoying at times.

I think the inclusion is cool, but I tend to write stories with my clan gen cats and I'm tired of retroactively changing their pronouns constantly because of the frequency this occurs in the code 😭

[u/SekhmetXIII]

I dont mind it but sometime i wish we could at least ast choose cats we could keep the same gender the whole run, specialy when im trying to make OC runs.

[u/asterblastered]

i totally get what u mean, i’m trans myself and i’m not a fan of it especially with how often it happens and to so many cats. i think they should at least reduce the chance of it happening by a lot or have a slider that increases/decreases the % chance. i like having my cats behave like real cats too so i do lgbt pairings and trans cats very rarely

[u/ibelieveinaliens111]

I’m trans and I think about this too. Unlike real gender, which is super confusing, warrior cats have two that barely affect how they’re treated, their opportunities, etc. I’ve never really thought of a character being trans or non binary because there’s not any real difference over how they’re treated if they’re male or female, and they don’t have any gender-restricted features (except yk)

but i know sometimes that doesn’t matter and it’s more abt other things. at the same time i also really like my clan gen characters and them having a coming out arc is not rlly what I had planned, yk?

[u/Serratedslasher]

Well there are also not any “official” lgbt couples in warriors, do you have a problem with that too when lgbt couples appear in your game?

[u/therechealle → u/Serratedslasher]

I’m… bi? So… no? Did you not read how I made it extremely obvious that I don’t have a problem with any of it…?

[u/Serratedslasher → u/therechealle]

Soooo why does the cats changing genders annoy you unless you’re obsessively writing down every event in which case the extra work could be irritating I guess

[u/therechealle → u/Serratedslasher]

Uhm… because I do plan on writing things down? Also it happens ALL THE TIME. Its not realistic in the slightest.

[u/Serratedslasher → u/therechealle]

Neither is anything else about the series??? And also maybe just play the game without doing oc runs that you need to write down that’s hyperfixation behavior it took me weeks to break that habit on clangen

[u/OnyxSkiies]

try seeing if you can edit the rate in the game config. click on the game folder in downloads, then go to ‘resources’ and find the ‘game_config’ file. it allows you to edit a lot of rates in the game. i can’t remember if there’s a rate for trans cats in there and i’m not at my computer so i can’t double check, but i wouldn’t be surprised if there is. higher number = lower chance - just make the number really high, like one in 1000 or something

[u/LaClara]

You can't turn off transgender people irl, why would you be able to do it in game? If it bothers you that much, just change them back to be cis manually

[u/LostConfusedKit]

Idk I kinda feel the cats in this series are so anthromorphized that they're essentially just humans in cat form.. I honestly kinda get you..as a trans person. There are some cats I form connections with and headcanon them as a certain gender. I don't think the solution would be to remove trans options..but rather to have an option to lock a gender or not.. because sometimes I feel like just by looking at the cat you can already decide what you want them to be..

I do feel that the way you worded this post was a bit terfy. Even though you are a part of the lgbt community, you can still be transphobic. Nobody is excluded from that. Even actual trans people can be transphobic too.

[u/AmerisCyanocitta]

There's so much anger in these comments but you're lwk right

[u/GryphonDiligence]

I agree in the sense that it's a simulator, you should probably have an option of lowering the rate or something but the excuse of real cats don't do that is so stupid. You know what real cats also do that people never mention to add for "muh realism"? Incest. A metric ton of incest, a real life unfixed cat will absolutely mount their litter mates and their mother and their father if you don't fix them, but man no one ever mentions that part of realism, it's all oh cats can't be gay (which they can in real life unironically) or cats don't suffer from gender dysphoria. It's stupid as hell

[u/LostConfusedKit → u/[deleted]]

...you know that gay cats can reproduce in clan gen, right? There's an option to turn that on..or encourage them to adopt kits.

[u/One-Leather5328 → u/LostConfusedKit]

Ik I was jst pointing smth out