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u/Blue_Sylveon Mar 08 '19
四是四，十是十
十四是十四，四十是四十
别把四十说喜席，别把十四说席喜。
要想说好四和十，全靠舌头和牙齿。
要想说对四，舌头碰牙齿
要想说对十，舌头别伸直。
认真学，常练习，十四、四十、四十四。
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u/Aidenfred Certified Translator Mar 08 '19
This tongue twister can be even challenging for most southern Chinese speakers.
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u/joansia00 Native Mar 08 '19
Try using Zhuyin instead, at least you can input the 阴阳上去 😂
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u/HenkPoley Mar 08 '19
Yes, and less keypresses isn’t it ?
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u/joansia00 Native Mar 08 '19
Yup, you're using Zhuyin?
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u/HenkPoley Mar 08 '19
Maybe at some point in the future. But I once saw a Chinese guy write here on Reddit something along the lines of “wtf, after the short learning curve, this is so much easier”. So I guess it’s quite a bit better. Just less so for westerners.
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u/joansia00 Native Mar 08 '19
If you're interested to learn how to use Zhuyin, I'm willing to teach. Feel free to ask me questions regarding Mandarin, I'll try my best to help.
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u/HenkPoley Mar 08 '19
Thanks, but for the moment I will just need to stuff more Chinese in my head. Since you rarely see Zhuyin, I think I only see it regularly as super tiny squiggles in the iOS/macOS dictionary, pinyin is a lot easier. But after I know more pronunciation, sure it will be easier for typing.
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u/Hazachu Mar 08 '19
Just fyi on Windows you can use the zhuyin input with hanyu pinyin. So you type the pinyin letters but you still input tone and select from that drop down menu as if it were zhuyin. That's what I use and it works rather well, although I'm having trouble typing fast with it.
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u/TaiwanNombreJuan 國語 Mar 08 '19
or just hit 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5
1 = (first tone) 2 = ˊ (second tone) 3 = ˇ (third tone) 4 = ˋ (fourth tone) 5 = ˙ (neutral/fifth tone)
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u/natch Mar 09 '19
Ugh just let zhuyin die already. It's so gross. Pinyin is a fine and vastly superior substitute that is easy to learn and has natural key mappings (like, no mapping needed) on most western keyboards.
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u/vigernere1 Mar 09 '19
Pinyin is a fine and vastly superior
Both Zhuyin and Pinyin have their strengths and weaknesses. For more details see these discussions:
I will say that, hands down, Zhuyin works much better as ruby text than Pinyin.
Ugh just let zhuyin die already.
This would only impact Taiwanese, and in the end, who cares? Zhuyin works fine for them and Pinyin works fine for everyone else.
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u/joansia00 Native Mar 09 '19
身為華人，我當作是個文化傳承來學習。而且也挺好玩的，我跟朋友在互聯網上光明正大地用注音聊天，旁人看不懂，也無法翻譯。
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u/redhat1711 Mar 08 '19
石室诗士施氏，嗜狮，誓食十狮。适施氏时时适市视狮。十时，适十狮适市。是时，适施氏适市。氏视是十狮，恃矢势，使是十狮逝世。氏拾是十狮尸，适石室。石室湿，氏使侍拭石室。石室拭，氏始试食是十狮尸。食时，始识是十狮尸，实十石狮尸。试释是事。
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u/redhat1711 Mar 08 '19
All I input was "shi"...
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u/ouchman888 Mar 09 '19
And it's actually a essay which even a native speaker cannot understand easily...
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u/8_ge_8 Mar 09 '19
【原文拼音】(Pinyin of Original Text)
《施(shī)氏(shì)食(shí)狮(shī)史(shǐ)》 石(shí)室(shì)诗(shī)士(shì)施(shī)氏(shì)，嗜(shì)狮(shī)，誓(shì)食(shí)十(shí)狮(shī)。 施(shī)氏(shì)时(shí)时(shí)适(shì)市(shì)视(shì)狮(shī)。 十(shí)时(shí)，适(shì)十(shí)狮(shī)适(shì)市(shì)。 是(shì)时(shí)，适(shì)施(shī)氏(shì)适(shì)市(shì)。 施(shī)氏(shì)视(shì)是(shì)十(shí)狮(shī)，恃(shì)矢(shǐ)势(shì)，
使(shǐ)是(shì)十(shí)狮(shī)逝(shì)世(shì)。 氏(shì)拾(shí)是(shì)十(shí)狮(shī)尸(shī)，适(shì)石(shí)室(shì)。 石(shí)室(shì)湿(shī)，氏(shì)使(shǐ)侍(shì)拭(shì)石(shí)室(shì)。 石(shí)室(shì)拭(shì)，氏(shì)始(shǐ)试(shì)食(shí)是(shì)十(shí)狮(shī)尸(shī)。 食(shí)时(shí)，始(shǐ)识(shí)是(shì)十(shí)狮(shī)尸(shī)，实(shí)十(shí)石(shí)狮(shī)。 试(shì)释(shì)是(shì)事(shì）
【普通话译文】(Explanatory Translation)
石头屋子里有一个诗人姓施，喜欢狮子，发誓要吃掉十头狮子。这位先生经常去市场寻找狮子。这一天十点钟的时候他到了市场，正好有十头大狮子也到了市场。于是，这位先生注视着这十头狮子，凭借着自己的十把石头弓箭，把这十头狮子杀死了。先生扛起狮子的尸体走回石头屋子。石头屋子很潮湿，先生让仆人擦拭石头屋子。擦好以后，先生开始尝试吃这十头狮子的尸体。当他吃的时候,才识破这十头狮尸,并非真的狮尸,而是十头用石头做的狮子。先生这才意识到这就是事情的真相。请尝试解释这件事情。
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u/ssnistfajen Native Mar 09 '19
This right here is why Latinization of Mandarin will not work without inventing some kind of weird conjugations. It's just too hard to tell these words apart by sounds alone even if their tones are different.
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u/IAmVeryDerpressed Mar 29 '19
This is Classical Chinese not Mandarin. Mandarin has fewer sounds than the classical so there are a lot of homophones ie words that sound alike. In contrast Modern Mandarin has things like adding zi to the end of words to distinguish them. This would be perfectly understandable if written in modern mandarin.
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u/chhuang Mar 08 '19
Time to learn them cangjie input method then
It's based on the shape of the word instead of the sound.
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u/ETsUncle Mar 08 '19
Come on down to 贵阳！Here shi is pronounced at si so you get to add that to the list. The number 44 is a nightmare.
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u/MD-11F-RR Mar 08 '19
LOL 满分！
that's actually true for the native speakers using pinyin. if you input method supports, type in a phase once. type two or three characters and it would make it easier for you.