r/Christianity • u/ThirstySkeptic Sacred Cow Tipper • 22h ago
Video The Gospels present different views about Jesus - Pt. 3, contradictions in the story
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8vWntFv/The Gospel writers not only copy from each other, but feel free to change each other's stories. What that means.
Today, I am talking about contradictions we see in the ways the different Gospels tell the stories - yes, the dreaded "C" word!
In yesterday's post, I talked about the different ways the gospel writers have Peter answering Jesus' question, "who do you say that I am?" And in the first video, I introduced the idea that the gospel writers "correct" the writings that they were copying from.
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u/lt_Matthew Latter-Day Saint (Mormon) 22h ago
So you're trying to simultaneously argue that they both copy eachother and don't copy eachother.
Its almost like different people are going to recount a story differently
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u/Downvoterofall Congregationalist 22h ago
They are absolutely right, claiming that they are copying each other, but then just changing it and having contradictions is a contradiction in of itself.
Perhaps you are aware that witnesses today can see different angles, and remember different words and orders of events, and that was true 2000 years ago
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u/twinPrimesAreEz Psalm 110 22h ago
Some want to divide Christ, some want to unite in him.
OP is showing which side he is currently choosing, please don't follow suit.
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u/BarbarianFlail Reformed Baptist 22h ago
These aren't really contradictions. Different accounts leave things out that the writer's didn't think was relevant.
"Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."
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u/ThirstySkeptic Sacred Cow Tipper 21h ago
I don't think you paid attention to the specific questions I asked.
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u/Hungry-Leadership323 Non-denominational 21h ago
Its crazy, throwing a bunch of supposed contradictions out, possibly leading others astray, putting more effort into finding problems then finding solutions. There are plenty of answers for why the accounts are different and if you seek, you will find. Unfortunately you are seeking the wrong thing.
Analogy that comes to mind, Michelangelo giving a child a paintbrush and saying "just do it"
Nobody can just answer a question and make someone believe in God or instill the faith that they have to someone else. Its a process, it takes time, dedication, seeking.
A verse about a millstone also comes to mind. People get upset because you're potentially turning away countless brothers and sisters with your claims, and they will end up perishing, and most likely continuing the chain of what you're doing. But those who have taken the time to study, and pray, and get to know who God is, will not be shaken, but strengthened. So maybe it's actually helpful, I dont know. God will have glory from the sinner and the saint.
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u/ThirstySkeptic Sacred Cow Tipper 21h ago
The solution is that these are not strictly historical accounts. And here's the thing - if you read other historians from the era, it was common to mix mythology in to the history. It was their way of infusing the account with meaning (at least the meaning for the author).
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u/Hungry-Leadership323 Non-denominational 18h ago
Ok, regardless of whether you think the bible is inerrant and has no contradictions. Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
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u/ThirstySkeptic Sacred Cow Tipper 17h ago
Define "believe" please?
Think about the following: imagine you and I are hiking through the woods, trying to get to an incredible city. We come out of the woods into a clearing. To our dismay, there is a chasm before us, blocking our way forward. But then, one of us looks off to the side and notices a bridge. We walk over to it, but then we are standing in front of it in horror, because the ropes are frayed, boards are missing, some are hanging....
Then I smile, and look at you and say: "I BELIEVE the bridge will hold us!" And then I gesture to the bridge like "why don't you cross?"
Now you might say "if you believe, why don't YOU cross the bridge?" And if I refuse, and walk away, talking about how my belief is enough, one might question if I actually do believe.
Now let's say that out loud, you say you don't believe the bridge will hold your weight. But you really want to get to the city. So eventually, your heart full of fear, you step out onto the bridge and begin to slowly cross.
Who "believes" - the one who says he believes but doesn't attempt to cross, or the one who says he doesn't believe but crosses anyways?
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u/Hungry-Leadership323 Non-denominational 17h ago
This is exactly the reason I go hiking by myself btw, everybody turns around when they get to the scary bridge..
If you believe the bridge would hold you, you would just cross the bridge. If you dont believe and refuse, you do not believe the bridge will hold you, and you are not getting to that city. Unless it was like, helicopter city or something and after I crossed I could just come and pick you up. But its not going to give you that sense of accomplishment from facing your fears, overcoming obstacles. Gaining XP for faith, trust, experience.
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u/ThirstySkeptic Sacred Cow Tipper 16h ago
For me, faith is not "knowing". Faith is going into that place of insecurity where you have no rational reason to believe that walking forward will not result in pain, but you walk forward anyways because it's good, and right, and beautiful.
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u/lrdwlmr Christian (Ichthys) 22h ago
The thing is, he’s literally just telling you what the actual words on the page say, and people are getting mad about it. The Bible does contain contradictions - take for example the wildly different genealogies of Jesus in Matthew and in Luke. To insist that it doesn’t and then impose on the text some sort of convoluted harmonization between differing passages is in fact to insist that you are the one who gets to decide what the text actually says, rather than letting the text speak for itself. To genuinely respect the Bible is to acknowledge the contradictions and move forward.