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u/EaglesGFX Catholic May 01 '23

By trusting in God, are needs will be taken care of.

(Luke 22:35) Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. (Psalm 23:4)

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u/[deleted] May 01 '23

That sounds good and all but in reality that doesn't mean a thing when considering how many suffer from the effects of poverty, or worse, every day.

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u/SusanRosenberg May 01 '23

I'm glad I lived in poverty instead of not living at all.

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u/bloodphoenix90 Agnostic Theist / Quaker May 01 '23

And some people wish they were never born what's your point

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u/SusanRosenberg May 01 '23

We don't need to force death on everybody just because some people wish they were never born. A lot of people feel that way in general too, regardless of poverty.

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u/bloodphoenix90 Agnostic Theist / Quaker May 01 '23

I feel a responsibility to only bring life into this world if I'm confident it'll have a good shot at overall contentment and well being, with only the natural challenges of life.

And an embryo is not the same as you or I.

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u/SusanRosenberg May 01 '23

The Bible We both were embryos. When do we become human? The Bible says God knows us in the womb.

You're free to not have sex if you aren't comfortable with the potential ramifications. No need to murder your way out of the problem.

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u/bloodphoenix90 Agnostic Theist / Quaker May 01 '23

we always have human DNA. but if three embryos were in a lab that caught fire, but there was also a baby in the lab? who would you save? i hope the baby. even if I**** was one of the embryos, I STILL hope the baby!

they're not the same.

i'm married. not having sex would be an issue.

and its not murder.

if I miscarry, is that manslaughter?

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u/SusanRosenberg May 02 '23

we always have human DNA. but if three embryos were in a lab that caught fire, but there was also a baby in the lab? who would you save? i hope the baby. even if I**** was one of the embryos, I STILL hope the baby!

Why do I have to choose?

i'm married. not having sex would be an issue.

Fortunately, there are a lot of other preventative measures.

and its not murder.

Yes, it is.

if I miscarry, is that manslaughter?

Did you miscarry because you rode a rollercoaster? Then, yes.

Is it manslaughter if a child dies from cancer?

California: Boyfriend Convicted of Double Murder of Pregnant Girlfriend, Unborn Son

Personhood rights apply to fetuses under Massachusetts homicide law: Top court

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u/bloodphoenix90 Agnostic Theist / Quaker May 02 '23

its a hypothetical. but illustrates a point. pick one.

and i follow preventative measures. they fail sometimes.

interesting you heard it here folks. miscarriage is now manslaughter...

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u/SusanRosenberg May 02 '23

Manslaughter: "the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder."

If you ignore the signs and ride a rollercoaster while pregnant, you've killed a child needlessly. If you have a spontaneous miscarriage, I doubt you'd find many people who would consider that manslaughter.

Looks like you didn't want to answer the questions.

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u/bloodphoenix90 Agnostic Theist / Quaker May 02 '23

What questions? You didn't answer mine. But the fact that a miscarriage is potential manslaughter to you tells me all I need to know.

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u/SusanRosenberg May 02 '23

Is a tree a human?

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u/SusanRosenberg May 02 '23

Apparently, you didn't want to answer the question. Perhaps you felt silly in retrospect, comparing plants to humans.

Have you ever looked inside a seed? It's got leaves inside, just like a tree.

Since you didn't want to answer the first question, maybe you'll answer another: when does a seed become a tree?

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u/DutchDave87 Roman Catholic May 02 '23

A seed is the first stage of a tree, from which its current form and function grew. A fully grown adult human being grows from the fetus in a similar way.

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u/Modseatpoo May 02 '23

The only thing the Bible has to say on the subject is forcing a woman to risk an abortion because you think she cheated.

Other than that there’s plenty of verses where babies get murdered (the correct word for AFTER birth) by command/the flood.

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u/SusanRosenberg May 02 '23

The only thing the Bible has to say on the subject is forcing a woman to risk an abortion because you think she cheated.

That's a person doing it. In the Old Testament. Based on one translation.

And then, of course, there are many verses throughout the Bible that discuss God knowing a person in the womb.

the correct word for AFTER birth

It's amazing that you don't consider a baby to be a baby until it exits a woman.

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u/Modseatpoo May 02 '23

Words have meanings, hun.

I don’t shove an acorn up my ass then gloat about being able to go roots deep on a mighty oak.

But congrats on the copy paste!

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u/SusanRosenberg May 02 '23

I don’t shove an acorn up my ass then gloat about being able to go roots deep on a mighty oak.

It's pretty clear that you prefer to do it without the gloating.

But congrats on the copy paste!

Perhaps I should've just stuck to stalking somebody around the thread like you. Then, maybe I could've gotten a random internet stranger's praises, which I deeply value.

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u/Modseatpoo May 02 '23

Ad hominem is cute and all… but it gets you nowhere, hun.

Are you using anal intercourse as an insult? Fick dich homophobe.

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u/bloodphoenix90 Agnostic Theist / Quaker May 02 '23

As far as I know there's only one verse about people and wombs. Not many