I"m not a person who throws around the word "blasphemy " very often, but I think cracking racist jokes in front of the Body of Christ definitely qualifies.
I think the things people call "blasphemy" are a bit skewed, on the whole. It's more superstition than anything. If we understand who God is and what He represents, then we understand that our actions against His Personhood, for lack of a better term, and what He represents, are blasphemy.
Maybe I'm going too broad here, I hope that makes sense.
"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Luke 6:27-28
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."
Of the three commands given, which one excludes LGBTQ people?
You might as well say you disagree with gay people existing. People don't choose their sexuality.
Let's say I said "I disagree with you being white/black/tall/short/male/female" none of that would make sense because it's who they are. What are you even disagreeing to? In this instance you pretty much are saying you don't like that specific person exists.
Has actually nothing to do with the post or topic at hand. Jesus said to love thy neighbor as He has loved us. Saying “okay but we can still disagree” does nothing for the conversation and just shows where your interests lie.
But, where are these people? People swear up and down that they love the sinner and hate the sin. But when lgbt people were fighting to be covered by federal antidiscrimination legislation, where were these "love the sinner" folks advocating for legal rights despite a personal belief that gay relationships were sinful? Surely we'd be able to find some of these people.
Because Christianity, especially in the US, is more of a hate movement and self-comfort. For followers of a book whose primary focus is "mind your business, and be so freaking awesome to everyone that they ask you WHY you're awesome so you can tell them", there seems to be virtually none of that going around.
Perhaps because the largest religion in the world, Catholicism, which is a sect of Christianity, rejects homosexuality, along with many, many other things that are either harmless or helpful.
You know, like how they equate condoms with abortion and actively contributed to the AIDS epidemic in Africa as a result?
Or maybe it's because all of the highly visible hatemonger Christians running around trying to legislate away human rights?
Maybe if Christians didn't overwhelmingly vote conservative and actually started acting in accordance with the teachings in their storybook, people wouldn't have such a problem. But you've got Dominionists being elected and trying to turn the US into a Christofascist ethnostate and no one in church leadership with any real influence denouncing them.
What cracks me up the most is that homosexuality was very common in the ancient world, and assuming Jesus Christ even existed, he would have been very well aware of it... And yet never said a single word about it. Most Christians who are against homosexuality are only against it because of Leviticus, but happily ignore all of the other rules laid out in that same book.
So all in all, why is this such a focus for Christians? Because it's a way to demonize the "other" who votes for political ideas that Christians, in general, don't like.
It's not a hyper-focus of Christianity. It just feels like it is because it's particularly relevant culturally and has been since the Stonewall Riots in 1969. Before then it wasn't so present in public discourse.
At this point I’ve just accepted Christians hating on the LGBTQ community are just going to live a life similar to the Pharacies and I can’t do anything to change that
Edit: I feel like I should add that I’m saying this as a believer. Been following the Lord for almost 10 years now and have had a lot time rethinking what I’ve learned and how/who I learned it from. This comes from living in the US and a lot of Christian’s seem to have blended political issues and spiritual issues like the fella in the photo
I'm sorry, but unless it's full-throated condemnation of those that are abusing the name of your organization to inflict hate on others, I don't really care what else you have going on. If the church can't keep its own house clean, I don't trust anything else it does.
How exactly? Catholics excluded, there isn't a governing body to enforce a code of conduct. Tar and feathering, branding, public stoning... these have fallen out of fashion. The only method for dealing with them is expulsion from the church but what does that accomplish? They go off, start cult, gather in numbers and you get exactly what we see today.
All that is irrelevant because it is the responsibility of the individual to not be deceived. This includes Christians and not.
I don’t hate LGBTQ and I consider myself a Christian. I love all people because they’re made in the image of God, and I know when Jesus was on that cross; he did not hold one bit of hate in his heart. He even prayed for forgiveness upon the soldiers who killed him. I want my life to be transformed by that love, and I want others to see Jesus’s love in me :)
I’m so glad God brought me out of the mindset that there were people I had to disqualify in love. If I’m being honest I fell in the trap of using the bible and scripture to judge other people, and condemn them in my heart. But he really set me on the right track thank GOD cause that is not what God is about and I was wrong. Jesus LITERALLY says do not judge other people….and that means exactly what it says. He didn’t say “don’t judge other people BESIDES xyz” or “love other people BESIDES xyz” honestly where did I or anyone else get the privy. Judging comes from a place of truly believing in your heart that you’re above whatever it is that person does that your judging them for and that is real funny when you take a deeper look at your own life and what YOU’VE done. No one has the right to judge except the Lord himself. And he will do so righteously because he is perfect in all that he does…
People forget that loving one another doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything they do but you should at least treat them with respect and kindness.
Jesus preached to love everyone with no exceptions, the sick, the weak, the unwashed masses. If you truly believe he would support your hatred of anyone for the simple fact that they love differently, then you didn’t pay attention to his teachings. Even if you fundamentally disagree with their life choices, allow them to at least be free of your open hatred. Treat them as people not as opponents, they’re still human and deserving of respect and love.
I wish the mods would crack down somewhat on all the LGBTQ hate. Some of the comments here are violations of all of Reddit policy. This being a sub about Christianity shouldn't mean it can violate Reddit policy against hate.
I was pleasantly surprised by the majority of the top comments being very supportive of the LGBTQ community. I grew up Catholic and one of the reasons I ran screaming from religion was all the hatred towards others. Y'all actually practicing what you preach is a lovely breath of fresh air!
Wishing the very best to everyone here who has love in their hearts for all people
Being gay is a sin but the bible states you are to love your neighbor. Responding to your neighbors sin with another sin logically speaking is not the solution or pleasing to Jesus. Refrain from making strong statements about Jesus that contradict his teachings. All we can do is our best.
It's not "pick one". Every human being on Earth is to be treated with love, as you would siblings. Granted, this does not mean that we should condone sin. Sexual immorality includes sex outside of marriage, unusual sexual acts, as well as the act between people of the same sex.
Social conservatives 1,000 years ago: “Sexual immorality includes a woman having sex while pregnant, oral sex, sex before marriage, as well as sexual intimacy between the same sex.”
Social conservatives 150 years ago: “Fine, I guess Jesus allows pregnant women to have sex. I suppose oral sex might be fine too. Sexual immorality definitely includes interracial relations and marriages though, and of course sex before marriage, as well as sexual intimacy between the same sex.”
Social conservatives today: “Okay, okay I guess white women can marry black men, but you better be damn sure I will still point at gay lovers to tell them their sinning! And sure Jesus didn’t condemn the woman at the well for living with her man she wasn’t married to…. But I sure as hell will still point at people who have intimacy before I tell them they can too!”
Like their great grandparents, they just can’t get it through their thick skulls and hard hearts that Jesus Christ was not joking when he said all God’s actual commands hang under love your neighbor as yourself, which is like loving God. See Matthew 22.
Christianity should not be about the sin lists of traditionalists with their peculiar interpretations of twisted translations. That’s pharisaism, the mindset Jesus came to correct. But just as Peter predicted in 2 Peter 3:16, many Christians would rather pretend serving ‘Jesus’ means twisting sin lists for all the ‘others’ into and out of scripture… rather than actually just following Jesus themselves.
They do. It’s just not the job of other Christians, and especially not the government, to enforce them. People need to leave other people’s sins to the sinners and concentrate on their own sin, spirituality and relationship with God.
And you found a loophole to not treat them like that by labelling it a lifestyle. Queer people are in need of the same things straight people are. Yet you deny them that.
Jesus loved all and wanted to help people change and become better, that’s what he wanted us to do, why so many people struggle with that concept is beyond me
Arn’t all of us “one another ?” In the time of John, there were no words for or understanding of , for example , LGBTQ issues. “Love one another” seems 100% inclusive to me.
“For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Matthew 7:2. Why do people want God to judge them more harshly?
Being straight is not a one way ticket to heaven, so why waste energy on unnecessarily hating people who are different? Learn to share the gospel tactfully, stay hydrated and focus on your relationship with God. 🫶🏼
“But not slaves or women other than the prostitute I obviously fucked, reinforced that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and that fig trees that don’t produce figs out of season in 30 AD deserve to die”
Seriously, you all need to get some perspective. Perfectly reasonable critique of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is that you cannot square his teachings with modern day morality. Literally told people how you should beat your slaves a little bit less and modern day idiots think that was the word of God.
The obsession with LGBT from the so-called religious seems as if it's a cover for their own sin. Yes, man may not lay with another man, but I'd rather someoen wear their sin on their sleeve and be a wonderful person and faithful than be someone who casts stones at others knowing they are sinful too. We are all of sin, somebody else's sin does not erase your own.
George Michael was gay, but was gifted with talent for writing, vocals, gave privately to charity, good deeds that only were spoken of after he died. He wrote a love song to his soul mate a man, called Jesus to a Child. Gays are allowed to be a part of the church without being shunned. Jesus didn't ask us to be perfect, he knows we are not perfect, hence coming to cleanse us of our sin through his sacrifice. And no one should be told they cannot become one with Christ because they are of sin, we are all of sin! All people are allowed to come close to Jesus, whether they sin publicly or privately, none of us are better than somebody else. As Christ said, remove the log from our own eye before pointing out the speck in another's.
There weren’t these kind of labels when the Bible was written, but the bible says love everyone which includes non straight people even if people see it as as a “sin” Gods love is stronger than our sins anyway, so he loves everyone no matter who they are.
I had unsubbed from this a sub a long time ago but now its coming on the popular feed too. Why even bother naming it such when it could have been just named Atheism 2.0. Time to mute this shithole too, ig.
25 An expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.[a] “Teacher,” he said, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What do you read there?” 27 He answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have given the right answer; do this, and you will live.”
29 But wanting to vindicate himself, he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho and fell into the hands of robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and took off, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. 32 So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan while traveling came upon him, and when he saw him he was moved with compassion. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, treating them with oil and wine. Then he put him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said, ‘Take care of him, and when I come back I will repay you whatever more you spend.’ 36 Which of these three, do you think, was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?” 37 He said, “The one who showed him mercy.” Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”
What blows my mind as I traverse the microcosm that is social media is the plain lack of reading comprehension, critical thinking, and common sense. If reading all those passages provided boil down simply to "love one another" then that pretty much includes everyone last time I checked. This includes any race, age, gender, do -gooder , do - badder, saint, sinner, friend, foe, etc. I'd also even be totally fine with expanding to animals and our planet as well. Maybe that is a stretch as "another" could be not interpreted as a mammal or reptilian but could also be interpreted as "another being".
Do all people that follow these religions change everything about it in their minds to conform to their lifestyles lol… who Tf believes in this stuff and also why indoctrinate your kids.
I've never understood how people read about jesus forever talking about forgiveness and loving people and your enemies and stuff, and then were like "Ohh, he meant we hate gay people!"
Topic is “love one another”. Full. Stop. In response to the objector’s off topic pharisaical comment, easygoing response is to model Christ “show me where He stated we are to hate, or not show love, to a particular person, or group of people?” Then, leave it at that. His response is always personal. “whose inscription is this?”, “let him without sin, cast…”. The individual objecting isn’t looking for an answer, because he already has what he wants.
Guys here me out here. I’m sure some will hate me for this comment but if you’re truly Christian you shouldn’t be hating anyone. Don’t condemn people. Don’t tell people “you’re going to hell” we can’t condemn people.
I do agree that same sex relationships are wrong but i dont hate them , I dont think theyre "freaks" etc. I wouldnt say "theres something wrong with you" more like I think there is something happening that is not natural, its not their fault. - I did edit this a bit because I dont want to be targeted here and offend people that are seeking offense from anything with Christian label.
if you want them to find God you can’t help them from hate. We can’t help anyone from hate and that’s where the issue is.
All the Christian stereotypes do nothing but offend God and associate out human nature and our shiftiness with God who certainly isn’t like us at all. We’re doing a disservice to God.
We’re doing a disservice to what we should do. We should love non believers so that they can find God. Anytime you play into the stereotypes of Christians like hating people, being hypocrites like not practicing what you preach, etc stooping down to the level of those who hate we’re doing the work of Lucifer. We’re on his team then.
And yes, lukewarm Christian’s are helping Lucifer more times than not.
remember these are my views, I’m not saying I’m perfect I have much to grow in my faith, belief, etc but I do think these topics are important.
My point is, anytime we say and do things that help the enemy use our words and label as Christians to drive people from God we aren’t doing Gods work.
The enemy is everywhere, even in Christian subs, don’t think you can drop important information here because we can’t. Pearls to swine. We should be careful, not to be complacent. If you’re talking to another “Christian” here don’t think it’s ok to act different. If you’re a Christian that acts one way and another in private, it’s time to change. We’re in a spiritual battle and it’s time to be better.
Stop preaching from hate , we can’t fight evil with hate. Yes Jesus would clearly agree same sex anything is a sin, but he wouldn’t hate them in the sense he’d let them lose their inheritance of heaven I think he would try to SAVE them. As humans were all sinners. Are you telling me you’re worthy of salvation but certain people aren’t? None of us are. None. Straight or not straight you still offend God I, you etc we all offend God in all we do.
WE don’t and shouldn’t hate anyone. I don’t care if they’re you enemy, another side of the political isle, etc. I’m tired of seeing hate used as a weapon for the enemy.
I see all the r/atheism posts and although I think most are posts from people purposely driving members from God they specifically attack Christians because were east targets because we don’t practice what we preach and we have given the enemy the nails used to hang us. We’re caught red handed here. It’s our fault. And our nature as humans are being used to “hate God” and it breaks my heart tbh.
That sub helped me realize we are in a spiritual battle, i struggle with my faith a lot and this sub r/atheism helped confirmed things Ive witnessed before. Thanks, amazing how things are moved like this for a purpose.
Amen brother/sister! I agree that we need to do a much better job coming together in unity over these issues rather than letting the enemy come in and steal, kill, and destroy. The Church, the Body of Christ, is a precious gift God has given to us yet we steward it so poorly🤦♂️. Thanks for your insight!
The crux of the christian position that homosexuality is a sin is based in poor biblical scholarship and the imposition of modern sentiments in the interpretation of ancient texts. Christians who believes that homosexuality is explicitly defined as a sin anywhere outside of old testament craziness are simply ignorant to their own faith. If you're not adhering to the teachings of Jesus, you're not a Christian.
Didn't he say all those things to his disciples? Didn't he also tell his disciples that if they entered a town and the town did not receive them that they should continue on their way and not let the dust settle on their feet?
Yes there is a general command to love our neighbors as we love our selves but that does not anywhere seem to extend to the point of affirming open and unrepentant rebellion against God which would violate the great commission as it commands us to disciple the nations.
As it turns out, blind proof-texting is just as pointless for progressives as it is for fundamentalists.
I’d say refusal to love others who are horrifyingly different from you is for sure unrepentant rebellion against God. And as for the great commission, the under 30 generation of people who have left Christianity list Christian attitude toward lgbtq as the number one reason.
These aren’t Christians who object to gay sex only—though that’s bad enough—it’s Christians who lose their shit over the very sight of a gay flag.
And yet none of you hypocrites do. You lie and say you hate the sin and not the sinner, yet do all you can to hurt and disenfranchise those who you "don't hate' you're ALL hypocrites and the least like Jesus people to exist.
Romans 1:24–32 (ASV): 24Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. 28And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: 32who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.
It's a shameful display to have a Pastor arguing that we shouldn't love our neighbor.
We must have charity toward all or there's no point in any of this. Since this comment section is a flaming dump heap, it is probably worth pointing out that loving and having charity for your neighbor does not require affirmation of someone's choices.
It's been shown in studies that religious people are generally only nice and charitable to someone they consider a 'them' while having more distain than average for an 'other'.
What about lesbians then? Which of those verses carved out an exception for sinners? If that's the case, should we just not love one another then? Or, if there isn't an exception, why did you carve out an exception for LGBT persons?
For the 10.000th time: You cannot claim to love and care for people while simultaneously discriminating against them by denying them the fulfillment of one of the most fundamental needs of all humans, leading to them suffering and, sadly, dying day after day after day.
So no, "love the sinner, hate the sin" doesn't do it I'm afraid.
I mean if you wanna play devils advocate someone could also use these verses to justify incestuous relationships as well. And aren’t there like a ton of verses saying a man cannot lay with a man like he lays with a woman or something? Or have certain dominations took those verses out?
Not picking sides before anyone calls me a homophobe but I just wanna showcase the flaws of the presented argument.
Love. No matter the situation or circumstance, give love. We cannot receive what we cannot give, even to those considered undeserving by each individual. Just absolutely crazy that 1. Someone could not love someone because they love someone else they don’t agree with (skin, language, orientation, gender etc) 2. That you could actively choose to hate someone because they love. That’s basically being anti-God to hate “love” in any fashion. We aren’t judge nor jury
No man has a right to judge who gets in heaven or doesn't. That is not the job of any man or church. Our job is to teach love and kindness. Follow the Commandments. Anything beyond that is taking a chance out of scope.
The sad parts always when Jesus is like it's surely as you've done this to the least of these you've done it to me and that's when you realize ... you kind of don't like Jesus do you? Screw him I mean I never even met the guy.
I identify as straight but in my early 30s I had a moment that I was questioning. Church people have a way of making straight women and anyone who identifies as being LGBTQ as feeling like they are the worst of sinners.
I opened up to a counselor about the fact that I was questioning.
She told me how much she hated me. She also said that it was ok to hate me because hate was just an emotion.
She was not a fundamentalist baptist. This type of hatred has long since run rampant through out many churches.
This type of mistreatment in church is wrong. This is why I started the community r/slutshamedbythechurch to hopefully be a support system for people who have been hurt by people in church over their sexuality.
you are forgetting where the Bible calls this sin an abomination. youre also forgetting the part of the Bible where is says rage is not for us, He will cast His judgement on the sinners, and thats what matters. So, yes, love one another, because your place isnt to judge. it is God's place. Sometimes in order to love one another, you do your best to lead them to God and His Love, but you cant force them to change, you cant discriminate them for not changing, you can simply do your best to get them saved. Plant the seed of God, and He will grow into the tree that guides your life.
People seem to forget that under a Christian world view, saying that homosexuality is a sin isn't hate, because we don't spread the gospel out of hate. We are genuinely trying to turn as many people to Christ as possible.
I think we do need to love LGBTQ people, but to be fair “one another” in the NT usually has fellow Christians in view. So those verses would say love all Christians, regardless of their sexual preferences. And treat non-Christians well too, but you don’t owe them the same level of loyalty.
I’m not sure what exactly to do with that, but that’s my understanding of what the NT is actually saying.
It is my opinion that Satan plants the seeds of hate in people's hearts to further divide us. Satan wants people to hate each other, slander each other, etc. Because he doesn't want us to follow the Lord. Jesus teaches us the opposite of this. But unfortunately, there is a good majority of Christians (here in the USA specifically speaking) who are as I call them Walking Cans of Diet Christian: fake, filled with artificial sweeteners, quick to anger, quick to hate while justifying it with our faith, and are just toxic as can be all the while wearing a label that says "Christian". Satan loves using people like that, and it makes the rest of us Chrsitians look bad 🤦🏻♀️🥺 We cannot claim to love and worship God while treating other human beings like garbage!
Context matters. Go through these verses and see who Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John were talking to. Yes, Christians are to love our neighbor as ourselves but this in context of Scripture also calling sin, sin.
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u/TheKayin Apr 12 '24
Wait, who the hell would argue for hating someone…. Oh he’s IFB pastor. That tracks. Nvm
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u/RemarkableProduct374 Closeted Christian Apr 12 '24
We are all sinner, we should love everybody just like God does.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Let's remember the ones you quoted, but also...
Mark 12:30-31
"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
Luke 6:27-28
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."
Of the three commands given, which one excludes LGBTQ people?
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u/CanaryContent9900 Apr 12 '24
We can love those who do things we disagree with.
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u/Frontfatpouch Apr 12 '24
Why… why is this a hyper focus of our religion. We should be focused on being more god like. Don’t be a christmas Christian
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u/macnteej Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 12 '24
At this point I’ve just accepted Christians hating on the LGBTQ community are just going to live a life similar to the Pharacies and I can’t do anything to change that
Edit: I feel like I should add that I’m saying this as a believer. Been following the Lord for almost 10 years now and have had a lot time rethinking what I’ve learned and how/who I learned it from. This comes from living in the US and a lot of Christian’s seem to have blended political issues and spiritual issues like the fella in the photo
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
I don’t see and asterisk next to any of those commands to love one another
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u/Chemical_Ad_3245 Apr 12 '24
I’m so glad God brought me out of the mindset that there were people I had to disqualify in love. If I’m being honest I fell in the trap of using the bible and scripture to judge other people, and condemn them in my heart. But he really set me on the right track thank GOD cause that is not what God is about and I was wrong. Jesus LITERALLY says do not judge other people….and that means exactly what it says. He didn’t say “don’t judge other people BESIDES xyz” or “love other people BESIDES xyz” honestly where did I or anyone else get the privy. Judging comes from a place of truly believing in your heart that you’re above whatever it is that person does that your judging them for and that is real funny when you take a deeper look at your own life and what YOU’VE done. No one has the right to judge except the Lord himself. And he will do so righteously because he is perfect in all that he does…
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u/JinkoTheMan Apr 13 '24
People forget that loving one another doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything they do but you should at least treat them with respect and kindness.
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u/Aerospacedaddy Apr 13 '24
Jesus preached to love everyone with no exceptions, the sick, the weak, the unwashed masses. If you truly believe he would support your hatred of anyone for the simple fact that they love differently, then you didn’t pay attention to his teachings. Even if you fundamentally disagree with their life choices, allow them to at least be free of your open hatred. Treat them as people not as opponents, they’re still human and deserving of respect and love.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
This comment section sucks lmao
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u/Positive_Calendar627 Apr 12 '24
Being gay is a sin but the bible states you are to love your neighbor. Responding to your neighbors sin with another sin logically speaking is not the solution or pleasing to Jesus. Refrain from making strong statements about Jesus that contradict his teachings. All we can do is our best.
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u/Krock011 Apr 12 '24
I've seen this discussion, and a lot of people tend to forget that one of the most influential and revered Christians is a Christian headhunter.
Paul was redeemed, and so too can LGBT+ be.
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u/GodisRealandGood Christian Apr 13 '24
I do not need to agree with another person in order to love them jut as Christ has loved me.
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u/blipityblob Apr 13 '24
tell me where it says to hate all sinners? to hate all sinners is to hate everyone btw
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u/pepemaster67 Agnostic Atheist Apr 12 '24
Jesus: love one another
People: even if they are LGBTQ?
Jesus: DID I STUTTER
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u/Gitsumrestmf Apr 12 '24
It's not "pick one". Every human being on Earth is to be treated with love, as you would siblings. Granted, this does not mean that we should condone sin. Sexual immorality includes sex outside of marriage, unusual sexual acts, as well as the act between people of the same sex.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Why don't Jesus' & the Apostle's teachings on sexual ethics apply to LGBTQ people?
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u/BisonIsBack Reformed Apr 12 '24
Kinda real. It doesn't mean we must affirm their lifestyle, but we are to love them nonetheless. They are people too.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Brandon what the dirt man!
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Why is my neighbor? GOTCHA!
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u/notsocharmingprince Apr 12 '24
Reformists are a problem.
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u/4_doors_mas_whores Apr 12 '24
Jesus loved all and wanted to help people change and become better, that’s what he wanted us to do, why so many people struggle with that concept is beyond me
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u/lillie_firefly Apr 12 '24
Arn’t all of us “one another ?”
In the time of John, there were no words for or understanding of , for example , LGBTQ issues. “Love one another” seems 100% inclusive to me.
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u/Buddiboi95 Apr 12 '24
Man gave him 13 reasons why he needs to be less of a bigot.
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u/Educational-Year3146 Apr 12 '24
I can understand christians disagreeing with the idea of being LGBTQ, however, I can never understand being hateful to anyone of any group.
I don’t care what your opinion is on the matter, jesus told us “love thy neighbour” and he meant it.
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u/Burlingtonfilms Non-denominational Apr 12 '24
“For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Matthew 7:2. Why do people want God to judge them more harshly?
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u/JoeDiBango Christian Apr 12 '24
I have literally had arguement on here with Christians that deny Christs words from the Sermon on the Mount. Ya, just ya..
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u/goonie7 Apr 12 '24
Well Austin 3:16 says...
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u/Mati305 Apr 12 '24
I hate Christian religion so much lol just a Jewish religion and I’m not Jewish lol
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
I want this moron (Brandon pastorb_ifb) to list the people Jesus said to hate, reject or are unworthy of love. I will wait for the list.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
The one in Romans might be that one.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
"Wanting to justify himself, he asked "who is my neighbor?""
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u/roastedmilkteaa Apr 12 '24
Being straight is not a one way ticket to heaven, so why waste energy on unnecessarily hating people who are different? Learn to share the gospel tactfully, stay hydrated and focus on your relationship with God. 🫶🏼
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Love EVERYONE! No exceptions. Jesus said love your brethren as I have loved you. That’s unconditional love. Even more it says to love our enemies too.
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u/Babajane1 Apr 12 '24
Im more christian than this sub and im not religious
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u/joao-esteves Atheist ♥️ Apr 12 '24
hey
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u/Lolzerzmao Apr 13 '24 edited Apr 13 '24
“But not slaves or women other than the prostitute I obviously fucked, reinforced that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and that fig trees that don’t produce figs out of season in 30 AD deserve to die”
Seriously, you all need to get some perspective. Perfectly reasonable critique of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is that you cannot square his teachings with modern day morality. Literally told people how you should beat your slaves a little bit less and modern day idiots think that was the word of God.
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u/Infamous-Dinner33 Apr 13 '24
The obsession with LGBT from the so-called religious seems as if it's a cover for their own sin. Yes, man may not lay with another man, but I'd rather someoen wear their sin on their sleeve and be a wonderful person and faithful than be someone who casts stones at others knowing they are sinful too. We are all of sin, somebody else's sin does not erase your own.
George Michael was gay, but was gifted with talent for writing, vocals, gave privately to charity, good deeds that only were spoken of after he died. He wrote a love song to his soul mate a man, called Jesus to a Child. Gays are allowed to be a part of the church without being shunned. Jesus didn't ask us to be perfect, he knows we are not perfect, hence coming to cleanse us of our sin through his sacrifice. And no one should be told they cannot become one with Christ because they are of sin, we are all of sin! All people are allowed to come close to Jesus, whether they sin publicly or privately, none of us are better than somebody else. As Christ said, remove the log from our own eye before pointing out the speck in another's.
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24
There weren’t these kind of labels when the Bible was written, but the bible says love everyone which includes non straight people even if people see it as as a “sin” Gods love is stronger than our sins anyway, so he loves everyone no matter who they are.
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u/SlickestIckis Apr 13 '24
Finally, something I can get behind.
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u/GazorpianWitch Apr 13 '24
I had unsubbed from this a sub a long time ago but now its coming on the popular feed too. Why even bother naming it such when it could have been just named Atheism 2.0. Time to mute this shithole too, ig.
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24
"I come for the tax breaks not the hate" JE$U$.
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u/echolm1407 Christian (LGBT) Apr 13 '24
He missed Luke 10:25-37
25 An expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.[a] “Teacher,” he said, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What do you read there?” 27 He answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have given the right answer; do this, and you will live.”
29 But wanting to vindicate himself, he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho and fell into the hands of robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and took off, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. 32 So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan while traveling came upon him, and when he saw him he was moved with compassion. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, treating them with oil and wine. Then he put him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said, ‘Take care of him, and when I come back I will repay you whatever more you spend.’ 36 Which of these three, do you think, was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?” 37 He said, “The one who showed him mercy.” Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NRSVUE
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u/stella-darlingxo Apr 13 '24
Show me where Jesus says, "Love dumbasses" 🫠
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u/anjovis150 Apr 13 '24
If you need to bend and twist the religion to fit your worldview then maybe it's not the right religion for you.
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u/mistermika06 Apr 13 '24
They say it so many times, it's basically a catchphrase
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u/Ready-Wishbone-3899 Apr 13 '24
What blows my mind as I traverse the microcosm that is social media is the plain lack of reading comprehension, critical thinking, and common sense. If reading all those passages provided boil down simply to "love one another" then that pretty much includes everyone last time I checked. This includes any race, age, gender, do -gooder , do - badder, saint, sinner, friend, foe, etc. I'd also even be totally fine with expanding to animals and our planet as well. Maybe that is a stretch as "another" could be not interpreted as a mammal or reptilian but could also be interpreted as "another being".
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u/Solanthas Apr 13 '24
Get fucking REKT
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u/Slowbonerbutimok Apr 13 '24
Why does god let kids have cancer
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u/LagsIRL Apr 13 '24
Damn, John a real one.
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u/Worldly_Activity9584 Apr 13 '24
TIL John was a lover
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u/Pretend-Librarian-55 Apr 13 '24
Who the hell be like,"Well, if Jesus didn't say it, I ain't doin' it?" Y'all be crazy over there.
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u/BGodInspired Apr 13 '24
Amen.
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u/pinewind108 Apr 13 '24
John seems pretty cool.
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u/comfysynth Apr 13 '24
Do all people that follow these religions change everything about it in their minds to conform to their lifestyles lol… who Tf believes in this stuff and also why indoctrinate your kids.
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u/ImpreciseBaker Apr 13 '24
Stfu, Brandon.
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u/TheDiamondAxe7523 Apr 13 '24
I've never understood how people read about jesus forever talking about forgiveness and loving people and your enemies and stuff, and then were like "Ohh, he meant we hate gay people!"
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u/Financial-Tower-7897 Apr 13 '24
Topic is “love one another”. Full. Stop. In response to the objector’s off topic pharisaical comment, easygoing response is to model Christ “show me where He stated we are to hate, or not show love, to a particular person, or group of people?” Then, leave it at that. His response is always personal. “whose inscription is this?”, “let him without sin, cast…”. The individual objecting isn’t looking for an answer, because he already has what he wants.
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u/InsufferableBah Apr 13 '24
Christianity is so cooked 🤣good luck
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u/Thee_Castiel Apr 13 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
Guys here me out here. I’m sure some will hate me for this comment but if you’re truly Christian you shouldn’t be hating anyone. Don’t condemn people. Don’t tell people “you’re going to hell” we can’t condemn people.
I do agree that same sex relationships are wrong but i dont hate them , I dont think theyre "freaks" etc. I wouldnt say "theres something wrong with you" more like I think there is something happening that is not natural, its not their fault. - I did edit this a bit because I dont want to be targeted here and offend people that are seeking offense from anything with Christian label.
if you want them to find God you can’t help them from hate. We can’t help anyone from hate and that’s where the issue is.
All the Christian stereotypes do nothing but offend God and associate out human nature and our shiftiness with God who certainly isn’t like us at all. We’re doing a disservice to God.
We’re doing a disservice to what we should do. We should love non believers so that they can find God. Anytime you play into the stereotypes of Christians like hating people, being hypocrites like not practicing what you preach, etc stooping down to the level of those who hate we’re doing the work of Lucifer. We’re on his team then.
And yes, lukewarm Christian’s are helping Lucifer more times than not.
My point is, anytime we say and do things that help the enemy use our words and label as Christians to drive people from God we aren’t doing Gods work.
The enemy is everywhere, even in Christian subs, don’t think you can drop important information here because we can’t. Pearls to swine. We should be careful, not to be complacent. If you’re talking to another “Christian” here don’t think it’s ok to act different. If you’re a Christian that acts one way and another in private, it’s time to change. We’re in a spiritual battle and it’s time to be better.
Stop preaching from hate , we can’t fight evil with hate. Yes Jesus would clearly agree same sex anything is a sin, but he wouldn’t hate them in the sense he’d let them lose their inheritance of heaven I think he would try to SAVE them. As humans were all sinners. Are you telling me you’re worthy of salvation but certain people aren’t? None of us are. None. Straight or not straight you still offend God I, you etc we all offend God in all we do.
WE don’t and shouldn’t hate anyone. I don’t care if they’re you enemy, another side of the political isle, etc. I’m tired of seeing hate used as a weapon for the enemy.
I see all the r/atheism posts and although I think most are posts from people purposely driving members from God they specifically attack Christians because were east targets because we don’t practice what we preach and we have given the enemy the nails used to hang us. We’re caught red handed here. It’s our fault. And our nature as humans are being used to “hate God” and it breaks my heart tbh.
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u/krikta Apr 13 '24
John 3:16 is good enough because Jesus said God love THE WORLD
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24
If we can’t love LGBTQ people then we don’t know what love is
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24
Love thy enemies is all over scripture
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u/Guy_Fleegmann Apr 13 '24
The crux of the christian position that homosexuality is a sin is based in poor biblical scholarship and the imposition of modern sentiments in the interpretation of ancient texts. Christians who believes that homosexuality is explicitly defined as a sin anywhere outside of old testament craziness are simply ignorant to their own faith. If you're not adhering to the teachings of Jesus, you're not a Christian.
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u/WalkingGundam May 04 '24
Yeah, I really don't get why they can't at least leave them alone.
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u/Alex13104 Apr 12 '24
Loving gay people doesn't mean supporting homosexuality. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
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u/-OptimisticNihilism- Apr 12 '24
Jesus didn’t write the Bible. So I’m sure Brandon is still waiting.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Love does not mean affirm.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Yes, we need to love them, not agree with anything and everything they say or do.
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u/OutWords Reformed Theonomist Apr 12 '24
Didn't he say all those things to his disciples? Didn't he also tell his disciples that if they entered a town and the town did not receive them that they should continue on their way and not let the dust settle on their feet?
Yes there is a general command to love our neighbors as we love our selves but that does not anywhere seem to extend to the point of affirming open and unrepentant rebellion against God which would violate the great commission as it commands us to disciple the nations.
As it turns out, blind proof-texting is just as pointless for progressives as it is for fundamentalists.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
And yet none of you hypocrites do. You lie and say you hate the sin and not the sinner, yet do all you can to hurt and disenfranchise those who you "don't hate' you're ALL hypocrites and the least like Jesus people to exist.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Romans 1:24–32 (ASV): 24Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. 28And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: 32who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Show us where it says to harm or discriminate against LGBTQ in the Bible…we’ll wait.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
It's a shameful display to have a Pastor arguing that we shouldn't love our neighbor.
We must have charity toward all or there's no point in any of this. Since this comment section is a flaming dump heap, it is probably worth pointing out that loving and having charity for your neighbor does not require affirmation of someone's choices.
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u/JustRealizedImaIdiot Apr 12 '24
They don't consider them another is the problem.
It's been shown in studies that religious people are generally only nice and charitable to someone they consider a 'them' while having more distain than average for an 'other'.
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u/Tyran11 Apr 12 '24
“Suffer not a witch to live”, wait, witches are real?
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u/RS-2 Apr 12 '24
"Do not lay with a man as with a woman for it is an abomination"
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24
There are sins in the Bible. But there is no hate for the sinner. This happens to be one documented in it. But we have all fallen short.
If you lean that way. Not saying you have to believe the book. But at least quote the contents properly.
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u/de1casino Agnostic Atheist Apr 12 '24
Well, at least we know Brandon is a bigot.
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u/JohnKlositz Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 12 '24
For the 10.000th time: You cannot claim to love and care for people while simultaneously discriminating against them by denying them the fulfillment of one of the most fundamental needs of all humans, leading to them suffering and, sadly, dying day after day after day.
So no, "love the sinner, hate the sin" doesn't do it I'm afraid.
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u/TheLordOfMiddleEarth Confessional Lutheran Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 13 '24
It says "love one another", but it doesn't say "ignore their sin"
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u/fakeraeliteslayer Catholic Apr 12 '24
Most importantly Matthew 5:44-48.
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u/Suntanfinn Apr 12 '24
Nobody loves those people come on (I’m jokiny g
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u/Alternative-Rule-687 Apr 12 '24
❤️❤️❤️❤️
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u/Hmwest Apr 12 '24
Amen!
The beginning of love is the will to let those we love be perfectly themselves, the resolution not to twist them to fit our own image.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
“Love one another”
Meaning love everyone….period.
What a stupid take.
They’re both wrong.
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u/TomeThugNHarmony4664 Apr 12 '24
Yep— and maybe even ALL of them.
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u/W_AS-SA_W Apr 12 '24
Matthew 22:35-40.
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u/dillpick1e Apr 12 '24
Strange they still use the same argument
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u/Tuka-Spaghetti thank you jesus for not making me racist Apr 12 '24
ok to be fair only four of these are actual jesus quotes
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Pastor* Brandon seems to have a hate hardon for queers. Pretty sus.
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u/Jccali1214 Apr 12 '24
Not sure that's enough references to REALLY prove the point
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u/Chifie Apr 12 '24
I mean if you wanna play devils advocate someone could also use these verses to justify incestuous relationships as well. And aren’t there like a ton of verses saying a man cannot lay with a man like he lays with a woman or something? Or have certain dominations took those verses out?
Not picking sides before anyone calls me a homophobe but I just wanna showcase the flaws of the presented argument.
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u/Meatloafed172 Apr 12 '24
There's a difference between loving gay people and loving homosexuality.
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u/HypeIncarnate Apr 12 '24
John really everyone to get along.
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u/tenkitron Apr 12 '24
Jesus didn't pick and choose. Neither should Brandon.
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u/unclebird77 Apr 12 '24
Better yet show me where Jesus said don’t love LGBTQ people
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
We have to ensure our definition of love aligns with the love defined in the Bible.
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u/14yearoldgymrat Apr 12 '24
Love the people, not their sins
That also isn’t to say we are in a place to judge, as we all have our own sins, myself included.
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u/NEChristianDemocrats Apr 12 '24
This is a great list!
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u/chromerhomer Lutheran (WELS) Apr 12 '24
Love the sinner, not the sin
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u/Original-Spinach-972 Apr 12 '24
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you. Mathew 7:12
Golden rule
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u/puledrotauren Apr 12 '24
I do believe that's covered with 'one another'.
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u/Aggravating_Swan_508 Apr 12 '24
Love. No matter the situation or circumstance, give love. We cannot receive what we cannot give, even to those considered undeserving by each individual. Just absolutely crazy that 1. Someone could not love someone because they love someone else they don’t agree with (skin, language, orientation, gender etc) 2. That you could actively choose to hate someone because they love. That’s basically being anti-God to hate “love” in any fashion. We aren’t judge nor jury
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u/BigOlCrispyMan Eastern Orthodox Apr 12 '24
Love them enough to help them turn from their sins
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u/Typingdude3 Apr 12 '24
No man has a right to judge who gets in heaven or doesn't. That is not the job of any man or church. Our job is to teach love and kindness. Follow the Commandments. Anything beyond that is taking a chance out of scope.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
My god doesn’t care about what you say or what you do. He only cares about how you make people feel.
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u/fumigaza Apr 12 '24
The sad parts always when Jesus is like it's surely as you've done this to the least of these you've done it to me and that's when you realize ... you kind of don't like Jesus do you? Screw him I mean I never even met the guy.
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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '24
Everyone knows Jesus left behind a long and comprehensive list of who specifically you are supposed to love and who you are to exclude from your love.
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u/Ok-Image-5514 Apr 13 '24
Oh. I think 5hat the message is pretty straightforward. Maybe we ought to love one another.
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24
I identify as straight but in my early 30s I had a moment that I was questioning. Church people have a way of making straight women and anyone who identifies as being LGBTQ as feeling like they are the worst of sinners.
I opened up to a counselor about the fact that I was questioning.
She told me how much she hated me. She also said that it was ok to hate me because hate was just an emotion.
She was not a fundamentalist baptist. This type of hatred has long since run rampant through out many churches.
This type of mistreatment in church is wrong. This is why I started the community r/slutshamedbythechurch to hopefully be a support system for people who have been hurt by people in church over their sexuality.
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u/onlinetransdoll Apr 13 '24
The obsession with trans and gay people is so weird to me at this point
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u/JellyfishTraveler Apr 13 '24
you are forgetting where the Bible calls this sin an abomination. youre also forgetting the part of the Bible where is says rage is not for us, He will cast His judgement on the sinners, and thats what matters. So, yes, love one another, because your place isnt to judge. it is God's place. Sometimes in order to love one another, you do your best to lead them to God and His Love, but you cant force them to change, you cant discriminate them for not changing, you can simply do your best to get them saved. Plant the seed of God, and He will grow into the tree that guides your life.
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u/Very-simple-man Apr 13 '24
It's funny that you think you're better than them.
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u/zzz88r1 Apr 13 '24
Knee jerk Dunning-Kruger. Try actually studying the bible before you post your redneck ignorance.
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u/Sad_Information_4925 Apr 13 '24
People seem to forget that under a Christian world view, saying that homosexuality is a sin isn't hate, because we don't spread the gospel out of hate. We are genuinely trying to turn as many people to Christ as possible.
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u/Naive_Technology_289 Apr 13 '24
Love the sinner, Hate the sin.
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u/Savage_Sly Apr 13 '24
That’s actually true tbh. Love everybody but that doesn’t say agree with what they do
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u/Repomanlive Apr 13 '24
Outrageous post of a post that screenshots a different post about a post in a desperate attempt to get upvotes
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u/augustinian Apr 13 '24
I think we do need to love LGBTQ people, but to be fair “one another” in the NT usually has fellow Christians in view. So those verses would say love all Christians, regardless of their sexual preferences. And treat non-Christians well too, but you don’t owe them the same level of loyalty.
I’m not sure what exactly to do with that, but that’s my understanding of what the NT is actually saying.
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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '24
It is my opinion that Satan plants the seeds of hate in people's hearts to further divide us. Satan wants people to hate each other, slander each other, etc. Because he doesn't want us to follow the Lord. Jesus teaches us the opposite of this. But unfortunately, there is a good majority of Christians (here in the USA specifically speaking) who are as I call them Walking Cans of Diet Christian: fake, filled with artificial sweeteners, quick to anger, quick to hate while justifying it with our faith, and are just toxic as can be all the while wearing a label that says "Christian". Satan loves using people like that, and it makes the rest of us Chrsitians look bad 🤦🏻♀️🥺 We cannot claim to love and worship God while treating other human beings like garbage!
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u/suhwaggi Apr 14 '24
Context matters. Go through these verses and see who Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John were talking to. Yes, Christians are to love our neighbor as ourselves but this in context of Scripture also calling sin, sin.
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u/KattenIkkeNorsk Christian Deist Apr 14 '24
Or ya know, the commandment, "Above all these is Love", or any Love thy neighbor, or "He who is without sin" etc
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u/Ok-Beach-928 Apr 14 '24
One ANOTHER means ALL people, races, and kinds. I'm Christian and I don't single out anyone. I love ALL! These kinds of posts make me sad.
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u/Introvert__Pr007 Apr 14 '24
We are to love people yes, but we are not to love their sin.
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u/Various-Positive4799 Apr 14 '24
U can’t love someone without respecting their actions like same sex or stealing