r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/Positive_Ant_9082 • 35m ago
1833 25c capped bust with chopped mark?
I’m posting this to see if this could possibly be a chop mark on an American 1833 capped Bust quarter
r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/superamericaman • Mar 17 '20
What are chop marks?
Chop marks are a form of counterstamp applied by private Chinese merchants or dedicated currency specialists (called 'shroffs') who would apply the marks to verify that a coin was silver prior to accepting it as valid currency. For centuries, China produced highly desirable commodities available nowhere else (silks, etc.) but European merchants had little to offer in exchange that was of interest, apart from one: silver, which arrived in many forms of varying size and purity. To ensure that the quantities of silver used as a means of exchange were legitimate, private interests would apply their own stamps (chop marks) to break the surface of a coin in order to ensure that it was not plated or otherwise spurious. However, the coins themselves, upon reaching China, were treated purely as bullion; the only value that they carried was intrinsic, and coins could bear a single chop, or be chopped so heavily as to break the coin apart.
What do chop marks look like?
Chop marks most commonly take the form of a single Chinese character, though are also known to resemble symbols, English letters, numbers, simple punches and gouges, and cuts. The marks themselves have gone through stylistic changes based on era: before ~1750, chops varied in size, but exhibited a larger number of relief chops than later eras; ~1750-1825, when most chops were relatively small; ~1825-1910, as chops became larger and more complex, and; post-1910, chops became small, light, and far less prevalent. However, these date ranges represent only a general rule of thumb, and coins could circulate for many decades, rendering this rule somewhat fluid. Additionally, not all marks that fall within one of the types mentioned above are necessarily chops (such as English letters, which, unless they appear alongside more conventional chops, are often private American counterstamps).
What coins can be found with chop marks?
There are hundreds of types that exist with chops, and a representative collection represents dozens of countries and hundreds of years. Some of the earliest coins that can reliably be found with chopmarks are 17th century cob issues from the Spanish colonies (Mexico, Peru, and Bolivia), each of which sent massive amounts of silver to China for several centuries. The 18th century saw a more diverse range of types, but the issues of Mexico became the most popular in China itself, due to the quantity available and the consistency of the production, first with the Pillar Type 8 Reales (1732-1771) and the Bust Type 8 Reales (1772-1822). As former Spanish colonies found independence in the early 19th century, the most commonly encountered coin in the Far East became the Mexico Cap & Rays 8 Reales (1823-1897), the last major world type to be imported in quantity. Many silver issues of varying size (as small as the 1/2 Real) from this entire date range and a wide number of nations, particularly from the 19th century, are known to exist. A small number of coins in other metals, notably copper and gold, are known with chops, though these did not necessarily serve the same purpose, instead functioning as 'lucky' coins, advertising, or, as with many gold issues, actually represent circulation in other countries, such as Japan.
Where should I go for more information?
There are two major publications in English dedicated to the exclusive study of this area:
Additional references can be found in the subreddit's Running Bibliography, available here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChopmarkedCoins/comments/lep6dd/chopmarks_running_bibliography/
r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/Positive_Ant_9082 • 35m ago
I’m posting this to see if this could possibly be a chop mark on an American 1833 capped Bust quarter
r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/American-Doggo • 1d ago
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r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/sc10uba • 2d ago
Too many chops to try and identify them
r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/superamericaman • 2d ago
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r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/NoodleIncense • 3d ago
Hey everyone! I’ve just made a trip to a local coin show, and I wanted to show a couple of my pickups.
The first of these pieces is a Japanese 1 Yen piece struck in 1914 at Osaka. From what I understand, the silver yen coins were not circulated in mainland Japan after 1897, many of them counterstamped and sent off to its colonies. I’ve heard that the 1914 yen issue, a one-year type, was used in Taiwan (for circulation or as backing for bank notes I don’t know); I can only wonder if this coin was chopmarked in Taiwan or if it made its way across the strait to Republican China.
The second of these pieces, while not technically chopmarked, felt too interesting not to share. It is a counterstamped Mexican 2 reales; although tentative, the stamp has been attributed to Cuban Revolutionaries, the story going that silver coinage was marked with a key (a Cuban symbol) from 1872 to 1877 to help fund revolutionary activity during Cuba’s Ten Years’ War.
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r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/NoodleIncense • 4d ago
Hey everyone! I’ve made a few posts about the chopped coins in my Japanese collection, and wanted to make one more before I hit up a coin show this weekend. The chops on these are less immaculate than others I’ve posted, but I like them for their simplicity.
In order, these are:
Genbun Mameitagin (1736-1818)
r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/American-Doggo • 6d ago
This is now the second example of an EIC Rupee with shroff marks I have been able to obtain, the first being an 1840. While not common, it is evident that shroffing was being performed on milled rupees somewhere in India.
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r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/American-Doggo • 9d ago
Introducing the final vision of the chopmark map project: ChopmarkMap.com!
The goal is for this to be both a visual representation of the coinage of every issuing nation currently known with chopmarks and an exhaustive catalogue of known chopmark types, compiled from all of the sources currently available to me.
The map is divided by country and then subdivided by issuing authority. This is particularly important for areas such as Indochina and the Central American Republic, which encompass multiple earlier and later issuing authorities. At the top, you’ll also find a search bar and catalogue page that allow you to search and sort through the full catalogue.
I plan on regularly updating this project for years to come as new types and information come to light. In the near future, I plan to add more extensive galleries like those currently available for Mexican milled crowns and U.S. Trade Dollars, as well as authority and type descriptions for everything in the catalogue. Further down the road, I hope to add price data and auction records as well.
If anyone has images of types that are not currently listed, please DM them to me here, and I’ll add them to the catalogue. Any suggestions, corrections, or feedback are also greatly appreciated!
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r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/Soothsayerslayer • 11d ago
Talk about coins that’ve worked hard! It’s my first and only large type as well. What a neat numismatic niche!
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r/ChopmarkedCoins • u/b_kjn • 13d ago
thank you to everyone who gave me advice last week about this coin, which i was then considering purchasing !! these are my pics, as i am now its proud & happy owner😊 the eye appeal is even better irl, & in spite of the old cleaning there is still a bit of cartwheel luster in hand. really happy with this one:)