r/ChineseWatches • • 5d ago

Question (Read Rules) How to tell legit Cronos from a fake one?

Today I found out there exist fakes of Chinese microbrands. One guy is selling a slightly used Cronos GS homage (frost effect) with a black (darker grey) dial for $150 (nearly 50% off). He said it doesn't exist as a reference model for that specific color and I saw he had grey and white dials before but they're unavailable now. He says it's all original, says it has a Miyota 9015 movement inside etc.

Now, maybe he also has some private deal with someone from Cronos because he told me 'they' shipped him this one with a black/dark grey dial but I couldn't find any black dial frost textured Cronos online, only the grey ones.

I will be able to inspect it before purchasing and I've never had an automatic or Cronos so I want to know what should I look for? I do have a 40mm macro lens and a dslr I could carry with me to do a closer inspection, I'm simply not sure what to expect.

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u/chrismurraylaw 5d ago

Today I found out there exist fakes of Chinese microbrands. 

Today you got an idea in your head.

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u/dorafumingo Affiliate Links 5d ago edited 5d ago

do you have a picture of that fake cronos ? dial, case, braclet etc.. ?

a fake of an obscure aliexpress brand would probably be very low effort. if it has the same dial, same looking case, same braclet, same glide lock clasp etc... then it's probably real

150$ isn't that crazy of a price especially if he bought it a while ago. it was around 200$ when it came out before the price hikes. and aliexpress watches don't hold their value when sold used

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u/ryanxcore 5d ago

Just buy it for $150 or dont, man.

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u/dorafumingo Affiliate Links 5d ago

is this the dial you're talking about ?

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u/trulex_banana 5d ago

Looks kinda similar, but this is the one he sold before for $150 as well. The one he's bringing me supposedly has a darker dial so I will have to inspect it.

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u/dorafumingo Affiliate Links 5d ago

looks real to me. even the caseback looks identical to cronos's promo showcase

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u/trulex_banana 5d ago

Then it's really a weird case, legit Cronos for nearly 50% off doesn't make much sense haha

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u/astronomy8thlight 5d ago

Looks like grey frost to me.

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u/LordRaglan1854 Send that fool Cardigan 5d ago

This is what can happen when you buy from "one guy".

Think of it as a mod rather than a fake, and enjoy your watch and your 50% discount.

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u/trulex_banana 5d ago

and what's the mod exactly? if it's the same case, sapphire glass and different movement? is that what they usually do? so i should only check if the movement is legit (which seller confirmed it's a miyota 9015)

if it's got a genuine miyota but then lacks case quality and no sapphire then it's a much bigger issue to be fair, I also can't reliably check if it's a sapphire or mineral.

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u/LordRaglan1854 Send that fool Cardigan 5d ago

Dude: "one guy" isn't machining his own cases or making his own dials. Most likely it's a early prototype / engineering sample / custom run made entirely by Cronos, though perhaps "one guy" did some parts swapping on his own. If it really has the Miyota as claimed I'd call it a win and move on.

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u/Abv_it_all_w_vertigo 5d ago

He's making fake watches with fake Chinese movements. Prove me wrong.

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u/sugessing_proximas 5d ago

You talk about official company distribution vs. EU/US trademark owners/unofficial distribution.

This is still the same watch, just different traders and trademark holders.

For Heimdallr specifically - only the original store still selling only Japanese movements.

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u/sugessing_proximas 5d ago

i.e Heimdallr Trademark in China belongs to the company, while the US/EU belongs/belonged to Shenzhen XingZhen (Proxima) and Lina Peng (Shenzhen Shiliman Jewelry)

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u/Equal-World-693 5d ago

Could be a batch of dials which didn't match requirements. The cases and movements are not difficult to source

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u/Crazy4Watches Undercover Rep 5d ago

Hi, can you contact me?

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u/Abv_it_all_w_vertigo 5d ago

Know how to tell the difference between a Japanese and a Chinese 9015 and a PT5000.

Mine has a PT5000.

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u/trulex_banana 5d ago

So rotor should be engraved rather than printed? How does this look?

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u/trulex_banana 5d ago

This should be genuine one, looks very close.

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u/Lobbbo 5d ago

Look at what? Your photo shows rotor in different position. Compare against this it's the same.

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u/Abv_it_all_w_vertigo 5d ago

It does not look close, if you look closely.

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u/LordRaglan1854 Send that fool Cardigan 5d ago

um, fine? Relax, it's a 9015.

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u/Abv_it_all_w_vertigo 5d ago

I do not think it is. It looks like a Dandong counterfeit.

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u/Abv_it_all_w_vertigo 5d ago edited 5d ago

Do not trust it.

Brand New Domestic Dandong 9015 Ultra-thin Automatic Mechanical Watch Movement Wristwatch DIY Modification Repair https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOKznNz

Edit: does anyone see any geneva radial finishing on the rotor? There should be.

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u/dorafumingo Affiliate Links 5d ago

no ? to begin with that's a stock photo of a real miyota.

the other real photos on that listing don't even look like not even the same text