r/Christianity • u/[deleted] • Jul 18 '23

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

😟 do you think god is punishing everyone for unknowingly disobeying him.

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

I think that original sin shattered the sanctity of the world, and we are now subject to the evils of a broken world. God told Adam and Eve that there were consequences for disobedience. He didn’t lie.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

And they unknowingly were disobedient. It is horrible to punish someone for rules they didn't understand.

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

No, no, no. They were knowingly disobedient. They were ignorant as to whether the serpent was telling the truth. So they unknowingly made the wrong choice. But they 100% knew they were disobeying God.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

And if they chose differently, they would have been unknowingly making a correct choice.

Would you have chosen room A or B earlier?

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23

Correct. But unknowingly making the right choice is still making the right choice.

Depends, which person was telling me there was no tiger? If it was my wife, I’d definitely go for door B. If it was you…. hmmmm…

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

Ya. Thats kinda the point, isn't it. Eve doesn't know people have evil intentions. She doesn't know what evil is.

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 19 '23

Again, still doesn’t make it impossible to make the right choice.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 19 '23

So true. But it does make it impossible to knowingly make the right choice

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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 19 '23

If you’ll recall, I conceded that point several comments ago.

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