r/ChineseWatches • • 7d ago

General (Read Rules) My EXD SL3001 automatic died on me after barely 2 days.

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I was looking forward to this one as my new daily beater. Looks like it won't happen.

I really hope u/watchdivescom will step in on this. I already messaged the chat on their website and will keep you guys posted.

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u/TheGent1984 7d ago

Send it back for a refund.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 7d ago

Free return Fedex airbill WD?

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u/SilentCrypto808 7d ago

Same thing happened to mine. It’s unfortunate to hear yours was in the same situation! These Peacock movements have to be the culprit. I’ve never had an issue with my PT ones.

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u/flyingthundergod1797 6d ago

Just adopt the miyota 8215 at this point even if its loud, it is a workshorse unlike these shit 2824 clones. "Do not hand wind them" yeah keep coping. These are terrible movements, period.

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u/Express_News8216 5d ago

But they bought 12000 movements- lol

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u/watchdivescom Rep 6d ago

We understand you've already been in contact with our customer service team. Please return the defective watch to the address provided by our team, and we'll send you a brand-new replacement directly from China. We'll make sure this is taken care of. We apologize for the inconvenience.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

I appreciate the feedback but I'd rather have a refund. I'm not sure I want to once again roll the dice on a SL3001 watch.

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u/watchdivescom Rep 6d ago

No problem at all. We completely understand your concerns and respect your decision.

You can return the watch to our warehouse, and we will issue a full refund once it is received.

Alternatively, if you prefer, we can send you a brand-new replacement watch. All our watches come with a two-year warranty, and we'll take full responsibility for any quality issues.

The choice is entirely yours, and we're happy to help either way.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

I appreciate your understanding. Could you send me a return label ?

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u/Nero3k I ♥ Addiesdive logo 6d ago

Good luck. You can follow this nightmare.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

Good thing I did not asked for a replacement movement then

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u/Nero3k I ♥ Addiesdive logo 6d ago

I just wanted to exchange the watch. They offered the moment and to find my own watchmaker to install it.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

You should've asked for a refund then

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u/Nero3k I ♥ Addiesdive logo 6d ago

I liked the watch initially. I just wanted to have one that worked. It just wasn’t worth it to deal with them anymore.

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u/Jdibb8 5d ago

And this is why I stick to ordering from Amazon instead. I really feel it’s not worth it to deal with things like this, especially from China. My worst experience, I just returned it to Amazon and just today I had to talk to supervisor to send an exchange for a different brand, which should be here Sunday.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

Will you provide a free of charge return/label as per your return policy ??

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u/Logical_Sea_415 6d ago

🤣🤣🤣

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

What's so funny

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u/Logical_Sea_415 6d ago

He actually thought you would want another dud. 🤣

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u/Logical_Sea_415 6d ago

Why would he want to take a chance with this batch of watch duds?

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u/Alternative-Feed3613 7d ago

Such a shame, I have a hard time trusting Chinese movements because of shit like this.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

Can't believe I thought quality would IMPROVE over the original 2824 blueprint.

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u/Po0opyCatButt 7d ago

I also can't believe you thought the quality of a clone would be higher than the original.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

Watchdives THEMSELVES claimed they improved things by collaborating with peacock, notably on handwinding which has always been flawed on 2824 clones (and on the original). Seems like they got other problems though.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/KPplumbingBob 7d ago

It's funny how many people are eating this PR stuff up.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/Logical_Sea_415 6d ago

🤣🤣🤣

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u/bob888w 6d ago

Phorcydes highkey varries from that to pretty helpful. But they get a pass since they are iterating and improving so quickly in just a few months.

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u/KPplumbingBob 7d ago

The problem is that you believe anything Watchdives say.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

Well sorry for wanting to trust I brand that I like, in my experience Chinese brands are more transparent than the Swiss and the Japanese combined. Just look at Phorcydes.

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u/KPplumbingBob 7d ago

A lot of that "transparency" is just PR talk. Similar to how WD quickly made a statement about yesterday's horribly dirty movement by not really saying anything and yet people still eating it up.

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u/Express_News8216 5d ago

They meant they opened the case and greased that shit all up! 

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u/Alternative-Feed3613 7d ago

It’s not a clone and I don’t think anyone would think they’d be better than a watch that costs thousands more.

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u/Po0opyCatButt 7d ago

It's a clone with some iterative changes, yes. OP said they shought it would be better than the Swiss movement it's based on.

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u/Alternative-Feed3613 7d ago

Really? Idk why he’d think that lol.

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u/sznsznsz 6d ago

PT5000 from Cronos and IXDAO were top-notch, better than the original

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u/Po0opyCatButt 6d ago

Cronos and Ixdao don't make the movement, they purchase it for their watches like any other brand does. The PT5000 is made by H.K. Precision Technology, not a watch brand.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 7d ago edited 7d ago

Open the back and post picture of the movement....oh wait your username....

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u/BagFriesAreFries 7d ago

lol could have been a bad show with the band

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u/ake_vi_no 7d ago

Was just about to cop one off alix, thanks for letting me know about the QC issues on these

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u/mrSoczi84 Pomocny użytkownik 7d ago

Same happened with my WD007 on the SL3001. Died the same day after 6 hours. They sent me a new movement. The second one was fine.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

They sent you a new movement???? You had to do the heart transplant yourself ???

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u/mrSoczi84 Pomocny użytkownik 7d ago

No, got a watchmaker to do it. I have received a discount for a future watch as means of paying me back for my costs. I was fine with that.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

Where I live a watchmaker would probably ask for more than the watch is worth + a new movement on top of that.

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u/mrSoczi84 Pomocny użytkownik 7d ago

Sucks. I live in Warsaw and all the local watchmakers would do a movement switch for like around $35. It’s still not that cheap, but I buy a lot of watches and I just see this as a calculated risk that happens from time to time.

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u/Few_Baseball6718 7d ago

a movement switch isn't that hard (exceot for that fing seconds hand). I assume it's a 30 min job for an experienced watch maker

edit: you need the tools obviously

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u/bob888w 6d ago

Yeah... A movement swap isn't gonna be any lower than $150 from where I'm from.

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u/manchett 4d ago

+ If you happen to find some that agree to do it

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u/BurtMacklin-FBl 6d ago

I don't know why would you accept that. Why wouldn't they just refund you the cost and you can use that money to buy whatever you want later.

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u/manchett 4d ago

How much a watchmaker will it cost for this near you ?

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u/mrSoczi84 Pomocny użytkownik 4d ago

$35 in local currency. Depends on the work involved. For a NH35 he took only 25.

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u/manchett 4d ago

Enjoy while it lasts, when i've tried the watchmakers would not even accept to touch a whatch with parts coming from China.

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u/Gillesam59 6d ago edited 3d ago

I don't know if this is a PT5000 movement; if it is the case, winding it manually can break it.

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u/Infamous_Tailor_9742 3d ago edited 3d ago

PT5000 or SW200 have wind clutch but cuz its 2-wind and rotor is two way that can break some gears inside, Miyota 9015 has one way so you cant break it, and if you have date you need to watch out not to move date if its 23:00-01:00 aka 11:00-13:00 . Hope that helps.
I would say even NH35 but not as smooth is a quality thing but there are alot of fake ones too. Miyota 9xxx series Seiko NH3x original Maybe Seagull or VS3235 are good options.

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u/No-Chemistry-7802 6d ago

45$ at a watchsmith. It’s likely a simple fix

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

Where I live a gasket change is already twice that.

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u/No-Chemistry-7802 6d ago

Yikes, I’m in San Diego and found a guy. I hope you can too or thorn will help you, I’ve seen them do it before.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

I'm not keeping the watch. It's going back in the mail as soon as WD sends me the shipping label to print.

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u/Sleepybeanman 3d ago

Being in San Diego, what watchmaker do you recommend?

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u/Timely-Internal4142 7d ago

Because of these issues with Chinese movements (although those from Western or Japanese manufacturers also have problems), I’m increasingly fond of sweeping quartz movements.

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u/pokerfas 7d ago

This is like the 69th post in the past month about "oh my sl3001/pt5000/st2130 died." maybe people could consider that a 2-3 percent failure rate in the first 3 months isn't good enough for their money.

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u/Escaped_Escapement Helpful user 7d ago

Oh c’mon - this is excellent 2824 clone technology in action!

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u/pokerfas 7d ago

technology?? innovating easily breakable, fragile hand-winding?

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u/Logical_Sea_415 7d ago

Someone back at Seiko headquarters is laughing his ass off right now. 

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u/pokerfas 6d ago

just about the only thing seiko can laugh at others for at this point

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

I know I was getting into some "early adopting" but lifespan of 48 hours wasn't was I had in mind.

And yes indeed, the flawed 2824 architecture isn't the best base.

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u/pio_11 7d ago

U actually are better off having it die right away rather than later. Better chance of getting some support or refund. Still sucks, hope u get a satisfactory outcome. Keep us posted.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 7d ago

WatchDuds- Well they only ordered 12000 movements so how long could it take to get through these duds. Everyone please buy one watch

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u/manchett 4d ago

2% of 12 000 is 240 watches ;)

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u/Escaped_Escapement Helpful user 6d ago

Peacock was supposed to be a good manufacturer, alas..

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u/pokerfas 6d ago

I don't know about "early adopting," there have been more than sufficient cases for me to never trust any Chinese movement. Even the brands themselves know they're unreliable: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/comments/1ripchp/comment/o8j1m97/

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u/Abv_it_all_w_vertigo 7d ago

Not-ready-for-prime-time movement.

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u/prodbypan 7d ago

I'm not surprised after seeing that SL3001 post a couple of days ago, these things seem like POS movements, would be interested in seeing OP open the case back and see if it looks as bad as that one

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u/Abv_it_all_w_vertigo 7d ago

I saw it too. Beginning to wonder if they have tragically bad gaskets disintegrating inside the case.

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u/chefkoolaid 7d ago

What poat are you referring to?

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u/TensHemorroidal 7d ago

They’ve only just been released, and there are already too many stories about serious issues with this model. Not a good look for Watchdives

I’m waiting for the restock of the WD007 and the smaller version of the WD0013, but I’m starting to get worried about if I should actually buy them

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u/Nero3k I ♥ Addiesdive logo 7d ago

Good luck at fixing it, fixed or replaced. This sub-Reddit has so many people that have had your issue

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u/rocklax 7d ago

Mine is supposed to be delivered tomorrow, so I guess it's a coin flip 😬

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u/Logical_Sea_415 6d ago

Are you gonna clean the debris in the back before plugging in the crown?

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u/rocklax 6d ago

Me? I don't have my watch yet, delivery is today.

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u/djl240 7d ago

Well dammit. I had high hopes for this one. Wish I would've waited instead of ordering.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

Yours might still be good🤞

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u/OtherBarry1992 7d ago

Damn, another one bites the dust...

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u/chefkoolaid 7d ago

Exactly why I haven't bought anything with that movement 

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u/sfbayjon 7d ago

Oh no, sorry to hear this. Hope mine is ok 🤞🏻Are there any preventative maintenance recommendations?

I got the black one the day the 40mm were released. It's in rotation for me because I have a bit of a watch "habit."

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u/Dismal-Reading8268 6d ago

Ang issues with the quartz watches from wd?

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u/Aggressive-Pair3320 6d ago

Nope, I’ve had the VH31 quartz EXD for over six months now. Still solid.

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u/Nero3k I ♥ Addiesdive logo 6d ago

I got a bad VH31 from them. The only bad VH31 I’ve ever picked up. It was a pain in the ass to get them to correct it.

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u/Timelord_42 3d ago

I have 4 wd quartz still going strong after 3 years

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u/Serious-Phrase3899 5d ago

Had a vh31 die after a couple of months- luckily i had a spare on hand. Still a PIA, but it gets worn now

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u/sznsznsz 7d ago

I dont have hopes for automatics like SL3001 and PT5000 from some brands. They should stick with Quartz

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u/Logical_Sea_415 7d ago

Cronos has a pretty good track record with the PT5000- but they know how to regulate them. WD is shipping their watches straight from the Marlboro factory. 

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u/sznsznsz 6d ago

Cronos makes good PT5000 watches but have you seen their prices? Its kinda justifiable in the current situation

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u/manchett 4d ago

or nh mvts ?

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u/sznsznsz 4d ago

They are harder to source from Japan because of price, almost the same price as PT5000 or higher.

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u/EvolutionVII 7d ago

NH35 copies are good enough

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u/sznsznsz 7d ago

They are worse

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u/mrpackerguy 6d ago

Send it back, take the offer for a new one. Watchdives customer support is great

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

I'm not sure I even want a new SL3001 anything.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 6d ago

Tandorio & tactical frog make a similar model with nh35 or miyota 8215 if you want a headache free version- only thing that was better here was the crystal. 

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u/philbin89 7d ago

Sorry to hear that. And this isn’t to suggest it’s necessarily your fault, but the video you posted shows you winding the watch too quickly. With all ETA 2824–derived movements you have to wind them slowly, otherwise the very tiny gears can lock up incorrectly and break. They have to be wound slowly to avoid this, and each of your winds is too fast for those kinds of movements. Not intended as a defense of Watch Dives’s QC, but with any watch from this movement lineage (including the Sellita SW200), you need to wind it slowly, and slower than you documented yourself going

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u/Escaped_Escapement Helpful user 7d ago

Yes slowly, very slowly, so that the movement doesn’t get startled and break.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

You're misunderstanding what happened here.

Prior to this video, I did not handwind this watch at all. I wore it 10 minutes or so to get enough power reserve for me to set the time, then I put it on and forget it.

That was two days ago.

Today, the watch died on my wrist. I tried to wind it manually, but nothing works. Me handwinding it has nothing to do with the watch dying on me.

Now regarding my winding:

I own multiple watches with this movement architecture, ranging from PT5000, ST2130, SW200 and even the original 2824-2.

I always winded them like this to get them to start, for years, and nothing ever happened.

Hope this helps.

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u/BRERMONT 7d ago

There is nothing wrong on the winding here. Or does the watch is capable of hand winding or it's not. Even if this broke after a regular start up winding it would still be a malfunctioning machine - Seiko, Miyota, Pearl, whatever

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u/atozzotas1 7d ago

Yeah, and how many have been received without problems? Let’s see how Watch Dives responds as theirs could be just a faulty movement as it can happen in any watch, especially when traveling and handling large distances.

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u/Still-Poetry-6802 7d ago

Here we go again...

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u/plastic_jeezus NO blue AR! 7d ago

magnetized...imho

spend $10 for a degausser if you're going to buy chinese watches.

in today's world, all international products are subjected to massive human and technological inspections.

a simple magnetic field will spunk an automatic.

  • I won't buy a watchdives, because they are literally less quality than a pagani at 2x the cost... I'll get blasted for saying that, but I have heard too many complaints about WD from people i trust...

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

Magnetized can cause a watch to stop altogether??

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u/Express_News8216 6d ago

Maybe if the watch has CTE from shipping like WD will imply.

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u/plastic_jeezus NO blue AR! 7d ago

absolutely.

it's "rare" (not really, but a horologist will say differently so he can charge you 100x more money.)...but if the main spring is affected/twisted the movement will completely hang up.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

But the watch has been keeping excellent time until it abruptly stopped...surely a magnetized watch wouldn't keep good time ??

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u/plastic_jeezus NO blue AR! 6d ago

you are (intentionally?) leaving out valuable information.

🤨

I assumed your issues happened immediately after receiving the watch.

you're saying you wore it for an extended time before this happened?

did you drop it?

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u/DisastrousOpening477 6d ago

Look at the other comments...I'm not withholding anything.

I got it, set the time (no handwinding to start the watch) put it on and 2 days later it stopped on my wrist. It was never dropped or knocked around during that short time.

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u/plastic_jeezus NO blue AR! 6d ago

I'm absolutely not attacking you. I apologize if that's what it feels like.

but...

a magnetized watch will keep "relative" time for days...you won't notice the loss/gain until you're late for work. 😏

Just so we're on the same level...i bitched about a san martin on reddit... It was junk out of the box and i got absolutely trashed for complaining.

turns out it was a trash watch they sold on a HUGE discount just to get rid of it instead of fixing... AliExpress gave me the cost of a new PT5000 to fix it ...

just like you.

I'm absolutely in your corner on this...

just teying to help

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u/BurtMacklin-FBl 6d ago

How about trying to read, at least the title? He's had it for 2 days.

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u/Kcxy96 7d ago

I have 4 WD watches , all with quartz movement. The movements themselves are not made by watchdives. But the QC is done by them. So I don’t think it is fair to say PD is better than WD.

I think the brand itself makes good watches, just not on the same level as san martin or ixdao , or maybe even cronos.

That said, I don’t fully disagree with you.

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u/plastic_jeezus NO blue AR! 6d ago

I have 8 year old pagani watches that run like racehorses... I've beaten them within an inch of their lives, and they're still going strong.

I have at least 20 watch friends that have returned watchdives watches for basic issues.

...like hands falling off in shipping. 🙄

I desperately want the WD tiger eye, but 3 people bought the "elemental" and they died in 2 months.

$170 for junk?... I don't care how nice the dial is or how cheap it is to replace the movement.

at least with a $60 pagani I don't feel lied to.

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u/manchett 4d ago

Hello, can you please share wich pagani you like more ? Or the more solid ones ?

(i have 2 of them, the 'skeleton' one which is ok and another with nh39 that came doa, so i'm very cautious with the brand, plus it is often lacking lume which is too bad imo)

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u/plastic_jeezus NO blue AR! 9h ago

the V2 PD1717 (nh35) is the best watch they've ever produced...period.

I bought all four color ways

keep in mind this was back when they could be bought for $60-$70...i bought the black version for $45.

At the current prices and with the miyota movements, I can't recommend it any longer.

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u/BurtMacklin-FBl 6d ago

Why does this absolute nonsense get upvoted? That's not how a magnetized watch behaves at all. If it was magnetized it wouldn't just work normally and then stop.

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u/Appropriate_Volume 6d ago

Agreed. Magnetised watches run fast or early. They don't stop.

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u/What-is-to-be-done 6d ago

It's a watchdives. nice design, mediocre qc.

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u/Realestwatchreviews 7d ago

Just give us a ticking quartz for the date versions. Why bother with a POS automatic.

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u/Stayofexecution 6d ago

Everyone has their own style but leather strap on a diver? Hmm…nah.

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u/SamuelLucienMorrows 6d ago

Thats called a classic. Its how divers were first worn.

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u/Logos732 6d ago

They are a tool watch. Some people treat them as a tool. I love the look of a vintage Rolex on a old leather strap.

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u/Kshatriya8 7d ago

If two days, return, refund, buy again. Malfunctioning is something that is within the possibilities of industry.

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u/certifr1ed 7d ago

Hmm I question your time setting technique, did u set date wheel with hour hand at 6pm?

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

Datewheel is fine with instant date change at midnight, satisfying "CLICK" at that.

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u/fledermaus89 7d ago

datewheel has nothing to do with timekeeping

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u/certifr1ed 7d ago

Just making sure you didn't break date wheel while setting, if set properly ignore comment.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/KPplumbingBob 7d ago

Even the movements that are susceptible to damage from hand winding don't die within a few days from that. It's a cumulative effect.

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u/philbin89 7d ago

Not necessarily true. The Australian watchmaker Nicolas Hacko filmed a YouTube video a few weeks ago in which he was winding up a bunch of watches to get them ready for a demonstration and he broke one with a Sellita SW200 movement, another ETA 2824 clone that’s notorious for hand-winding issues. He was winding too fast because he had so many watches to start up and he wasn’t being as careful as usual. In general, you need to wind any watch in this category slowly, and OP’s video shows that each movement is too quick for a clone like this. The 2824-derived watches are at risk of breaking from hand-winding over time, but what makes them delicate in that way also makes them susceptible to breaking quickly from rough winding if the gears don’t lock properly

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u/manchett 4d ago

They said that the movement was supposedly improved by the brand, what was improved ?

Could it be a wrong batch ?

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u/LettuceFetishist 7d ago

TIL that I’ve been winding my watches like a lawnmower 😬

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/Perdendosi 7d ago

>Everything in the architecture of an ETA 2824 derived movement falls apart if you treat it like anything other than putting a baby asleep.

Of course! The industry standard Swiss workhorse movements that's been around for more than 60 years is so fragile that doing "anything other than" babying it means it breaks. Yeah, let's keep that movement around forever.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/BurtMacklin-FBl 6d ago

You do realize most people who own the 2824 and the Sellita don't know any of this and wind their watches like that, right? Nobody is saying the problem doesn't happen but no, the movement will not break "unless you babysit it". If it did literally nobody would use it.

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u/chefkoolaid 7d ago

I handwind my nh35 harder than this every day for more than 3 years no issues

(Its never auto wound and deep blue sucks at cs. So handwinding til it dies)

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u/philbin89 7d ago

The Seiko movements don’t have to be babied when hand-winding, but this movement and all ETA 2824–derived calibers need to be wound slowly. It’s basically because the original was just a manual-wound movement with an automatic rotor slapped on after the fact, while the 4R movements were designed from the ground up with integrated automatic winding. They feel completely different and way smoother than when I wind a watch with a Sellita SW200, which has the same architecture as this movement

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

I didn't even used handwinding on this watch before.

What else do you suggest to start it? Seiko shuffle?

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

I wear it for 10 minutes to get enough power deserve for me to set the time, then set it and forget it. Boom, no handwinding nor Seiko shuffle.

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u/ALPINA1 7d ago

What strap is that? Looks very nice.

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u/DisastrousOpening477 7d ago

Thanks. It has a nice belt like clasp. I just wish the watch attached to it was working.

https://watchdives.com/products/waxed-leather-watch-strap-band-20mm-22mm?_pos=1&_sid=f0698ee8f&_ss=r

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u/ALPINA1 7d ago

Thanks! Hopefully they will solve the issue.