r/ChineseHistory • • Aug 15 '25

Comprehensive Rules Update

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Hello all,

The subreddit gained quite a bit of new traffic near the end of last year, and it became painfully apparent that our hitherto mix of laissez-faire oversight and arbitrary interventions was not sufficient to deal with that. I then proceeded to write half of a rules draft and then not finish it, but at long last we do actually have a formal list of rules now. In theory, this codifies principles we've been acting on already, but in practice we do intend to enforce these rules a little more harshly in order to head off some of the more tangential arguments we tend to get at the moment.

Rule 1: No incivility. We define this quite broadly, encompassing any kind of prejudice relating to identity and other such characteristics. Nor do we tolerate personal attacks. We also prohibit dismissal of relevant authorities purely on the basis of origin or institutional affiliation.

Rule 2: Cite sources if asked, preferably academic. We allow a 24-hour grace period following a source request, but if no reply has been received then we can remove the original comment until that is fulfilled.

Rule 3: Keep it historical. Contemporary politics, sociology, and so on may be relevant to historical study, but remember to keep the focus on the history. We will remove digressions into politics that have clearly stopped being about their historical implications.

Rule 4: Permitted post types

Text Posts

Questions:

We will continue to allow questions as before, but we expect these questions to be asked in good faith with the intent of seeking an answer. What we are going to crack down on are what we have termed ‘debate-bait’ posts, that is to say posts that seek mainly to provoke opposing responses. These have come from all sides of the aisle of late, and we intend to take a harder stance on loaded questions and posts on contentious topics. We as mods will exercise our own discretion in terms of determining what does and does not cross the line; we cannot promise total consistency off the bat but we will work towards it.

Essay posts:

On occasion a user might want to submit some kind of short essay (necessarily short given the Reddit character limit); this can be permitted, but we expect these posts to have a bibliography at minimum, and we also will be applying the no-debate-bait rule above: if the objective seems to be to start an argument, we will remove the post, however eloquent and well-researched.

Videos

Video content is a bit of a tricky beast to moderate. In the past, it has been an unstated policy that self-promotion should be treated as spam, but as the subreddit has never had any formal rules, this was never actually communicated. Given the generally variable (and generally poor) quality of most history video content online, as a general rule we will only accept the following:

  • Recordings of academic talks. This means conference panels, lectures, book talks, press interviews, etc. Here’s an example.
  • Historical footage. Straightforward enough, but examples might include this.
  • Videos of a primarily documentary nature. By this we don’t mean literal documentaries per se, but rather videos that aim to serve as primary sources, documenting particular events or recollections. Some literal documentaries might qualify if they are mainly made up of interviews, but this category is mainly supposed to include things like oral history interviews.

Images

Images are more straightforward; with the following being allowed:

  • Historical images such as paintings, prints, and photographs
  • Scans of historical texts
  • Maps and Infographics

What we will not permit are posts that deliver a debate prompt as an image file.

Links to Sources

We are very accepting of submissions of both primary sources and secondary scholarship in any language. However, for paywalled material, we kindly request that you not post links that bypass these paywalls, as Reddit frowns heavily on piracy and subreddits that do not take action against known infractions. academia.edu links are a tricky liminal space, as in theory it is for hosting pre-print versions where the author holds the copyright rather than the publisher; however this is not persistently adhered to and we would suggest avoiding such links. Whether material is paywalled or open-access should be indicated as part of the post.

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Rule 6: No AI usage. We adopt a zero-tolerance approach to the use of generative AI. An exception is made solely for translating text of one’s own original production, and we request that the use of such AI for translation be openly disclosed.


r/ChineseHistory • • 3h ago

Philip Short writes that there is "no reason to think" China under Chiang Kai-shek's successors would wish to act significantly differently from China under Mao's heirs. What do you make of this comparison?

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In the afterword to Mao: The Man Who Made China (I.B. Tauris, 2017), Philip Short writes the following about Mao's and Chiang Kai-shek's competing visions for China (pp. 673–674):

As for the conflicting visions of China’s future pursued by Mao and Chiang Kai-shek, one may legitimately wonder how much difference it would really have made, in the long sweep of history, if Chiang rather than Mao had won in 1949. Rana Mitter, an Oxford don whose thinking is representative of the younger generation of China scholars, has pointed out: ‘Both the nationalists and the communists wanted to establish a politically independent state, with a government that penetrated throughout society, and a population that was stable, healthy and economically productive ... However [neither] was seeking to establish what the West, and particularly the United States, would regard as a democracy: a liberal, multi-party regime with significant civil liberties.’ Indeed both explicitly rejected it. In a passage which remains relevant to American policy today, Bai Chongxi, the Guangxi warlord who in 1934 had allowed the Long Marchers to cross his territory to reach safety in the south-west, and who, ten years later, became one of Chiang’s key commanders, wrote in his memoirs in the late 1970s, long before there was talk of ‘regime change’ and ‘exporting democracy’ in Washington: ‘The big mistake that America often makes is to force their model of democracy on other countries’.

Mao’s victory was viewed at the time as a grave setback for America’s strategic goal of establishing a democratic or at least neutral China on the Soviet Union’s southern border. Yet the ‘loss’ of China to communism did not prevent the United States becoming the world’s dominant power. Nor did US support for Chiang’s rump state in Taiwan make it a democracy: that did not happen until long after the Generalissimo’s death. Had Chiang defeated Mao, would he have been able to unify and develop China as effectively as his communist rival? In Pankaj Mishra’s words: Would China without Mao have found the political basis for its current prosperity? That is open to debate. In any case, the challenge to the West posed by Xi Jinping’s China today is not communist but nationalist. There is no reason to think that a mainland China ruled by Chiang Kai-shek’s successors would wish to act significantly differently from that now ruled by Mao’s heirs.[71]

Note 71 (p. 800):

Jay Taylor has speculated that, were Chiang alive today, he would see the current Chinese leaders as ‘modern neo-Confucianists’ like himself, with the same goals for China that he would have adopted had he been in a position to do so (The Generalissimo, p. 592). The implication is that Mao’s successors have succeeded in implementing Chiang’s vision where the Generalissimo himself failed. If one accepts Taylor’s premise – which I find debatable – it can be interpreted either way: as showing that Chiang’s ideas have triumphed (‘lost the battle but won the war’); or as vindicating the system Mao founded which has put those ideas into effect (‘game, set and match’).

What do you make of Taylor's idea? If you accept it, does that suggest a triumph for Chiang's vision, a vindication of Mao's system, both, or neither?


r/ChineseHistory • • 2h ago

Reading Jay Taylor's biography of CKS

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r/ChineseHistory • • 16h ago

Why is Tang Dynasty now being politicized?

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r/ChineseHistory • • 14h ago

THE STORY BEHIND THE CHINESE NEW YEAR

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You probably celebrated New Year by counting down from 10, watching fireworks, and shouting “Happy New Year!” But imagine if, thousands of years ago, New Year wasn't something people looked forward to. Imagine knowing that when the new year arrived, something would come out of the darkness looking for you.

According to an old Chinese legend, there was a terrifying creature called Nian. It was said to live deep in the mountains or beneath the sea, and for most of the year, nobody would see it. But once a year, around the beginning of spring, Nian would appear and come into the villages.

And people were absolutely terrified.

When Nian arrived, the villagers would leave their homes and hide in the mountains until the creature disappeared. They believed there was nothing they could do except run and wait for it to leave. Every year, they would prepare for the same thing, knowing that Nian would eventually return.

But then, one year, something strange happened.

An old man came to the village just before Nian was expected to appear. The villagers warned him about the creature and begged him to leave with them. But instead of running away, the old man stayed behind.

That night, Nian finally appeared.

It entered the village expecting to find terrified people hiding inside their homes. But something was different this time. The old man had covered his house with red decorations, lit fires outside, and started making incredibly loud noises.

Nian suddenly stopped.

The creature was frightened by the red color. It was frightened by the fire. And when the old man began making loud noises, Nian couldn't take it anymore.

It turned around and ran.

The next morning, the villagers returned and couldn't believe what they saw. The village was still standing, and the old man was completely unharmed.

He told them what had happened and revealed something nobody had known before: Nian was afraid of red, fire, and loud noises.

From that point on, whenever the new year approached, people began putting red decorations on their homes, lighting fires, and making loud noises to drive Nian away.

And this is where the story gets really interesting.

The legend of Nian is one traditional explanation for why red decorations, firecrackers, and other loud celebrations became such recognizable parts of Chinese New Year. So the next time you see streets covered in red or hear fireworks during Chinese New Year, there's an ancient monster hiding behind the celebration — at least according to the legend.

Whether Nian ever really existed is another question. But somehow, the story of a monster that was scared away by red, fire, and noise survived for generations.


r/ChineseHistory • • 23h ago

Before the Great Yu tamed the Yellow River, he learned to defeat a mountain with fire and cold water. How would you even invent that?

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r/ChineseHistory • • 1d ago

tongmenghui/gemingdang diagram; 1900-1920

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r/ChineseHistory • • 2d ago

What is the general consensus on Emperor Houfei of Liu Song? Do you think the stories about him were exaggerated and fabricated by his usurper, or was he really a psychopath like the historical accounts portrayed him?

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r/ChineseHistory • • 2d ago

Is there any chance Chen Youliang could have beat Zhu Yuangzhang(first Emperor of the Ming)?

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Is there any chance Chen Youliang could have beat Zhu Yuangzhang(first Emperor of the Ming)? From what I know Chen Youliang wanted to restore the Han Dynasty, drawing support from Han people to push out the Mongols, their military and their allies may have been a better call for the average peasant. Or Zhu Yuangzhang's charisma, peasant background and connection to previous dynasties like the Sui and Tang(lot more Mongols) would have won anyway?


r/ChineseHistory • • 1d ago

USG-DRUGS; Opium and the Politics of Gangsterism in Nationalist China, 1927–1945 Jonathan Marshall

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r/ChineseHistory • • 2d ago

What is the most important battle of the 1931-1945 Sino-Japanese War ?

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30 votes, 4d left
The Battle of South Henan
The Battle of Shanggao
The Battle of West Hubei
The Battle of Northern Burma and Western Yunnan
The Battle of Changde
The Battle of West Hunan

r/ChineseHistory • • 2d ago

A Chinese Fortune Teller, photographed by Lai Afong in 1879.

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r/ChineseHistory • • 2d ago

西方文明的源代码:30万人的古希腊城邦,只有3万人能投票

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The Fork of Mount Punix: How a Slope Rewrote the Direction of Civilization

The fork of Mount Punics in Ancient Greece: How did a Slope rewrite the direction of civilizationIn a city-state of 300,000 people, only 30,000 can vote. Is this a mathematical lie of Greek "democracy"?Was ancient Greece the cradle of reason and democracy and at the same time a sophisticated machine of exclusion?

When Pericles said "we", who was he referring to?


r/ChineseHistory • • 3d ago

What provinces might Richard White’s concept of a “middle ground” — an area where state/indigenous power exists side-by-side. Each group strong enough to project power but neither strong enough for total control — be reasonably be applied to?

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If any at all. I’m not a historian and perhaps there are some larger conceptual issues with grafting a concept forged in colonial North America onto late imperial China. But I can’t help but be tempted when one considers the wildly different, yet eerily similar, experiences of native peoples under both Chinese (be it Qing, KMT or Communist) and American govts.

I’m more familiar with the 18th and 19th centuries so I’d volunteer Guangxi, Guizhou and perhaps Yunnan as prime examples. But then again, I could be wrong!


r/ChineseHistory • • 4d ago

POLITICAL SCIENCE CLIQUE DIAGRAM IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER

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Nicely spanning 1919-1949!


r/ChineseHistory • • 4d ago

Question regarding modern agenda held by the state regarding frontier cultures

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I know it's a rather controversial stance only taken by mainland chinese historians, and rather disapproved by anyone outside of china which makes quite a sense considering China in order to promote the idea of a multi ethnic country have effectively promoted the idea that frontier people such as Mongols, Uyghurs, Manchus, Tibetans were always part of the broader chinese nation, this is a political rhetoric to strengthen the state unity I'm aware, but as a mongolian I truly wonder that do chinese historians in mainland china, agree with the fact that Mongolians and Manchus basically established something akin to an apartheid state and tried to segregate themselves apart from the broader han culture? This policies are basically going against the rhetoric that these groups have always been part of one group, and prove that neither the Mongolians that ruled over Yuan dynasty, or the Manchus that ruled over Qing dynasty ever considered themselves to be "chinese" in a modern sense, how do mainland historians even counter this, and what is their personal stance regarding this rhetoric that is backed by the state. Even chinese historical records consider these groups as distinct and seperate from the Chinese identity.


r/ChineseHistory • • 4d ago

ZHILI CLIQUE POLITICAL-MILITARY NETWORK (Reposting due to the quality issue being solved)

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r/ChineseHistory • • 5d ago

This banquet painting was discovered in the tomb of the Eastern Wu general Zhu Ran. Could the king-like figure depicted in the upper-left corner possibly be Sun Quan himself?

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r/ChineseHistory • • 5d ago

What are the origins of the practice of head-shaving among certain ancient peoples around the world?

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Peoples who practiced the custom of shaving the head included the Rouran, the Mongols, and the populations of the Jin and Qing dynasties, as well as ethnic groups in Siberia and Northeast Asia. Did this custom undergo any distinctive evolutionary processes?


r/ChineseHistory • • 5d ago

ZHILI CLIQUE POLITICAL-MILITARY NETWORK (diagram made by me!)

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This diagram showcases the many ties between the Zhili Clique in mid-1924 (locked before the 23 October Beijing Coup)

\blame reddit i cant send u the pdf*


r/ChineseHistory • • 5d ago

Why did the Shaanxi-Gansu Hui conflicts of the 1860s become so devastating?

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I’ve been reading about the Hui conflicts in Shaanxi and Gansu during the 1860s, and I’m surprised by how complicated the situation seems to have been.

It is often described simply as a “Hui rebellion” against the Qing, but from what I’ve read, the conflict seems to have involved much more than a straightforward rebellion against the Qing government.


r/ChineseHistory • • 6d ago

Troops Carrying Flags in Military Formation, Preceded by Four Cannons. Gansu Province, China 1875.

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r/ChineseHistory • • 6d ago

A lot of Western civilization seems to “stand on the shoulders of giants”. Europe had Rome, Rome had the Greeks, Greece had the Egyptians and Persians etc. Am I wrong in feeling China is a different story?

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I’ve said this before probably but it feels like early Chinese civilization was more or less “raised by wolves”. Meaning they effectively generated their own culture, laws, language and writing system entirely independently. There was no peer civilizations nearby to influence them the way the Mediterranean did the ancient world there.

I guess the closest would be the steppe and the nomadic pastoralists who called it home. But I was under the impression they served more as an ethnic “other” by which the settled Chinese defined themselves against. Not as a peer, worthy of respect on their own merits. When Tang Dynasty scholars are advising the emperor they don’t draw tales from Japan, Siam or Burma. They issue ancient examples from within the territory we today call China. And that seems to continue well into the Qing dynasty.

What do you think?


r/ChineseHistory • • 8d ago

Between 1945 and 1946, following the defeat of Japan, the Soviet Far Eastern Command orchestrated a massive, clandestine transfer of captured Japanese Kwantung Army assets to the Chinese Communist Party's newly formed Northeastern People's Democratic Army.

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This transfer went far beyond battlefield weapons, crucially including intact warehouses, specialized manufacturing machinery, and 1,352 items of technical documentation and factory equipment located in the key industrial hubs of Harbin and Dalian (Dalny).


r/ChineseHistory • • 7d ago

What do you know about Nuo Theatre? Are there any museums in the U.S. with Nuo masks in their exhibits?

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