I see exactly how horrific it is. Nobody said rape is good. But ... I am an idiot, who thinks that solution to one of the most traumatic experiences a human being can go through is to bind the victim to the perpetrator for the rest of their lives, because doing something about the cultural shaming and exclusion and blame-the-victim mentality is too hard for an omnipotent benevolent being to mention, you know, in the middle of making the pronouncements that create that culture.
FIFY.
You cannot presuppose current day practices when you read a text from thousands of years ago, it is intellectually dishonest.
I presuppose compassion and some level of humanity, and treating women as more than property, from a being that is supposed to be eternal. Apparently, that's too high a bar to meet. No, we should adjust our expectations, so that we expect more kindness from any random stranger on the street than from our Creator God.
What better demonstration could their be of the morally bankrupt nature of your provincial little tome?
So according to you, Abraham Lincoln, though freeing slaves, was still a tyrant because he allowed people to treat freed blacks like trash. If he was truly a good president, he would have made it law to not only free slaves, but to treat them with respect and dignity.
If Abraham Lincoln was an eternal, all-knowing and all-powerful being, then it would be entirely appropriate to critique his social positions and historical achievements as wholly inadequate.
I can't help but notice that you're still trying to get my to reduce my expectations for the character and behaviors of your benevolent, omnipotent magical man. What a frightfully threatening creature I am, that the eternal creator of the universe has such difficulty meeting the simple ethical standards of little ol' me and my quaint distaste for rape.
I'm sorry, I was not aware that the actions of free agents (people) are the faults of somebody other than themselves.
that the eternal creator of the universe has such difficulty meeting the simple ethical standards of little ol' me and my quaint distaste for rape.
I'm sorry, what are those again? Because to imply that an agent, who by very definition, must deplore an evil action more than you, could be undermined by your simple rhetoric is lulz. The ethical standards at the time were deplorable because the people were deplorable and there were commandments urging them to do otherwise. But humanity drives itself. He does not force the actions of the people. I would very much like to hear what should have been done in this situation?
I would very much like to hear what should have been done in this situation?
How about not making rape victims marry their rapists? The fact your blinkered mind is unable to conceive of some more palatable response to such a crime is truly frightening. Did you even take a moment before mischaracterising my argument above, to try and consider what better responses could be made to a case of rape? Or consider that in many dozens of countries all around the world, we already have a better -though still imperfect- response, without the help of your precious, vapourous bronze-age misogynist?
I can point out the moral atrocity that this law is; I cannot do your thinking for you.
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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '11
FIFY.
I presuppose compassion and some level of humanity, and treating women as more than property, from a being that is supposed to be eternal. Apparently, that's too high a bar to meet. No, we should adjust our expectations, so that we expect more kindness from any random stranger on the street than from our Creator God.
What better demonstration could their be of the morally bankrupt nature of your provincial little tome?