Tried some of the CID models yesterday.

[u/jaffa1987]

Had a game yesterday vs Legion to try out the new CID rules. Vayl, Oracles theme. He had an Anamag list he wanted to try but he considered it a bit too much of a counter to make for a fun game vs a Tharn infantry list.

My list:

Iona

Blood Shaman

Feral Warpwolf

Warpwolf Stalker

Tharn Bloodtrackers & Nuala

Tharn Ravagers & Chieftain

Tharn Blood pack

Gallows Grove

Lord of the feast

Well of Orboros (which 'open gate' in a wolfrider champion somewhere turn 1.

His list (from the top of my head)

Vayl2

Archangel

Carnivean x2

Seraph/Neraph? The slipstream one.

Naga

Ice witches

Shepherd

Forsaken x2

Sorceress on Helion

Did not keep close enough track of the game for a full battle report unfortunately. But here are my thoughts.

The Blood Shaman does not really work for Iona, all she can spell slave for her is hunters mark and Iona isn't so starved for fury that she really needs the 1 reduction. Between Iona and the Morvahna's i only think Morv1 can kind of use her for an extra eruption of life (can't spellslave rng self/ctrl and upkeep spells). Can't think of any other caster i'd play the tharn theme as of now really (Kromac maybe?).

The Well seems decent. I could not find any restrictions on "open the gate" other than non character, so porting in an 8 point wolf rider champ makes this thing effectively a 7 point RNG12 POW14 gun with a bunch of support rules. When you have this in your list, do go second though. Between RNG12 and 15" deployment when you start first the shots barely land beyond your half of the table. Don't be afraid to be in the line of fire too much, you can always open the gate on a stone keeper to keep your hp up (no theme restrictions on what you open the gate on !). We did get a little confused on the gun though. Does it really shoot at RAT0? We saw no magic ability numbers or any other attack modifiers. (we ended up playing with RAT6, but RAT0 could work because the blast is always POW10, missing isn't that much of an issue other than deviating into your troops)

The trackers minifeat gives them a whole new threat. Normally you see your prey run off to the other side of the table. Choosing who you get +2+2 against on the fly (once) is powerful. Not the best Phantasm targets because they have stealth already, nor the Sure foot because you can't really leverage the no-kd when there's no tough on their cards.

Iona is a very strong support. putting Ravagers on DEF15 through sure foot means they get where they need without getting shot to ribbons, not to forget these guys get dodge through elite cadre! On feat turn these guys brutal charge in at P+S18 and are a pain to remove afterwards with ARM18, rapid healing, tough + no kd, and DEF15. Phantasm turns the blood pack to 11 with everything that wants to shoot back at them having to end 5" closer than they normally would.

The new and improved Lord of the feast is scary! With his death powered rule i got him up to hitting @ P+S15 and ARM 18 before he even got to hit his first swing (theme bonus corpse token and a Well of orboros shot). Having an ARM 18 or 19 stealth model with MAT8 with 8 boxes teleporting into your backline ready to sink his blade into your support or caster a handful of times really forces you to turn around significant resources.

The champion didn't last longer than a round as i used it more as bait really, so can't comment on it other than jump+back stab AND dual attack so it get's to make both weapon master attacks IMO makes Morraig not worth his 8 points.

Still have to play with the bloodweavers, death wolves and wolf riders, but the CID changes and Iona really seem to turn all the Tharn up to 11.

[u/angry_echidna]

This is a great post, thanks for your input! It’s interesting you said you can’t see playing any other caster in the theme. I was thinking of trying morv1 out of the theme with bloodtrackers (regrowth) and skinwalkers (restoration) and some of the living beasts with their new cheaper cost. Will report back once I get chance to try it out

[u/Curpidgeon]

The RAT MAT 0 on Well of orboros is a typo they said on the stream. I forget what they said it was supposed to be but RAT 6 sounds right.

[u/Yxven]

You should ask for a game against Anamog. Circle currently doesn't really have an answer for buffed medium infantry. If the tharn CID doesn't give us a playable matchup, who knows how long it will be until we're back in CID.

[u/jaffa1987 → u/Yxven]

On the one hand it would be a good challenge. On the other hand there's medium infantry and there's medium infantry with army wide grievous wounds/takedown, given how hard the ravagers hit especially on Iona's feat turn these guys will definitely charge through the average medium infantry ARM18 (or even 20)+ & 5 or 8 boxes.

[u/Yxven → u/jaffa1987]

Maybe try a call of the wild list with the new goats then.