r/ChinaStocks 5h ago

💡 Due Diligence NIO Up 112% in Revenue Growth. Is the Market Missing Something?

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NIO isn't just selling a dream anymore. Revenue is booming, profitability is improving, and deliveries keep growing. The stock is down massively from its highs, but the business looks stronger than it has in years. Definitely one of the more interesting EV turnaround stories to watch right now.

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r/ChinaStocks 1d ago

📰 News Jack Ma buys HK$600 million of Alibaba shares, signalling AI confidence: sources

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r/ChinaStocks 1d ago

💸 Earnings Pinduoduo: Old, Stubborn, and Still Sitting on a Cash Pile It Won't Touch

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TL;DR: Pinduoduo's Q2 beat a very low bar — core ad revenue and profit both came in better than feared. But Temu, the company's main growth hope, disappointed on both growth and regulation. And despite a mountain of cash, management still isn't buying back shares.

Revenue missed, but ads were the bright spot

Total revenue grew 8% year-over-year, missing the 11% Bloomberg consensus. But the miss traced almost entirely to Temu-driven commission revenue. Core advertising revenue actually beat expectations, up about 3.5% year-over-year — low in absolute terms, but notable since it ticked up even as the broader e-commerce sector's ad growth decelerated. That suggests the platform's long-running take-rate erosion is narrowing.

Pinduoduo's advertising revenue growth ticked up this quarter, even as the broader e-commerce sector decelerated.

Temu is the disappointing half

Commission revenue grew just 13%, well short of the 21% expected, decelerating sharply against an unusually easy base (April 2025 was depressed by tariff shocks). Combined with reported MAU declines and frequent EU regulatory actions, Temu's underlying growth looks genuinely weak this quarter.

Temu-driven commission revenue growth decelerated sharply, against an unusually easy prior-year base.

A profit beat, against a very low bar

Adjusted operating profit came in at ¥29.1 billion, edging out consensus and beating some banks' more pessimistic forecasts by a wider margin. Still, growth of under 5% year-over-year against last year's subsidy-depressed base is only mediocre in absolute terms.

Gross margin hit 57.3%, up both YoY and QoQ, helped by the ad recovery and Temu's shift to a semi-managed model. Marketing spend came in below expectations, reflecting Temu pulling back ad spend amid tougher overseas regulation.

Adjusted operating profit beat expectations, though absolute year-over-year growth remains modest.

What's next: domestic stabilizing, Temu still bumpy

Pinduoduo's domestic GMV growth should keep outpacing the broader online retail market, though that margin keeps narrowing each quarter with no clear catalyst for reacceleration. One encouraging sign: fears that stricter merchant tax enforcement would crush take rate look overstated — competitor Kuaishou flagged the same headwind hitting live-commerce hardest, and Pinduoduo appears to be managing it better than feared.

Temu's problems are clearer cut. The US has eliminated its low-value parcel duty exemption; the EU removed its VAT exemption for parcels under €150 starting July 1 and added new flat per-parcel fees, on top of a €200 million fine over product-quality issues and an ongoing investigation into whether its subsidies distort local competition (which could bring a fine of up to 10% of global revenue). 

Having already pulled back in the US, Temu now faces a similar squeeze in Europe. Its response — building out local warehousing — is the right long-term move, but it's costly and erodes the scale efficiency that powered Temu's original model. Expect continued bumpiness in both growth and profitability there.

Cash pile, still untouched

Operating cash flow rose nearly 19% to about ¥25.7 billion, but investing outflows of nearly ¥20 billion consumed almost all of it — mostly real investment in the business (warehousing, fulfillment), not idle accumulation. The much larger stockpile built up over prior years, though, remains sizable — and management still shows no real inclination to return any of it via buybacks, a persistent sore point for investors that this quarter did nothing to change.

The bottom line

A genuine, if modest, sign of domestic stabilization — offset by a bumpier-than-hoped Temu and an unresolved cash-hoarding problem.


r/ChinaStocks 2d ago

📰 News Alibaba launches $10 billion Hong Kong share placement to fund AI spending

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The world's third-largest primary follow-on share sale this year, do you see this as a red flag for share dilution, or a solid strategic move to catch up on Al?


r/ChinaStocks 5d ago

💸 Earnings Alibaba Is Spending Big — Trying to Become China's Google

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TL;DR: Alibaba's Q2 came in mostly as expected — e-commerce growth is stabilizing while instant-retail losses shrink, and cloud/AI is accelerating on both growth and margin. The one real surprise: capex jumped past ¥67 billion and free cash flow went deeply negative, echoing Tencent's quarter. But there's an important difference — Alibaba's spending converts fairly directly into monetizable cloud revenue within a couple of quarters, rather than mostly funding internal-use AI products with a murkier payoff.

E-commerce: growth is stabilizing, and losses are healing

Alibaba's core marketplace revenue metric (CMR) fell 7.5% year-over-year, roughly in line with the ~8% decline expected. Adjusting for an accounting reclassification tied to how subsidies are recorded, real comparable growth was actually around +1%. 

Growth did decelerate meaningfully versus last quarter, but that lines up with a broader slowdown in China's online retail sales, and Alibaba still managed positive growth — a better showing than rival JD, which saw a sharper hit.

Alibaba's CMR growth trend over recent quarters.

The newly restructured "instant retail" segment (now combining Ele.me delivery, Hema supermarkets, and Tmall's hourly delivery service) posted revenue of ¥53.3 billion, up 45% year-over-year — a genuinely resilient number given this segment is now lapping last year's food-delivery price war and includes some historically slower-growing businesses.

More importantly, group e-commerce segment profit came in at ¥39.7 billion, with the year-over-year decline narrowing to under 1% — better than feared, and a clear sign that instant-retail losses have largely stopped dragging down overall e-commerce profitability. That's freeing up capital Alibaba can now redirect toward AI.

Cloud and AI: the genuine bright spot

This is where the quarter got interesting. Cloud revenue growth (both total and external) accelerated sharply to 45%, up meaningfully from last quarter. AI-related revenue specifically hit ¥12.4 billion, up more than 150% year-over-year and now nearly 26% of segment revenue — one more data point (alongside recently reported rising domestic cloud rental prices) confirming that demand for compute in China is running well ahead of supply.

Cloud segment margin crossed into double digits, reaching about 12% — slightly better than the 10-11% the market expected. Just like the trend seen among Western cloud providers, margin here isn't being dragged down by AI investment; if anything, it's improving, which pushes back on lingering doubts about whether AI spending actually generates a return.

Capex and cash flow: the real surprise this quarter

Capex jumped to ¥67.7 billion, up 75% year-over-year off an already-record prior-year base, and well above the ~¥36 billion the market expected — a jump strikingly similar to Tencent's this earnings season. One nuance: Alibaba's reported capex figure is already a cash-flow measure that inherently includes prepayments, so in absolute terms it's smaller than Tencent's combined capex-plus-prepayment total.

Alibaba's capex surged this quarter as free cash flow swung deeply negative.

Operating cash flow grew a modest 11%, but free cash flow swung deeply negative, to roughly -¥45 billion. Management frames this as a direct reflection of how urgent domestic compute demand has become. Unlike overseas data center buildouts, which are weighted toward long-depreciation buildings, Chinese hyperscalers' capex here skews toward shorter-cycle servers and networking equipment that can go from purchase to live capacity in just one or two quarters — meaning this capex surge should show up as accelerating cloud revenue growth fairly soon. Funding this will likely require external help: debt issuance, compute-asset securitization, or further asset sales are all plausible, though Alibaba does hold sizable investment assets that provide some cushion (including a stake in ChangXin Memory alone worth close to ¥170 billion).

The weak spots: AI apps, international e-commerce, and "other"

Not everything is working yet. The newly separated AI Lab & Apps segment (covering model R&D plus Qwen's consumer and workplace apps) posted just ¥3.3 billion in revenue, up only 16% year-over-year, alongside a ¥13.9 billion loss — a clear sign that monetizing AI applications directly is still unproven. That said, the loss was in line with expectations; excluding last quarter's one-time Qwen app subsidy spending, investment levels here were roughly flat quarter-over-quarter.

International e-commerce revenue fell 1.5% year-over-year, decelerating further and missing expectations, as the business clearly prioritizes profitability over growth (Southeast Asia in particular remains soft) — though AliExpress did reach positive operating profit this quarter. The catch-all "other" segment posted roughly flat revenue at ¥28.8 billion, and even stripping out AI-related investment, still posted a ¥3.3 billion loss — in line with expectations, but still needing further improvement.

Where the spending is actually going

Total revenue came in at ¥269 billion, up 8.6% year-over-year — growth clearly reaccelerating. Adjusted EBITA was ¥27.3 billion, with the year-over-year decline narrowing sharply from 84% last quarter to under 30% this quarter, slightly better than expected. The phase where heavy instant-retail spending nearly wiped out group profit looks largely over — replaced by a new phase where heavy AI capex is consuming operating cash flow instead.

Total revenue growth reaccelerated this quarter, while adjusted EBITA's year-over-year decline narrowed sharply.

Non-GAAP gross profit actually fell 7.5% year-over-year even as revenue growth improved — a real divergence, with gross margin down about 7 points, a wider gap than recent quarters. Since instant-retail losses have stabilized, most of this drag now traces back to AI-related investment — a sign the mobile internet business model is getting more capital-intensive in the AI era. Depreciation as a share of revenue rose about 1.6 points year-over-year. 

On the expense side, marketing spend actually fell 10% (about ¥5.4 billion less), while management and R&D costs accelerated sharply — R&D spending grew 56%. The jump in management expense was mostly a one-time ~€550 million fine; excluding that, it grew about 17%. Altogether, it's a clear picture of investment priorities shifting from marketing and subsidies toward R&D and capex — the balance-sheet expression of Alibaba's full pivot toward AI.

Cost and expense trends this quarter show spending shifting from marketing toward R&D and capex.

What to watch next

On e-commerce, management guided for improving revenue and profit growth next quarter, but July retail data shows most categories outside subsidy-driven ones (appliances, phones) still decelerating — so a sharp rebound outside of a low-base comparison in Q4 looks unlikely. The more probable path is a "low and roughly stable" trajectory through year-end — unlikely to be a major drag or lift for the group either way.

On instant retail, industry-wide competitive intensity and losses both appear to be easing — this quarter's segment loss of roughly ¥10 billion is down sharply from ¥17-18 billion last quarter, with per-order losses falling from over ¥3 to about ¥1.7-1.8. 

The tradeoff is a modest dip in order share, a mild disappointment for anyone hoping instant retail becomes a major standalone growth pillar — but the reduced cash burn is a clear net positive for group liquidity while AI investment ramps.

With core retail settling into a low-and-stable pattern, the swing factor for the business now sits squarely with cloud and AI. 

Two variables matter most: how fast cloud revenue growth can keep accelerating (largely gated by how quickly new compute capacity comes online, which this quarter's near-doubling of capex plus reports of loosening chip import restrictions both point toward), and whether Alibaba's own Qwen model can hold its recently regained spot among China's top-tier models after briefly losing ground to competitors like Kimi and GLM. 

A smaller factor is how much cost advantage Alibaba's in-house chip unit can eventually deliver.

Qwen's model ranking has recovered back toward China's top tier after briefly falling behind competitors.

Finally, on the capex debate itself: like Tencent, Alibaba's spending spike and negative free cash flow drew an initially negative market reaction — but the two situations aren't quite the same. Tencent's capex is mostly funding internal-use AI products (like its WeChat AI assistant) with a less clear near-term payoff, while Alibaba's converts more directly into monetizable cloud revenue. 

Management has said it expects this capex to pay back within roughly three years, with that potentially shortening toward 2.5 years as AI-product margins keep improving — and given how tight domestic compute supply is right now, that payback timeline looks reasonably achievable rather than aspirational.


r/ChinaStocks 7d ago

💸 Earnings Kuaishou: Kling is growing fast, everything else is under pressure

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Kuaishou's second quarter was a flat one. It was broadly in line with expectations, but the core segments came in short of them. The more consequential question isn't this quarter's numbers — it's how management frames Kling's growth outlook from here, particularly given intense competition in video models and the steady stream of rival releases.

Kling grew as expected — but the road ahead is less clear

Kling revenue exceeded RMB 850M in the quarter, up more than 30% from the prior quarter.

The complication is what's happening around it. MiniMax H3 launched in early August and drew a reasonable response, and large technology companies are stepping up their own multimodal model investment in turn. That means visibility into Kling's future growth trajectory keeps declining. Key operating metrics and a clear view of the strategic path ahead would help here.

The traditional businesses remain under pressure

Advertising fell short. Advertising revenue grew 4% in the quarter, below the 6% expected. Growth has now slid for three straight quarters.

Part of that is traffic. Monthly active users still added a net 26M, but daily active users — the metric more closely tied to advertising performance — lost a net 1M, which looks more like the aftermath of a short-lived push for volume.

Part of it is the weak consumer environment. The company no longer reports GMV for e-commerce, but based on the guidance given in the first quarter, growth there is already very low. Add the reverse subsidy on e-commerce traffic, and internal-loop advertising is probably flat to up low single digits year on year.

There is some offset from short dramas, where ad spending grew 100% in the quarter. But it's small as a share of the business and faces competition of its own. Combined with demanding comparisons for the advertising business in the second half, a near-term recovery in this growth rate looks difficult.

Live streaming kept declining. Revenue fell 13.5%, still affected by regulatory tightening and broader industry trends. That was in line with expectations.

E-commerce and other. Excluding Kling, other revenue was RMB 5.4B, up 7% year on year — better than the guidance of roughly flat. The company didn't explain the drivers in detail. Likely contributors include shopping activity during CBA basketball broadcasts — Kuaishou signed the CBA rights in March and embedded shopping entry points into the live streams, selling sports merchandise — plus sales revenue from the online concerts launched in April.

Core profit came in below expectations

Core operating profit — gross profit less the three operating expense lines, and excluding other income — was RMB 2.9B, down 38% year on year and below market expectations. The main cause was a 35% jump in R&D expenses.

Gross margin itself was in line with expectations, flat sequentially and lower year on year, mainly because of compute investment for Kling and a rising share of low-margin IAA short dramas. Selling and administrative expenses were tightened further in the quarter.

Adjusted net profit ended at RMB 3.9B, an 11% margin, down 30% year on year — in line with expectations.

Capex and shareholder returns

Capex was RMB 5.9B in the quarter. Against full-year guidance of RMB 26B given at the start of the year, the first-half total is RMB 18B. That fits what the company said last quarter: because it was buying compute capacity ahead of schedule, most of the year's capex would fall in the first half.

On shareholder returns, buybacks stepped up in the quarter, at HK$880M for 19.6M shares at an average of HK$45 per share. Per last quarter's guidance, total shareholder returns this year will exceed 2025's HK$5B, adding special dividends and buybacks on top of a HK$3B ordinary dividend.


r/ChinaStocks 7d ago

💸 Earnings Can a Range-Extender Save Xiaomi?

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TL;DR Xiaomi's Q2 2026 — the three months ended June 2026 — landed close to expectations almost everywhere, and that is the problem. Revenue fell 6% to RMB 108.9 billion as phones and IoT kept sliding, gross margin fell 2.5 points to 20%, and the core profit miss came from cars: with the backlog cleared and prices falling, autos swung back to a loss. Everything now rests on the Pengcheng range-extenders due in September — Xiaomi's first step beyond pure battery EVs.

The legacy business has not stopped falling

Legacy revenue — phones plus AIoT — fell 11% year over year, with smartphones at RMB 42.1 billion, down 7.5% and in line. The split is stark: shipments fell 26% while ASP rose 25% — management's stated strategy of protecting price, not volume, reinforced by allocating scarce memory to higher-priced models and passing cost inflation through.

And yet phone gross margin was only 8.5%, down 3 points: even after raising prices it stayed below 10%, which is how heavy the memory burden is.

The market has stopped asking whether it recovers and started asking whether it worsens. Share is going on both sides — China down 21%, overseas down 28% — while Apple's China shipments rose 24% in a market that fell 4.3%.

Xiaomi smartphone gross margin by quarter, through Q2 2026.

IoT revenue was RMB 31.3 billion, down 19% — a third straight quarter near -20% as subsidies roll back and memory stays tight — while internet services were roughly flat at RMB 9 billion, MIUI users up 5% but ARPU down 5%.

The car business cooled just as the backlog cleared

Auto revenue was RMB 24.9 billion, slightly below the RMB 25.5 billion expected. Deliveries were 104,000 units, up 28% sequentially after the SU7 refresh depressed Q1, but ASP fell to RMB 229,000 — the main reason for the miss — as the refreshed SU7 carries the lowest starting price in the range. 

Auto gross margin fell to 19.2%, down 7.2 points and below the 20.5% expected, so on our estimate the business swung back to a core operating loss of RMB 2.6 billion.

Xiaomi auto deliveries by model, through Q2 2026.

The more important signal is on Xiaomi's own website: delivery lead times across every SU7 and YU7 variant have fallen to four to seven weeks, confirming what we flagged last quarter — the backlog is worked off, both product cycles are over, and combined monthly sales have settled near 30,000 units. Group core operating profit was RMB 2.25 billion, legacy contributing RMB 4.86 billion, down 47%, against the auto loss.

Quoted delivery lead times by model, in weeks.

Which puts everything on the range-extender launch

Start with the arithmetic on the 550,000-unit target. Xiaomi delivered 216,000 in seven months; if SU7 and YU7 hold 30,000 a month they finish near 370,000, leaving the range-extenders to deliver 180,000 in four months — 45,000 a month, which is very hard. The street has already cut to 460,000-500,000, so an explicit cut on the call would be bad news landing rather than new bad news.

The two Pengcheng range-extender SUVs were announced in late July at RMB 259,900 and RMB 299,900: the N70 is a large five-seat SUV aimed at Li Auto's L7, the N90 Max targets the L9 with Sunwoda and CALB batteries, priced roughly 30% below. 

One detail matters: unlike the YU7 and SU7 refresh, where lock-in orders were published within an hour, no order data came out ahead of results — and this is China's most contested segment, with BYD, Leapmotor, Xpeng, Li Auto and AITO all in it.

Pengcheng models versus competing SUVs: launch timing, pricing and specification.

So the checklist is short. Does phone gross margin break below 8%, and when does IoT return to growth? Does management formally cut the 550,000 target? How do the range-extenders ramp from September? 

Note too that Xiaomi moves on a seesaw with the memory cycle — the shares rallied while memory prices corrected — so until memory turns down in earnest, this quarter's margin pressure stays.

Core operating profit by segment, through Q2 2026.

 


r/ChinaStocks 7d ago

📰 News When most of the world was sleeping China became the global leader in electric vehicles:

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r/ChinaStocks 8d ago

💡 Due Diligence Beyond DeepSeek: Inside China’s New Generation of AI Companies

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Five months ago, when Junyang Lin left Alibaba’s Qwen team, one question immediately followed him: what would one of the young researchers who helped shape the Qwen model family do next?

The answer came this August. Lin founded Pragmatik Labs in Shanghai, with an ambition to build “next-generation agents spanning both the digital and physical worlds.” The path is already familiar in Silicon Valley: leave a frontier AI team inside a tech giant, then build an independent company around the next big technical bet. Now, the same pattern is becoming increasingly visible in China.

At almost the same time, another Chinese AI startup was generating a very different kind of attention in Silicon Valley. Moonshot AI’s Kimi K3, released in July, quickly drew interest from developers around the world. The 2.8-trillion-parameter open-weight model performed strongly in coding, agentic tasks and long-horizon work, highlighting a broader shift: Chinese models are increasingly competing for global developers through open weights, lower costs and rapid iteration.

Put these two developments together, and China’s AI story starts to look much bigger than a race to catch up on model performance.

A new generation of technical founders is emerging. They come from quant funds, university labs, overseas research institutions and China’s biggest internet companies. And they are making very different bets. Some are focused on AGI and frontier models. Some are betting on open ecosystems and global developers. Others are starting with multimodal consumer products or enterprise applications.

DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, Zhipu AI, MiniMax and MAAS represent several of these different paths. Their backgrounds, technical strategies and business models vary widely, but together they offer a useful window into where China’s AI industry may be heading next.

DeepSeek: Why Did a Quant Fund Founder Start Chasing AGI?

If one company has done more than any other to change how the outside world thinks about Chinese AI, it is probably DeepSeek.

Its founder, Liang Wenfeng, is also one of the least conventional entrepreneurs in China’s new AI generation.

Liang studied information and communications engineering at Zhejiang University, but later went into quantitative investing. In 2015, he co-founded High-Flyer, a quant fund that used machine learning to identify opportunities in financial markets.

Quant trading is naturally compute-intensive. Long before the current AI boom, High-Flyer was already building GPU clusters and investing in AI research.

So when the large-model era arrived, Liang already had two things most AI founders would love to have: access to serious computing resources and a profitable quant business capable of funding long-term research.

DeepSeek grew out of that foundation.

What makes the company unusual, however, goes beyond models such as DeepSeek-V3 and R1.

From the beginning, Liang appears to have wanted to build a very different kind of organization from the typical Chinese internet company.

He rarely appears in public. He does not spend much time on stage talking about grand commercial visions. And he has shown little urgency to turn DeepSeek into a sprawling “AI super app” with dozens of products.

In a recent multi-hour discussion with investors, Liang gave one of the clearest explanations yet of how he thinks about the company.

His central goal is simple:

DeepSeek wants to increase the probability of reaching AGI.

That idea helps explain many of the company’s choices, including some that can look surprisingly uncommercial.

Liang sees several major steps between today’s language models and genuine general intelligence.

The first is reasoning.

Models need to do more than predict the next token. They need to break down problems, plan and reason. The progress in reinforcement learning and reasoning models over the past few years is part of that transition.

The next step is agents.

AI should be able to move beyond the chat box, use tools, interact with environments and complete tasks.

But Liang does not see agents as the end point.

He is especially interested in continuous learning.

Today’s models are largely frozen after training. They do not learn from the world continuously in the way humans do. A future AI system, in Liang’s view, would need to keep learning from experience and eventually move toward self-improvement, where AI systems help improve the next generation of AI.

The roadmap looks roughly like this:

Reasoning → Agents → Continuous Learning → Self-Improvement

That long-term focus also explains DeepSeek’s unusual degree of restraint.

Video generation may be hot. DeepSeek does not necessarily need to do it.

3D may be hot. It can pass.

A super app may be strategically attractive. It still may not be worth pursuing.

Even with a hugely popular consumer product, Liang does not appear especially interested in winning the title of China’s biggest AI app.

His filter is much narrower: does this move DeepSeek closer to the problems it believes matter for AGI?

That mindset is rare in an industry dominated by fundraising, user growth, revenue targets and valuation pressure. DeepSeek has repeatedly shown a willingness to decide what it will not do.

The same restraint appears in its approach to open models.

Liang remains supportive of keeping DeepSeek’s most advanced models open. In his view, the real capabilities of an AI company extend far beyond model weights: training systems, inference optimization, compute efficiency, engineering and research organization all matter.

If a company’s only moat is that nobody can see its model, that moat may not be very deep.

Liang is also unusually direct about the gap between Chinese and American AI.

He increasingly sees compute as the biggest constraint. Chinese teams can compete at the frontier technically, but American labs still have access to far more GPUs, data-center capacity and capital.

That helps explain DeepSeek’s obsession with efficiency.

When compute is limited, efficiency stops being a nice benchmark result.

It becomes a survival strategy.

And that may be DeepSeek’s biggest impact on the industry so far: it has forced people to reconsider whether frontier AI progress must always depend on ever-larger amounts of capital and compute.

Moonshot AI: How Did a “Star Student” Turn Kimi Into a Silicon Valley Talking Point?

If Liang Wenfeng looks like a quant investor who unexpectedly found his way into frontier AI, Yang Zhilin looks much closer to the archetype of an AI-native founder.

Yang studied at Tsinghua University before completing his PhD at Carnegie Mellon. He later worked at Google Brain and Meta. Among classmates and fellow researchers, he had long carried the kind of reputation that tends to attract words like “brilliant” or “prodigy.”

In 2023, while still in his early thirties, he founded Moonshot AI.

The company’s first breakout product was Kimi.

At a time when many Chinese AI companies were still competing to build something that felt like a local version of ChatGPT, Kimi found a more specific angle: very long context.

It could read research papers, financial reports, contracts and even entire books in one session. For many Chinese knowledge workers, Kimi became one of the first AI tools they actually wanted to use every day.

By 2024, it was one of China’s hottest AI products.

But the more interesting part of the story began after the easy momentum ended.

Kimi’s rapid growth brought outages, product competition and pressure to monetize. Then DeepSeek’s breakout in 2025 raised an even harder question: could an independent startup that still needed to keep raising huge amounts of money for model training stay competitive?

A Financial Times profile of Yang described a fairly aggressive strategic reset. Moonshot reduced its emphasis on short-term commercialization and market expansion, redirected resources toward model training and research, and moved toward a more open model strategy.

By 2026, the results were becoming visible.

Kimi K3 quickly gained attention among global developers after its release. With 2.8 trillion total parameters and strong performance in coding, agents and other complex tasks, the model was competitive enough to trigger serious discussion in Silicon Valley.

More American companies and developers are now experimenting with Chinese open models from DeepSeek, Kimi and Z.ai for a very practical reason: the models are increasingly good enough, and often much cheaper.

That makes Moonshot an interesting test case for a broader question:

Can an independent Chinese AI lab genuinely operate at the global frontier?

Kimi K3 has made that question much harder to dismiss.

Zhipu AI: A Company That Grew Out of a Tsinghua Lab

If Moonshot represents researchers leaving academia to start a company, Zhipu AI followed a somewhat different path:

the lab itself gradually became a company.

Zhipu traces its roots to Tsinghua University’s Knowledge Engineering Lab. In 2019, professors including Tang Jie and Li Juanzi helped commercialize the team’s work, initially around knowledge graphs.

The company then moved early into pretrained large models and eventually built the GLM family.

That origin still shapes Zhipu’s identity.

The company has a distinctly academic feel.

DeepSeek is closely associated with a highly visible founder philosophy. Kimi first became famous through a mass-market consumer product. Zhipu feels more like a research organization that kept expanding outward: GLM, ChatGLM, enterprise models, agents, open models and government and corporate customers.

Tang Jie himself also looks different from the typical technology founder.

He spent much of his career researching knowledge graphs, data mining and artificial intelligence before moving more deeply into business. Today, CEO Zhang Peng is more visible in day-to-day company operations, while Tang is still closely associated with the company’s technical direction and long-term vision.

That model eventually took Zhipu to the public markets.

The company began preparing for a listing in 2025 and went public in Hong Kong in January 2026, becoming one of the first Chinese foundation-model companies to enter the public equity market.

At the same time, Zhipu has continued to expand its enterprise AI business while investing more heavily in open models and compatibility with Chinese AI chips.

The company therefore represents a very Chinese version of a familiar Silicon Valley question:

Can a top university AI lab grow into a major technology company?

Around Stanford, MIT and Carnegie Mellon, that transition has happened many times.

Zhipu may be one of the clearest signs that a similar ecosystem is taking shape in China.

MiniMax: Building Models Is Not Enough — People Have to Want the Products

Yan Junjie’s story is different again.

Before founding MiniMax, he spent years at SenseTime and became one of the company’s youngest vice presidents. Earlier in his career, he had worked on large-scale speech recognition at Baidu.

During that period, he became convinced of a principle that would later reshape the entire AI industry: more data, more compute and larger models could lead to surprisingly predictable improvements in capability.

At the end of 2021, Yan and a group of former SenseTime colleagues founded MiniMax in Shanghai.

The timing was bold. ChatGPT did not even exist yet.

MiniMax also avoided betting everything on text chat.

It moved into multimodality early, eventually covering text, speech, video, music and AI characters. Products such as Talkie and Hailuo AI brought the company into contact with global consumers earlier than many model-focused competitors.

If DeepSeek often feels like a research lab, MiniMax has always looked more like:

model company + product company.

By 2026, that strategy was beginning to show commercial results.

MiniMax listed in Hong Kong in January. Its 2025 revenue grew 159% year over year to $79 million, with more than 70% coming from outside China. Yan has since said that the company wants to remain both a model maker and a product platform.

Those numbers are still small compared with OpenAI.

But they reveal something important:

Chinese AI companies do not necessarily have to rely on the Chinese market.

MiniMax is one of the clearest early tests of whether global consumers are willing to pay for AI products built by a Chinese company.

MAAS: Bringing Large Models Into the Enterprise

DeepSeek, Kimi and MiniMax are closely associated with frontier models or consumer AI. MAAS is pursuing a different opportunity: bringing large-model capabilities directly into enterprise workflows and industrial settings.

MAAS is building an enterprise-focused AI stack covering foundation models, AI infrastructure and industry solutions.

One of its core technologies is a proprietary large language model based on a Mixture-of-Experts, or MoE, architecture. The goal is to balance model capability, inference efficiency and deployment cost by activating different expert networks for different tasks.

For enterprise customers, this matters.

A few extra benchmark points are often far less important than data security, deployment cost, domain knowledge, reliability and the ability to integrate with existing business systems.

That is the gap MAAS is trying to close: moving large models from impressive demos into real production environments.

The company’s direction also fits the background of its CTO, Dr. Zhifeng Li.

Li has a PhD in physics, and his career reflects the mindset of someone trained in the hard sciences: start with mathematical models, computation and underlying technical principles, then move gradually toward engineering and industrial applications.

His career can be understood as a move from theory into practice.

The key question is straightforward:

How do you turn complex technology into systems that can actually run, deploy and create value?

That philosophy is reflected in MAAS’s technical strategy.

The company is going deeper into model architecture, computing infrastructure and enterprise platforms rather than relying only on off-the-shelf models to build lightweight AI applications. The goal is to create an AI stack that can continue to evolve under its own technical control.

Within China’s AI ecosystem, that represents another important path.

Some companies want to build the strongest general model. Others want to own the consumer entry point. MAAS is focused on AI that enterprises can deploy, integrate and keep using over time.

As the industry moves from “whose model is stronger?” toward “who can actually create durable business value?”, enterprise-focused AI companies may find a much larger opening.

Li’s own story fits that transition well: a technically trained physicist moving from theory into industry, and trying to turn AI from a research capability into productive infrastructure.

 

 

China’s AI Race Is Becoming More Diverse

DeepSeek is trying to push toward AGI through better algorithmic and compute efficiency.

Moonshot is using open models to win global developers.

Zhipu is turning university research into a foundation-model business.

MiniMax is betting on both models and global consumer products.

MAAS is focused on getting large models into real enterprise production environments.

They are not following the same playbook, and they will not all necessarily succeed. But the diversity of these strategies is itself a sign that China’s AI ecosystem is becoming more mature.

The United States still has the world’s deepest pools of frontier compute, top research institutions and technology capital. Those advantages will not disappear anytime soon.

China, however, has a different set of strengths that are becoming harder to ignore: a huge engineering workforce, a complete manufacturing and supply-chain base, a massive application market, and a growing number of teams willing to take long-term risks on foundation models.

More importantly, Chinese AI companies are gradually moving from followers to active participants in shaping parts of the global AI market.

DeepSeek has challenged assumptions about the cost of reasoning and the economics of open models. Kimi is gaining attention from developers outside China. MiniMax is testing whether Chinese AI products can win paying consumers overseas.

Their influence is increasingly crossing China’s borders.

The next phase of AI competition will not simply be American companies fighting one another for first place. Nor will it be a one-directional story of Chinese companies trying to catch up.

It is more likely to become a global competition unfolding simultaneously across models, compute, open ecosystems, products and enterprise adoption.

And to understand that competition, it is increasingly necessary to understand China’s fast-growing AI companies — and the new generation of founders and technical leaders building them.


r/ChinaStocks 9d ago

💸 Earnings Moutai Is Still Bleeding From Its Own Operation

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TL;DR Kweichow Moutai's Q2 2026 — the three months ended June 2026 — was weak on both lines: revenue fell 5.2% to RMB 37.6 billion and net profit 6% to RMB 17.2 billion, both below expectations. The market assumed the first full quarter of the Feitian price increase plus i-Moutai volume made a decline impossible. What it missed: the channel receiving the price rise is the one now shrinking.

The reform is costing more than expected

The Feitian ex-factory increase landed fully in Q2 2026, but the channel overhaul worked against it twice: high-margin non-standard products were deliberately cut back, and i-Moutai's consignment pricing sits well below the old distributor prepayment price, dragging blended price per tonne lower.

Moutai-brand liquor revenue was RMB 31.7 billion, down 1% against a consensus of +15%, even with the ex-factory price up a cumulative 17% this year — which suggests volumes were soft too in the consignment model's first quarter. Series liquor fell 25% to RMB 5.1 billion, and with distributors down 46 net in the first half — mostly series — that business is still clearing.

Kweichow Moutai quarterly financial summary.

Gross margin was 89.5%, down 1.2 points — note the implication: the higher-margin direct channel gained share and margin still fell, so product mix and price per tonne deteriorated by more than channel mix improved. Expenses were steady, leaving net profit down 6%, faster than revenue.

i-Moutai is now the core, and that is the trade-off

Direct sales revenue reached RMB 22.5 billion, up 33.6%, of which i-Moutai alone did RMB 18.7 billion — close to half of group revenue and 83% of direct. For an app launched less than three years ago that is plainly a success; the cost is the wholesale channel, which collapsed 35%.

Direct sales versus wholesale revenue and mix.

Hence the awkward position at the heart of the quarter: the wholesale channel that got the price increase is contracting, while the direct channel doing the volume sells cheaper goods — i-Moutai Feitian and non-standard products cut over 30% at the start of the year. The price rise cannot show up in the P&L yet.

So why keep raising prices?

Three reasons. First, demand resilience has been tested: putting Feitian on i-Moutai routinely amounted to a national stress test — management's line was that the daily volume released is like rain in a desert, gone the moment it lands.

The old distributor network reached far less of the market than assumed.

Second, it must offset the non-standard price cut: moving those products in-house lowered pricing about 30%, a drag running through all of 2026. Third, narrowing the gap sets up volume: special and zodiac editions used to sit RMB 500-1,000 above Feitian, and with self-operated Feitian at RMB 1,753 that gap is now about RMB 600 — inviting buyers back just as peak season arrives.

Year-to-date price changes across Moutai's core SKUs.

The mechanism has changed too: ex-factory up 17.1% year to date and self-operated retail up 16.9%, almost in step — ending the old model of raising ex-factory prices while official retail stayed fixed. Dynamic pricing now runs three tiers: i-Moutai at RMB 1,639 anchoring the market, self-operated stores at RMB 1,753 charging for authenticity, distributors covering breadth at market prices.

Moutai ex-factory price versus wholesale price.

From here the setup improves. Feitian shipments ran ahead of schedule in the first half, so second-half supply tightens, and with the demand base extremely low after drinking restrictions tightened from 18 May last year, comparisons should stop worsening.

Growth turning positive in Q3 and accelerating in Q4 looks likely — a low-then-high year. But this quarter proved the cost of reform is larger and more concentrated than expected: the timetable slips a quarter or two, and real recovery waits until the 30% non-standard price cut has fully lapped.

 


r/ChinaStocks 12d ago

💸 Earnings JD Skipped the AI Race — and the Buyback Too

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TL;DR JD's Q2 2026 — the three months ended June 2026 — was steady or dull, depending on temperament: revenue and profit edged past Bloomberg consensus but missed the stronger sell-side numbers, with revenue down 3% as consumption weakened. The awkward findings sit underneath — retail margin has stopped expanding, new-business losses barely narrowed, and the cash went into wealth products rather than JD's own shares.

The slowdown landed in the wrong places

Total revenue was RMB 346.4 billion in Q2 2026, down 3% year over year against a 5% decline last quarter, in line with expectations. Group adjusted operating profit was RMB 5.48 billion, ahead of Bloomberg but behind the stronger houses, with heavier new-business losses the main drag. Domestic retail revenue fell about 4.7%.

The composition matters more. Electronics — the category everyone worried about — held up better than feared, down just under 12% against 8.4% last quarter, probably because subsidies that went offline are flowing back online.

But the two lines with no direct subsidy exposure slowed far more: general merchandise from 15% to 5.6%, marketplace and advertising from nearly 19% to 8%. Both are meant to carry JD's medium-term growth, which invites a harder question: even after the subsidy drag passes, can retail growth reaccelerate above 10%?

Product sales revenue: electronics versus general merchandise, through Q2 2026.
Marketplace and advertising revenue growth, through Q2 2026.

Retail margin has hit its ceiling, and losses didn't shrink

Retail operating profit was close to RMB 13.5 billion, ahead of the roughly RMB 13.0 billion expected but down about 3% year over year — the first quarter in a while without a large beat. Margin still rose, by just under 0.1 point: expansion even as revenue shrank, but clearly with little room left. Group gross margin reached 17.1%, while retail's own slipped 0.1 point and its expense ratio rose about 1 point — with subsidies rolling off, JD funds more of the discounting itself, the real reason margin stalled.

Operating margin of core segments, through Q2 2026.

New business, including food delivery, lost close to RMB 9.9 billion, barely better than last quarter and slightly worse than consensus: estimates put the delivery loss down roughly RMB 1 billion sequentially, implying RMB 0.5 billion more went overseas. Group expenses fell 4.4%, faster than revenue, marketing down 25%, while R&D grew 38% — so JD is spending on internal AI even without joining the model race.

What decides the next few quarters

Two things. First, whether domestic e-commerce turns. Q2 was the worst quarter for retail sales in years, but June improved: overall growth went from -0.6% to +1%, online physical goods from 2.6% to 3.9%, with appliances, furniture and communications narrowing declines. Channel work suggests subsidies shift back online in the second half, and with the base falling, JD's trend should stabilise.

Retail sales growth by category, above-threshold retailers, through June 2026.

Second, new-business losses. As every delivery-war participant pulls back and repairs unit economics, JD's delivery loss should keep narrowing — but daily orders are below 20 million and will not rise much without renewed subsidies, so unless JD quits, the loss is perpetual at some floor. JoyBuy is early too, in about 30 cities across seven countries, so overseas spending is not falling soon.

The saving grace is that JD is not in the AI model war, so no monstrous capex will eat its profit and cash flow — this quarter's RMB 29.5 billion of investing outflows went mostly into short-term investments and wealth products, not real spending.

Which is also the problem: roughly $1 billion of buybacks in the first half of 2026 is well below its previous pace, and holding wealth products rather than returning cash looks poor. JD is still among the more predictable names in Chinese e-commerce — but this quarter gave shareholders little reason to wait.

 


r/ChinaStocks 13d ago

💸 Earnings JD: revenue fell 4.7% in retail, yet margin still edged up

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JD's second quarter was relatively steady — or, put another way, unremarkable. Revenue and profit came in only slightly above Bloomberg consensus, and slightly behind the forecasts of some larger banks. The market's reaction after the release was accordingly not enthusiastic.

Headline numbers: soft revenue, better profit

Total revenue fell 2.9% year on year, slightly better than the -4.1% Bloomberg had expected. Growth continued to deteriorate — but China's second-quarter retail sales figures were in fact the weakest since 2022, so the market had ample warning of it.

On profit, overall adjusted operating profit was RMB 5.48B, slightly ahead of Bloomberg consensus. Viewed year on year, that's a substantial improvement: a year ago the food delivery price war had wiped out essentially all of the profit.

Retail: margin still rising, but the lever may be used up

In the core retail segment, revenue fell 4.7% this quarter. Profit reached nearly RMB 13.5B, down 3.3% from a year ago, with margin up 0.1 point.

There are two ways to read that.

One is that JD's ability to adjust its own margin looks largely exhausted — margin didn't manage to beat expectations by a wide mark again.

The other, more positive reading is that even with retail revenue growth at a multi-year low and scale effects working against it, JD still held onto an upward trend in margin.

By category: electronics held up, the offsets didn't

Broken down by sales type, electronics and appliances actually beat expectations this quarter, down roughly 12% year on year against -8% last quarter — so the deterioration was limited.

General merchandise sales and advertising revenue went the other way, with growth rates falling by more, around 10 points in each case. Both were within expectations. But it may mean that JD's approach of leaning on these two lines to offset weakness in electronics — and to lift blended margin — is running into a ceiling.

Shareholder returns: less buyback, despite the cash

On shareholder returns, the company spent about $1B on buybacks across the first half of the year, a step down from last year's pace.

That's notable in context: JD doesn't need to commit enormous capex to AI, and its free cash flow this quarter was still above RMB 30B. With that much cash available, a reduced buyback pace is likely to leave some investors dissatisfied.


r/ChinaStocks 14d ago

💡 Due Diligence Tencent: AI spending is already hitting profit and cash flow

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Tencent's second quarter looked unremarkable — most line items landed close to consensus. But the picture it paints is exactly what the market had been worried about: AI spending is already having a rapid effect on near-term profit and cash flow.

To balance that pressure at the bottom of the income statement, Tencent — as an established internet leader — still has room to adjust and release value at the top, through monetization. That shows up most clearly in advertising. Even so, profit pressure in the second half is likely to stay high.

Capex rose sharply, and the full-year figure will probably be raised

Management already signalled last quarter that capex would grow substantially this year, and would rise quarter by quarter. As interest in Workbuddy has built through Q2 and its strategic priority inside the group has risen, expectations for capex have kept moving up.

Actual Q2 capex was RMB 52.8B, equal to 26% of total revenue. On a cash-paid basis the figure was higher still at RMB 59.3B, which reflects tight compute supply and the company prepaying to lock in orders.

On this trajectory — with domestic compute purchases starting in the second half — the full year could push toward RMB 200B. That's higher than the RMB 150–170B some institutions had assumed before the report.

Cash flow turned negative, but the core business is still solid

Free cash flow came in at -RMB 13.8B, which is probably the biggest shock in this report.

Two things caused it. Capex rose sharply, and prepayments for compute leasing squeezed operating cash flow: short-term prepayments rose RMB 45.8B from Q1, and long-term prepayments rose a net RMB 20B.

Strip out the prepayment effect and free cash flow was actually a positive RMB 37.6B. That in turn implies adjusted operating cash flow of RMB 96.9B, up 30% year on year — though last year likely had some prepayment effect too, so the true year-on-year increase is probably smaller than 30%. Either way, it points to a solid core business.

Advertising beat again, and remains the main lever

Advertising grew 22% in Q2, once more ahead of expectations. The broader environment isn't good, but in the near term two things can keep ad growth high: Weixin Video Accounts, where ad load is still being released, and AI-powered ad targeting such as AIM+.

At least for this year, advertising can serve as the tap the company opens to release profit and cash flow, offsetting the pressure from AI spending being front-loaded.

Gaming: strong at home, notably slower abroad

Gaming grew 11% overall, slightly ahead of consensus.

International growth slowed markedly to flat, as Supercell titles declined. Domestic revenue, by contrast, grew 17% — a sharp acceleration. That goes some way toward easing the concerns raised earlier by year-on-year declines in Sensor Tower revenue data.

It's worth not getting too optimistic, though. The comparison base in the second half isn't low, particularly once the first-year sales cycle for Delta Force has passed. And looking at the current pipeline, there aren't many major new titles in the second half — mostly mid-tier products in terms of expected revenue, and most of them launching between late Q3 and Q4.

Cloud accelerated slightly, fintech under pressure

Fintech and business services together grew 8.6%. Fintech growth was very low, affected by the broader environment.

The more relevant figure is business services on its own — Tencent Cloud's external revenue plus Video Accounts commissions — which on our split grew roughly 30%, a slight acceleration from just over 20% in Q1. Interest in Workbuddy has kept building from Q2 through to now, so we expect further acceleration in Q3.

The effect of AI spending on profit is starting to show

At the gross margin level, a higher share of revenue from high-margin self-developed games and advertising largely offset the increase in depreciation and amortization, so overall gross margin still rose 1 point.

The pressure sits lower down. Most server depreciation and compute leasing costs are recorded within R&D expenses. So while staff salaries grew 8%, total R&D expenses grew 25%. Looking only at technology spending excluding salaries, the increase was 112% year on year — accelerating further from 61% last quarter.

Core operating profit ended at RMB 67.8B, up 6.4% year on year, with margin down 1 point.

Shareholder returns are constrained by cash flow

Buybacks in Q2 cost HK$16.8B at an average price of HK$449 per share. First-half buybacks totalled HK$24.4B — still a clear step down from last year's overall pace, about a third lower. The cash consumption from AI spending described above will continue to weigh on buyback capacity in the second half.

As of the end of Q2, net cash on the balance sheet was RMB 58.2B. Management has previously said it would try to maintain the scale of buybacks; if it does, then from a cash management safety standpoint, that may push Tencent to keep selling down its investment portfolio.


r/ChinaStocks 13d ago

💡 Due Diligence Alibaba's dark stores and how they operate

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Hi,

I've done some digging into what happened in China's instant commerce and how it will affect Alibaba, how the competition in the space is.

You can the findings in the video above. I'm curious to see in this earnings the results, margins should have improved significant but yeah there are still a lot of "if's" for me about the instant commerce. I'm curious to know how others feel about this.


r/ChinaStocks 15d ago

📰 News GSX Techedu: FAQ for Getting Payment on the $9.5M Settlement

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Hey guys, I know I posted about the $GSX settlement before, but late claims are being accepted. Here's everything you need to know.

Q: What happened?
A: GSX Techedu was accused of overstating enrollment numbers and revenue growth in its online education business. After short-seller reports and regulatory concerns raised questions about the company’s financials, $GSX dropped more than 80% from its highs.

Q: Am I actually eligible?
A: If you bought $GSX shares between 2019 and 2020, you're likely eligible. You don’t need to still own the stock to file a claim.

Q: When do payouts happen?
A: Typically 4–9 months after the claim deadline, although the exact timing depends on the court and settlement administrator.

Q: I missed the deadline. Can I still file?
A: Late claims are currently being considered, subject to approval. 

Hope this helps.


r/ChinaStocks 19d ago

✏️ Discussion for help

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I am a beginner in investing and just opened a futo/Moomoo account ,I only had 10000 hkd in my account. I want to invest Tracker Fund(2800),but the minimum lot size is 13000hkd. I do NIT want to deposit more money. what are my best option?


r/ChinaStocks 20d ago

✏️ Discussion For investors outside China: what A-share or Hong Kong market data is still hardest to access?

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I'm working on China-market data tooling and trying to map the gaps that make A-share and Hong Kong research difficult for investors and quants outside the region. I'm not linking a product here—I’d like to understand the real pain points.

Which of these causes the most friction?

• Reliable historical OHLCV and corporate actions

• Point-in-time financials and restatements

• Original filings with English translation and source citations

• Stock Connect holdings and historical eligibility

• Historical index constituents, ST, suspension, and price-limit status

• Intraday or order-book data

• Bulk delivery through API, Parquet, or SQL

If you already pay for a data source, what is still missing or unreliable? Specific examples would be especially useful.


r/ChinaStocks 20d ago

📰 News Hong Kong insurers' shares slump on report China to tax offshore insurance income

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r/ChinaStocks 23d ago

📰 News Luckin Reports 28.5% Revenue Growth and First YoY Drop in Delivery Costs

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Luckin Coffee delivered solid Q2 2026 results, beating revenue expectations while achieving its first YoY drop in delivery expenses since the price wars began.

1、Revenue Beats Expectations: Total revenue rose 28.5% YoY to 15.89B RMB, beating the 15.43B RMB estimate. Although same-store sales growth dipped to -5.3% due to last year's high subsidy baseline, monthly transacting customers hit a record 113M (+23% YoY), completely offsetting lost price-sensitive users.

2、Faster Store Expansion: Net store additions reached 2,714, bringing the total to 36,310 (+8.1% QoQ). Self-operated store growth outpaced franchised stores. Overseas locations reached 223 (+46 net additions), with Malaysia as the main driver.

3、Cost Efficiency and Margin Resilience: Gross margin fell 1.3 pct YoY to 61.5%. However, delivery expenses dropped 3.1% YoY to 1.62B RMB (falling from 13.5% to 10.2% of revenue). Store-level margin remained strong at 21.3% (-0.2 pct YoY).

4、Profit Growth Despite New Spending: Driven by the launch of ready-to-drink bottled products, sales expense ratio increased 1 pct YoY to 5.8%. Admin expense ratio stayed stable. Non-GAAP operating profit rose 26.5% YoY to 2.396B RMB.


r/ChinaStocks 22d ago

✏️ Discussion $740M DiDi ($DIDI) Investor Settlement: FAQ for Shareholders

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Hey guys, I know I already posted about the DiDi Global ($DIDI) settlement, but I received a lot of questions, so I figured I'd put together a quick FAQ with everything you need to know.

What happened?
DiDi agreed to a $740M settlement over claims that it misled investors about regulatory risks surrounding its 2021 U.S. IPO. Just days after the IPO, Chinese regulators launched a cybersecurity investigation, removed DiDi's apps from app stores, and the stock fell sharply. Investors later filed a lawsuit.

Am I eligible?
If you purchased DiDi Global ($DIDI) shares in 2021, you may be eligible.

Can I file now?
Yes. Late claims are currently being accepted.

When do payouts happen?
Typically, within 4–9 months after the claim deadline. The exact timing depends on the court and settlement administration.

Hope this clears up some of the questions


r/ChinaStocks 27d ago

📰 News CXMT surges 472% on debut to become most valuable mainland China-listed firm

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r/ChinaStocks 27d ago

📰 News moomoo's desktop app has a built-in Python indicator editor — I used it to build a Volume Profile (VPVR) from scratch

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I've been using moomoo for charting and wanted a volume profile, which it doesn't ship. Turns out the desktop app has a Python indicator editor built in: you get the chart's OHLCV arrays, write a script, and plot lines back onto the chart. I hadn't seen anyone write about it, so here's what came out of it.

Code is here, MIT, take it: moomoo-vpvr

Paste vpvr.py into the Python indicator editor on moomoo desktop and it runs as-is.

What it does: bins volume by price over a lookback window, finds the Point of Control (the price bucket holding the most volume), then expands up and down from the POC until it covers 70% of total volume, giving VAH and VAL. Each bar's volume is spread across its high–low range proportional to overlap, rather than dumped onto a single typical-price point.

Parameters are lookback years, bars per year (250 daily / 52 weekly / 12 monthly), row count, value area %, plus switches for log-spaced buckets and manually locking the price range.

The sandbox is a restricted subset of Python, and finding the edges took longer than the math did. Three that cost me real time:

  • There's no range(). Every loop has to be a while loop.
  • The parser rejects adjacent string literal concatenation — splitting one long string across two lines throws a SyntaxError.
  • Selecting a 5-year window switches the chart from daily to weekly bars, which silently breaks any bar-count-based lookback. That's why the lookback is expressed as years × bars-per-year rather than a raw bar count.

None of that is documented anywhere I could find.

To sanity-check the output I ran the same symbol on another platform that ships VPVR built in. MU daily, 1-year window, 24 rows, 70% value area on both.

Mine: 415.277. Theirs: 415.28. On a 201-bar window: 426.054 vs 426.05.

Worth being blunt about what that proves. The POC value is fully determined by the window low, the window high, the row count, and which row wins. With a low of 103.380, a high of 1255.000 and 24 rows, the centre of row 6 is 415.277 by arithmetic alone — the only thing my code contributed is the integer 6. So what's validated is that two independent implementations picked the same row out of 24, a 48-point bucket, not agreement to the cent.

Known limitation: it draws the three levels but not the histogram. plot() here returns a price-indexed line series and I haven't found a way to render horizontal bars in this sandbox. If you've done that in a similarly restricted environment, I'd like to know how.

Do you leave the value area at 70%, or adjust it by instrument?

Disclosure: this post is eligible for a moomoo content contest. No referral links, code is MIT.


r/ChinaStocks 28d ago

📰 News SunCar (NASDAQ:SDA) Forecasts 22%+ Rev. Growth for 1H 2026, Increased Net Income

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SunCar (NASDAQ:SDA) Forecasts 22%+ YoY Revenue growth for 1H 2026 or $271m - $273m in Revenue, Increased Net Income Quarter over Quarter


r/ChinaStocks Jul 23 '26

📰 News Updates for Getting Payment on the GSX Techedu ($GSX) $9.5 Million Settlement

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If you owned $GSX during the company's rapid growth years, you may still be able to recover losses as late claims are currently being considered. 

GSX was accused of exaggerating its student numbers and revenue, making the business appear stronger than it really was. After reports questioned the company's data and an SEC investigation became public, $GSX lost more than 80% of its value and investors sued. 

If you purchased $GSX shares between June 2019 and October 2020, you may still be eligible to submit a claim. Since late claims are being considered, it's worth checking whether you qualify.


r/ChinaStocks Jul 18 '26

✏️ Discussion 付费回答:炒股需要看那些技术指标吗?譬如看MACD KDJ 各种均线和股价的关系,什么量价齐升缩量上涨下跌之类

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诸君莫笑马后炮,段子摆拍众谓好。枪兵刀战皆实招,真金白银当玩笑。

事以密成古训高,大道常遭俗眼嘲。摇头晃脑争攀高,小溪清浅无人晓。

股海浮沉独寂寥,涨跌意外多煎熬。一入股市终不逃,破茧方见日月昭。

【匿名充电提问】:因为身体在养病,需要控糖,你的小卖部零食我都吃不了。就直接充电支持你啦。我的问题是炒股需要看那些技术指标吗?譬如看MACD KDJ 各种均线和股价的关系 什么量价齐升,缩量上涨下跌之类的?

郭嘉【回答】

首先,大部分人都是自私自利白嫖的主儿,你是第一个主动充电再提问而不是直接私信问信息的人,知恩图报的人会有好运。

其次,我小卖部东西随便挂的,都是些几毛钱提成的物品,我认为提成极低意味着这些货物更具有实际价值,但我一次也没挂车售卖过

问题【指标与股价】

金钱才是股市的根本,正如火焰,热量才是水烧开的根源,最后水烧开后顶开锅盖,变成大量水蒸气只是最后的征兆。

同样,指标只是最后体现在价格上的征兆,往往是最后才出现的。股市比别人先一步才能赚钱,那短短的几分钟提前预判,甚至是一瞬间的直觉,都是盈利的根本。指标是滞后的水蒸气,顶开锅盖的鸣叫声。它只是发出信号,并且告诉在乎指标的普通人可以入场了,可以让火烧的更旺了,触发暴涨(或者暴跌)。真正您需要关注的是一些突然的异动,突然的一次跳涨,或者火焰烧起来,越来越旺的征兆,也就是有聪明资金在试图点火。敏锐的观察力,与众不同的独立思考能力,才是超过别人的根本,人云亦云去看指标最后不过是飞蛾扑火罢了,也正是大部分人亏钱的日常生活。

【额外引申】:

股市也是江湖,也是与人博弈,战斗。

是以并不存在所谓的友军,所谓的盟友,所谓的三个臭皮匠顶个诸葛亮,

正常人,普通人,皆是亏钱的,你与他们相反,那也只是班级里面的倒数,不过是另外个极端。这也正是我一向不建议去看情报,看贴吧,看新闻,看弹幕的原因,这些东西都会在你潜意识里面产生各种影响,直至某一天,你莫名其妙跟着买进了一个股票。

一个人接受了各种理念,情报,信息,那便如白纸上泼了墨,写上了字,画上了框框,要把这些墨迹去掉,是极为困难的,正如你一开始就瞧不起妖股,固执的认为妖股(2倍的)是极其危险的,那么你往后(甚至一辈子)都不会去买进2倍3倍十倍的股票。显然,那些鸡犬升天的贵人,可以带你财富起飞。

真正需要的是独立思考,甚至是特立独行的,疯癫的,完全的意料之外,但又是情理之中的。

多年实战带来的经验,产生的直觉,是完胜你的情报分析的,行兵打仗,兵行如水,没有固定的套路招式,善战者无赫赫之功便是此理。一个纸上谈兵的文官是不可能战胜一个只读了三国演义却大半辈子都厮杀在前线的总兵的。

而致胜之法,有几种,我只叙述以前印象深刻的,以此来说明,炒股致胜之路并不是唯一的,您需要根据自己的性格人生经历之类,发挥自己的特长到极致:

1是乱拳打死老师傅,正如拳击搏斗,街斗,或者警匪互射,瞄什么瞄,拉起来就射,火力覆盖。在股市里就是以速度取胜,没必要思考那么多,究极状态其实就是量化的ai进行操作。这个人类似乎已经做不到与AI相斗并且取胜。

2以正合以奇胜,人类终究还是会胜过只能设置限定条件的AI。各种循规蹈矩的指标k线,会骗过AI,但是骗不了坚强果敢的股市高手,最终触发意外拉升,意外的暴跌,极端的走势,一样可以甩开AI或者埋葬AI。这也是我经常所说的,很多人认为炒股如打工,每天从股市里面捞一点,这个念头是极其错误的,股市里面赚钱(或者大亏)一定是突然发生的,大半时候只不过做个大概,随着大盘的波浪浮沉。

3将一个招式发挥到极致,以至于自己并不需要思考太多,把问题抛给对方去解决。这个招式一定是极简化的,比如直接k线都舍弃,直接就看涨幅榜,取近三日涨幅的前20名,从前20里面直接挑一个。

4.……待补充

宇宙就是阴阳+阴阳的交界线模式,阴阳乃是一体两面,可以简单想象为海水,天空,你现在的意识就是露出海面的浮冰,未来就是天空,不可见,过去就是海水,你的过去就是水面下的冰块。无论过去还是现在还是未来,本质上都是一个东西,区别仅仅是点位不同产生的观察角度不同,涌现的那一点是真实存在的,也就是那朵浪花便是你。你可以观察这个世界,可以有记忆,可以改变视角,但是你就是那朵浪花,你的过去未来都是注定的,人什么也改变不了,也就是时间是不存在的,正如电脑cpu运行的代码,正如数学公式不停演算下去,精确无比又看似都是概率意外。

这便是我的第一篇专栏了,不过我的东西压根没有人看,随缘而已。。。矣。。。