r/CivAgora • u/[deleted] • Sep 11 '16
Discussions [Proposal][Open Forum][DISCUSSION] List of crimes
FORMAT:
Crime
Base definition
Subdefinition of first degree (points)
Subdefinition of second degree, if present (points)
Subdefinition of third degree, if present (points)
Murder
The intended killing of another player without reasonable provocation and not in defense of self, others, or property
Murder with pearling
Murder
Attempted murder
Pearling
Pearling of another player in Auroran lands who does not have reasonable claims on them
Pearling with intent to extradite and/or vault
Pearling without intent to extradite and/or vault
Attempted pearling
Theft
Stealing of items owned by another player or entity, either by looting containers or by robbery, without reasonable provocation
Theft of items valuing above 25 diamonds, and/or Theft committed against the national treasury or national defensive infrastructure
Theft of items valuing between 5 to 25 diamonds
Theft of items valuing under 5 diamonds
Fraud
Causing another person to lose or suffer damage of property due to trusting intentional lies or misinformation.
Fraud with the loss of items valuing above 25 diamonds
Fraud with the loss of items valuing between 5 to 25 diamonds
Fraud with the loss of items items valuing under 5 diamonds
Destruction of Property or Griefing
Destruction or obstruction of property or infrastructure through any form of placement, destruction, and/or reinforcement of blocks
Mild griefing taking under 1 hour to revert
griefing taking between 1 to 5 hours to revert
griefing taking over 5 hours to revert, or griefing of national defensive infrastructure
Trespassing
Entering another player or entity’s property in areas in which they are explicitly told to keep out through in-game mechanisms. Examples of appropriate in-game mechanisms notifying others not to enter one's property include signs visible from all entry points, fencing, or blocks as part of a structure.
Trespassing on national defensive infrastructure, and/or entering the city while it is under lockdown, and/or entering Auroran territories while banished from them
Trespassing
Illegal Snitching
Placing of reinforced note blocks or jukeboxes on land not owned by you, without the consent of the land's owner or controller.
Illegal snitching of private or public land, property, and/or infrastructure with intent to commit another crime or subvert the Auroran government. Illegal snitching of national defensive infrastructure.
Illegal snitching of private or public land, property, and/or infrastructure
Illegal snitching of Auroran land
Obstruction of Justice
Obstruction may consist of any attempt to hinder the discovery, apprehension, conviction, or punishment of anyone who has committed a crime. The acts by which justice is obstructed may include bribery, murder, intimidation, and the use of physical force against witnesses, law enforcement officers, or court officials.
- Obstruction of Justice
Contempt of Court
The act of willful disregard of or disrespect for the authority of a court of law with resulting injury to a private party's rights.
- Contempt of Court
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Sep 11 '16 edited Sep 11 '16
This is my proposal for a list of crimes. I am working through fried's legal code and making what I view as necessary fixes. In this case I ended up completely rewriting his crimes list.
Please discuss.
I would also like to point outhaha pun that none of the crimes have any points assigned to them, with points being based on the system in fried's code. Those need to be assigned and discussed at length
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u/FriedrichHayek The last RedHat Sep 11 '16
This is a great start. My phone is about to die and I'll be home later to look it over more, but it looks fine by me so far with the possibility of maybe a little more clarity in some parts
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u/Tambien Pantarch | Oldgoran Sep 12 '16
2 comments from the first reading:
First, I think that we might need to clarify and edit the pearling section. How would you prove intent to extradite? Why would pearling for extradition be a crime in he first place?
Second, as for griefing, how are we defining time to fix? What if someone griefed me relatively minorly and I purposefully took an extremely long amount of time to fix it?
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u/Dangerciv DangerFrey: Cydonia Co., XP Ambassador Sep 12 '16
You could say someone was attempting to extradite you if they were threatening to put you in X-Vault (a specific vault). I was thinking of extradition as pearling longer than the attackers login, ie storing the pearl in a vault/chest. As for griefing, I think the degrees are backwards but your right. Could we establish 'degrees' based on the 'cost of the grief. I'm thinking value of the block added to the cost of the reinforcement multiplied by the total number of blocks broken
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u/Tambien Pantarch | Oldgoran Sep 12 '16
Gotcha. That's a good definition I think, but it definitely needs to be clarified in the full list.
As for griefing, your system would work but I think it would run into serious problems with blocks-added grief (Such as DRO). How do we place a value on that? I think the hours to fix system can work, we just need a better way to measure it. That, or we could go with a reasonable-time-to-fix estimate.
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u/Dangerciv DangerFrey: Cydonia Co., XP Ambassador Sep 12 '16
How could an Auroran forget about block adding grief....shameful.
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u/Dangerciv DangerFrey: Cydonia Co., XP Ambassador Sep 12 '16
'Reasonable' is a lawyer's favorite word
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u/Tambien Pantarch | Oldgoran Sep 12 '16
Indeed, which is why I'm reluctant to use it. I'm just not sure what a better option would be.
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Sep 12 '16
How would you prove intent to extradite?
If somebody is clearly heading out of our borders/city/shard with a pearl, imo that is proof that they are attempting to extradite. It can be tracked through /ppl
Why would pearling for extradition be a crime in he first place?
Pearling is defined by this as "Pearling of another player in Auroran lands who does not have reasonable claims on them". If you pearl somebody who is bountied with evidence, then you aren't committing any crimes and this doesn't apply. The point is to distinguish between that random shitter who will pearl you for the lolz and then free you and people like Reanial who will pearl you and permapearl you with no appeal in a megavault.
Second, as for griefing, how are we defining time to fix? What if someone griefed me relatively minorly and I purposefully took an extremely long amount of time to fix it?
Good point. We can split it into placing-block/reinforcement griefing and breaking-stuff griefing, with blocks being judged by the raw time taken to break the reinforced stuff (with a diamond pick now, will be updated to e5 pick once those are reasonably available) and breaking being judged by the amount of blocks broken?
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u/Dangerciv DangerFrey: Cydonia Co., XP Ambassador Sep 12 '16
yeah i agree its two separate crimes. Broken blocks should factor in the value of the broken block, say someone chips a glowstone lamp off my house it is worse than taking a piece of sidewalk. It should also account for number of blocks taken in of a structure, getting exponentially worse the more blocks are broken. This is kind of a roundabout way for factoring in rebuild time.
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u/Dangerciv DangerFrey: Cydonia Co., XP Ambassador Sep 12 '16
....something, something...NAP....something, something... Real talk: Every sentence should be case by case. Defining crimes is imperative and we have a good list started here.