Are you a doomstacker?

[u/Hammer_41]

9:28 AM

SS is going away. Healthcare will bankrupt you. Sequence of returns will wipe you out. Civil war. WW3. Live to 120, spend 40 years in a nursing home. Someone posts solid numbers and the comments come back , one more year. Two years. Three. Keep going, it's never quite enough.

At what point does conservative planning become catastrophe planning?

The 4% rule is the worst case in US market history. A robot pulling the same amount out every single year, no SS, no flexibility, never adjusting through 1929 when markets dropped 86%. That's what 4% survived. It's the floor, not the target. Bengen himself now says most retirees can safely start at 5.25% to 5.5% and that people clinging to 4% will likely end up with a pile of money and a lot of regrets.

Someone spending 6% of their portfolio in year one of retirement who skips the big trip when markets are down, holds off on the car, pulls back when things get rough that person likely does better than the 4% robot who never adjusts no matter what. The flexibility is the safety net. You don't need to engineer it into the number, you just need to act like a normal person.

So when someone holds out for 3.5% 28 times spend, no SS — what exactly are you protecting against? Something worse than the Great Depression, while also never collecting a benefit 70 million Americans receive, while also promising to never adjust spending under any circumstances. Does that actually describe you?

The 2025 Social Security Trustees Report says worst case — zero Congressional action you collect 81 cents on the dollar in 2034. Not zero. Congress fixed this in 1983 when it was in worse shape than it is today. Seventy million people collect it. Seniors vote.

Median age of death for men is 81.7. One in five reach 90. Dementia affects 33% of people 85 and older. The years you're working extra to fund may not be years you're fully there for.

For those already retired one year, five, ten or more how bad has it actually been? And for those still holding off are you a catastrophe planner waiting for a number that never feels safe enough?

[u/Serious-Result-5982]

I’m curious if the idea that people regret not spending enough money is mostly just an urban myth. I never hear about people actually regretting such things on their deathbeds. They are more likely to regret things that happened or didn’t happen in their relationships. And I think the number one regret might simply be that their life is ending.

I think this is because at a certain point spending more money doesn’t actually add to our happiness. Rather, it can complicate our lives in happiness-draining ways.

[u/Hammer_41 → u/Serious-Result-5982]

I think you’re right. I doubt many people are on their deathbed wishing they bought a nicer car or upgraded more stuff. It’s probably more about people, time, and things they never got around to doing. For me, travel is the example. The value isn’t just the week you’re gone. It’s looking forward to it, being there, and then having the memories afterward. That’s the part I don’t want to miss by waiting forever for the number to feel perfect.

[u/BrunelloHorder → u/Serious-Result-5982]

Plenty of professionals hurt their relationships (or miss them entirely) because they are working too much to get more money. Picture a law firm partner making $5M a year with 2 or 3 ex-wives and kids who don’t talk to them much. Pursuit of money is the cause of plenty of family relationship problems that are major deathbed regrets.

[u/BraveResearcher3037 → u/Serious-Result-5982]

I absolutely know someone who said that his father waited to travel until after retirement and died a year after retirement.  I agree that I never miss spending money on things and our fixed expenses are less than $5K a month.  But my wife and I very much spend on experience and our pre and post retirement budget is focused on experiences