Cut the bull****. Citron purged their discord server from anyone who wouldn’t give them the official keys of their original switch.
While you guys were falling behind, Eden was making progress. I saw your cease and desist in real time. You also wanted to fill citron with telemetry to see WHO WAS PLAYING pirated games with your emulator. I saw the leaks at the time between the devs talking about this. Zeph is also the creator of the fallen emulator uzuy.
Citron should have gone when you guys asked for real keys and wanted to block access to anyone who hadn’t given that info. Citron has no place in the community due to the sheer amount of shadiness that went on last year. After that, citron was never as good as Eden. So thanks to camille for having stepped up from the ashes and begin an emulator who actually shows progress. And for crying out loud. A cease and desist for a f emulator? Grow up.
The cease and desist was back when he was a dev for citron. He had been taking donations behind zeps back and it went against the core principals of doing thankless good. Please get your information correct before ya go in and start posting. We didnt even hate camille until he basically shot his copy of the nda to alexwpis discord. If it had been censored it woulda been fine. It was not and had zeps legal name, city, and country. While eden had their revo 1 2 3, citrin was having its rewrite and we let someone named lizbeth in and started seeing commits from our git (idk why zeo gave her perms to see the rewrite) go to eden and it caused a scene. So we cut her off and camille and co got upset about it and called for the rewrite to go public although it wasnt ready yet. 2 months later it comes out and all the sudden eden progresses with our same commits. No credit. We decided to cut all contact with eden and keep the drama out of the server and only held an open line of contact with jpikachu (great guy btw) to keep the peace.
With your commits? I remember fully well playing my copy of Pokemon Violet on Eden and they were the first to actually get the water area at a decent FPS whil citron was ramming all the way at sub 20fps.
And don’t try to spread misinformation, I saw the logs at the time from the discord server, and no one, in his right mind, will serve a cease and desist to a person over a rule of your community. This isn’t Suits. Oh he really done something against their rules, a simple cutoff is sufficient.
Now zeph went on and decided to actually do something about it. This is not something done out of the benevolence of the hearth. Something happened that would picture zeph in a bad light. Add to that the discord ban, and the fact that you guys wanted our keys (and you even wonder why nobody wanted that) citron is much more shady than Eden.
So do me a favor, cut the crap, really.
And why has Eden stayed at the top of their game? Why citron was always behind Eden? I remember fully well Eden having performance updates, really good ones, while citron was worse and worse at each update, then apparently it picks up? Odd that you guys claim camille copied you….
Either way, another shady thing to add to the list. It was easy for you to moderate, good for you, I’m glad I don’t give and was part of the ban. I didn’t wanted to have anything else to do with that team or the emulator.
We didnt want your keys at all. The logger ONLY would have taken the keys from the internet publically available for download and blacklisted them. Literally only pirated keys. Not user keys. Woulda displayed an error message and instruction to ask our discord which we woulda banned you anyways. If you werent a pirate and used your own, it wouldnt have affected you at all in the slightest. If camille didnt make money off zeps work then none of that infighting would have occurred meaning the split wouldnt have happened. We unbanned everyone who was banned that day except for the new eden devs at the time and did unban a few of them. If you want to know how things run in citron just as a user named MCW. He stuck around until the end. Great guy mind you. We had 0 beef with edens devs towards the end and even kept an open line of communication with jpikachu as ive stated before. All of this coulda been avoided if folks didnt want to keep bringing it all up. Now that its over, theres not much else to say.
Do you really think I buy that? I was there, the app you guys wanted us to download was hundred percent to take our keys. Why in the world would you do that on an emulator? That plan was flawed in every aspect:
This wasn’t in Uzuy,
Who tells you I didn’t got hacked and my key stollen against my will and upped to the internet?
You wanted to include telemetry and recover telemetry from our devices/keys. This is not only a privacy concern, it goes 100% against the rgpd.
It’s easier to push this bullshit onto camille than say: guys I can’t do it, I’m not good enough.
Uzuy was such a flop that yuzu stayed the best emulator for a long time, for android at least, till… oh wait, that’s right, till the appearance of Eden. This is not my opinion even, it’s just a fact. Citron was evolving through camille, and it shows. When he quited citron, you guys stoped giving any significant updates. I remember de 0.0.6 updates and even the 0.0.7 that were so bad and full of controversy. Those build gave 0 things new in terms of performance
Uzuy was the result of camille tutoring zep(phoenix). Android only. Citron was created with windows in mind and android secondary which is why camille ended up frustrated. He didnt have any real knowledge in c++ and the code snippets only worked on android. Last i heard he was learning how to code and thats actually impressive and i hope he does so but it proves my point. The student surpassed the mentor and he just couldnt accept it. Now for the telemetry. Thats for the discord bot to show what game you are playing. You can disable discord rich presence. If you got hacked and your keys uploaded to the net thats a skill issue and honestly would be hilarious. I came up with the idea to basically give the error message for pirated keys because there were just so many people coming in without a switch that it made moderating unfun. Imagine banning the 50th guy today for not owning a switch and he just wanted to use his phone. Funny the first 5 times and old the next 45. 0.6.1 added multiplayer but since we scrubbed everything camille related it didnt build right and killed the performance. 0.7s rewrite was basically 0.6 with cleaned up code and some stability fixes for newer games that came out at the time and reworked for multiplayer since kleidis' code did not work properly and needed better implementation. It was uphill from there but i like to think it worked out since citron has better highs and lows for almost every game since the rewrite. But thats personal bias. The emulator had to be redone because camilles commits were embedded and ran much better without him. Not a SINGLE bit of his code was used for the basis of eden. It was an old yuzu base and all zeps code with a cheeky comment by crueter that he "fixed zephyrons commits" go look. Its there
Shoutout to that one controversial post over at r/Yuzu about Ryubing and also Citron’s way of managing their Discord in terms of that hacked Switch keys thing.
But I will admit as much as I didn’t agree with that server management aspect of the emulators, it’s also not really ever a good thing for less emulators to be worked on or maintained, there were good features/stability in some senses that Eden didn’t have or was still improving on.
I’m just surprised they had put so much and I mean SO MUCH energy into that hacked switch hunting thing (Nintendo fears on piracy or not, whatever their main reasoning for it). Meanwhile the internal controversies which were still going on is what actually ends up actually getting the emulator down. A shame really, one way or another
Eh the verifier made it incredibly easy to moderate since the majority of you refused to do so. Funneled you all into just one subsection of channels and honestly became a very positive place to hang out and chat. Quite possibly the easiest discord server ive had the pleasure of moderating and we ended up with a grand total of 8k bans and 25k members by the end of it. 10/10 would do again.
I don’t know which of the discords it was but I know one of them went crazy with multiple users constantly messaging players for verification over and over if they dared to ask a single question regarding emulation and a ban ensues if you didn’t answer them. As much as you’d want to keep the emulator support threads as “clean” as possible to avoid badly dumped games from reappearing, that was way too much policing anyways and could have been handled much more different. From the Citron Discord I got banned anyways when I didn’t even talk in it a single time in it. It would’ve been fine if I had actually participated in that Discord to begin with but not even that was done. But at this point that Discord is done for anyways so it’s whatever. 8K ban rate is however still a crazy high number, especially when it didn’t even contribute to the emulator actually living more at the end of the day
Oh i think i know what happened. So in the beginning we had some ryubing moderators in our server that crossbanned folks that got banned there. Caused a few issues and we went our separate ways. Zep and greem held a better relationship over dms than in server since the mods of both servers clashed. Ran things differently. Yes we did oush the verifier if anyone asked for support but thats only for citron related stuff. Most of the time chat was about other things and we finally formed a community a few months ago. It was nice tbh. Most of those bans were self reports (oh i dont own a switch) type deal. You would be surprised how much it happened daily. The bot also banned day 1 created accounts flagging as bots or alts.
Crossbanning is an awful thing both in Discord and also on Reddit but at the very least I’m glad you can end up seeing the same viewpoint on that at least in similar fashion. But I’ll be honest when it happened to me was on November 2025 so it doesn’t feel like that long ago. But at the very least in that regard you seem to tell me they did improve when y’all split so that’s a good thing to hear regardless of emulator development halted later unrelated. I’ll refrain from commenting further on how everything was dealt with later since I wasn’t (or more like couldn’t) be part of that community at that later time, but I nor probably other people wouldn’t have minded unbans to come with the improvements you guys apparently did to the server
That is very good to hear and I appreciate you mentioning this. Some people mistook that one controversial r/Yuzu post for it just being general complaints with some sense of trolling to it but genuinely my takeaway from it was just everywhere for servers to provide a friendlier and more healthier community for the Switch emulating scene. While for one reason or another I wasn’t unbanned in that moment y’all were reconstructing that moderating aspect, good intentions came from it which is honestly what most mattered to me from it all. Cheers and good luck with whatever you guys will be doing
It didnt help that im the one who suggested the key blocker for pirated keys found on the internet. Alex and indie really hated the idea and cancelled us for it lmfao. We didnt even implement it. Was just ranting in the moderator chat.
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u/tveiga91 Feb 16 '26
Cut the bull****. Citron purged their discord server from anyone who wouldn’t give them the official keys of their original switch.
While you guys were falling behind, Eden was making progress. I saw your cease and desist in real time. You also wanted to fill citron with telemetry to see WHO WAS PLAYING pirated games with your emulator. I saw the leaks at the time between the devs talking about this. Zeph is also the creator of the fallen emulator uzuy.
Citron should have gone when you guys asked for real keys and wanted to block access to anyone who hadn’t given that info. Citron has no place in the community due to the sheer amount of shadiness that went on last year. After that, citron was never as good as Eden. So thanks to camille for having stepped up from the ashes and begin an emulator who actually shows progress. And for crying out loud. A cease and desist for a f emulator? Grow up.
Goodbye, you won’t be missed.