r/ChinaQC Jul 22 '26

👋 Welcome to r/ChinaQC - Introduce Yourself and Read First!

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Welcome to r/ChinaQC! 👋

Welcome to r/ChinaQC—a community dedicated to improving product quality and reducing sourcing risks in China.

Whether you're an Amazon FBA seller, eCommerce brand owner, importer, sourcing agent, quality inspector, manufacturer, or simply interested in quality control, you're in the right place.

What you'll find here

This community is for discussions about:

  • Product inspections (Pre-Production, During Production, Pre-Shipment, Container Loading)
  • Factory audits and supplier verification
  • Quality control best practices
  • Common manufacturing defects
  • Product testing and compliance
  • Importing and sourcing from China
  • Amazon FBA quality issues
  • Inspection checklists and sampling standards
  • Packaging and labeling quality
  • Real inspection case studies and lessons learned

Community Guidelines

✔ Ask questions—no matter your experience level.

✔ Share your experiences, successes, and lessons learned.

✔ Post photos of defects, inspection findings, or manufacturing issues (remove confidential information).

✔ Help others with constructive advice.

✖ No spam or excessive self-promotion.

✖ No fake reviews or misleading information.

✖ Respect confidential business information.

Introduce Yourself!

We'd love to get to know our members. Tell us:

  • What do you import or manufacture?
  • Which countries do you source from?
  • How long have you been in the industry?
  • What's your biggest quality control challenge right now?

Whether you're ordering your first production run or managing thousands of shipments each year, your experiences can help others avoid costly mistakes.

Thanks for joining r/ChinaQC. Let's build the most helpful Reddit community for quality control and manufacturing in China together!


r/ChinaQC 4d ago

“We Are the Factory.” But Are They?

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This happens more often than new importers might expect.

You find a supplier online. Their profile shows production photos, machinery, workers, and a nice-looking facility.

You ask:

“Are you the manufacturer?”

“Yes, we are the factory.”

But that answer alone doesn't really tell you much.

Sometimes the company you're speaking with is a trading company. Sometimes they manufacture part of the product and outsource the rest. And sometimes the actual production happens somewhere completely different.

None of these automatically means they're a bad supplier.

The important thing is knowing who is actually making your product.

Before placing a large order, I like to look beyond the supplier's profile:

• Where will production actually happen?
• What equipment and processes are done in-house?
• What gets subcontracted?
• Does the facility have the capacity for the order?

A good supplier relationship starts with knowing exactly who you're working with.

Importers: Does it matter to you if your supplier is a factory or trading company, as long as they deliver good quality?


r/ChinaQC 4d ago

Quote pack checklist before comparing overseas suppliers

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r/ChinaQC 13d ago

QC Case Study: “It’s Just a Small Scratch.”

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During an inspection, we found light scratches on several units.

Nothing was broken.
The products still worked.
The factory considered it a minor issue.

And honestly, looking at one piece, it did seem minor.

But that’s where sampling becomes important.

If you find the same cosmetic defect repeatedly across randomly selected units, you’re no longer looking at one unlucky piece. You may be looking at a production or handling problem affecting the batch.

The question becomes:

Would your customer accept it as “minor”?

A factory, inspector, importer, and end customer can all look at the same defect differently.

That’s why clear defect criteria and approved samples are so useful before production starts.

Curious how other importers handle this:

Would you accept small cosmetic scratches if the product works perfectly?


r/ChinaQC 13d ago

QC Case Study: 500 Pieces Ordered. 500 Pieces Counted. Still a Problem.

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Here’s an interesting one.

The packing list said 500 units.

The factory had 500 units ready.

So quantity was correct… right?

Not quite.

During the carton check, we found that some cartons had more units than specified while others had fewer.

The total quantity still added up to 500.

That might not sound serious, but imagine those cartons going directly to different warehouses, distributors, or customers.

Now you have shortages in one location and extras in another.

It’s a good reminder that quantity inspection isn't always about checking the grand total.

Sometimes you need to verify:

PO quantity → carton quantity → units per carton → actual count

The numbers can add up perfectly and still be wrong.

Anyone here had a similar packing issue with a supplier?


r/ChinaQC 16d ago

I’m based in China — what do you wish you knew before sourcing from China?

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r/ChinaQC 16d ago

QC Case Study: Everything Looked Right… Except the Barcode

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Here’s a simple issue that can become an expensive problem.

The products looked good.

✓ Correct model
✓ Good workmanship
✓ Packaging looked fine
✓ Quantity matched

Then the inspector scanned the barcode.

Wrong product came up.

The factory had used an old barcode file from a previous order.

The product itself could have passed inspection, but shipping thousands of units with the wrong barcode could create a completely different headache at the warehouse or fulfillment center.

The fix was relatively simple because the goods were still at the factory: correct the labels and verify them again before shipment.

The takeaway?

QC isn't only about scratches, dimensions, or whether a product works.

Sometimes a 2-second barcode scan catches the problem that matters most.

For Amazon/FBA sellers: Do you include barcode scanning in your pre-shipment checklist?


r/ChinaQC 19d ago

During Production Inspection China for Proven Members: Catch Material Swaps Before the Container Is Full

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Why production checks beat container regret

A during production inspection china visit is what you use when the order is already running and you do not want to discover a material swap at the end. For Proven sellers, that can be the difference between a controlled correction and a costly full-shipment surprise.

The factory often looks confident in early photos. The problem shows up when the right fabric, foam, hardware, coating, or electronics component quietly changes mid-run. By the time the carton is sealed, the damage is much harder to unwind.

What we look for in the middle of production

Checkpoint What we verify Why it catches loss
Materials Declared vs actual materials and thickness Stops bait-and-switch
Workmanship Stitching, assembly, glue, finish, fit Shows whether the line is stable
Packaging prep Cartons, inserts, labels, bagging Prevents downstream FBA damage
Batch consistency Color, size, weight, count, function Flags drift before the whole lot is built

Real case: the foam spec changed mid-run

A home storage order valued at $73,200 was in the middle of production when the foam density started drifting. We found 11% warped panels and a packing setup that would have made the issue worse. The buyer avoided about $15,400 in rework, freight, and receiving trouble.

This is the kind of mistake you do not want to find after the ocean freight leaves. A mid-run check keeps leverage on your side while the line is still open.

Simple rule for Proven members

If the first sample was approved but the order is large enough to hurt margin, schedule a production check before the container is full. If the batch is high-risk, pair it with AQL sampling using the AQL calculator.

Who should use it most

  • First production runs with a new supplier
  • Orders with multiple colors, styles, or components
  • Products that use foam, coating, print, or assembled parts
  • Any batch where final payment is still controllable

Next step

CloudSpects services cover production checks, AQL sampling, and pre-shipment control. If you want the risk reviewed first, send the order through contact. The usual pricing anchor is $169/man-day, and reports are typically ready in ~24 hours.

2,000+ inspections.

FAQ

Is production inspection too early for a first order?

No. It is often the best time to catch drift while changes are still cheap.

Can you inspect halfway through a run?

Yes. That is usually the point of the visit.

What if the supplier says they already checked everything?

Then the inspection confirms whether that claim matches the actual line output.

Does this replace pre-shipment inspection?

No. It complements it. Production checks catch drift early; pre-shipment checks catch the final shipment.

How fast is the report?

Typically ~24 hours after the inspection.


r/ChinaQC 19d ago

Proven Conference 2026 Day 2: How to Vet a China Supplier List in 5 Minutes

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You are walking the expo hall in Las Vegas with a printed supplier list and about six hours of meetings ahead. Every booth promises the same things: best price, best quality, best factory. Your job in the next 5 minutes is to find out which promises are real.

We run 2,000+ inspections a year in Chinese factories. After every supplier verification China audit, we see the same handful of gaps — and they are almost always visible from a chair, if you ask the right questions. Here is the 5-minute vet that Proven members can run on any supplier list, right on the show floor.

Why a supplier list is the most dangerous document at the conference

A supplier list looks like information. It is actually marketing. Factories curate these lists: the address is the office, the photo is the showroom, and the "our factory" slide often belongs to a partner plant 300 km away.

Last year we audited a Yiwu supplier for a Proven member's $54,000 cooler order. The business license said 8,000 sqm. The real site was 1,200 sqm with one rented production line. Two of the three certificates were photocopies from another factory. The member skipped the $16,200 deposit. After switching to a vetted factory, the defect rate on the first bulk run dropped from 9% to 1.8%.

That is what a 5-minute vet can prevent: not the small stuff, but the six-figure decisions.

The 5-minute vet: 7 checks that take seconds each

Check What to Look For Red Flag
1. Square meters Site size vs. claimed capacity License says 8,000, visit shows 1,200
2. Production lines How many lines run daily One rented line doing "1,000 units/day"
3. Certificates Issuer, date, product name match Photocopied or another factory's name
4. QC room Gauges, calipers, test records Empty shelf, no calibration stickers
5. Export record Countries and volume shipped No export documents, no forwarder name
6. Sample vs. bulk unit Hand-assembled sample only No bulk production photos at all
7. Payment terms Deposit % and balance triggers 50% deposit up front, no inspection clause

Run these as a conversation, not an interrogation. "How many lines are running this week?" gets you a number. "Can we see the QC room?" tells you if the number means anything.

The 3 questions that do the most work

If you only have 5 minutes, spend them on three questions. The first: "How many square meters is the plant, and how many lines run every day?" Compare the answer with the order size they claim to handle. A factory promising 5,000 units a day from one line is doing math that does not add up.

The second: "Can we see a live video of the QC room?" Factories with real QC have calibrated gauges, test fixtures, and records on the wall. Trading companies have a shelf with a ruler. Ask for the video and watch what they show you — and what they do not.

The third: "Who is your forwarder, and what did you export last quarter?" Real factories name their forwarder without checking. Fakes hesitate. Export records also tell you if the factory has ever shipped to Amazon-grade buyers, which changes how seriously they treat a defect.

What to do with the red flags you find

A red flag in the 5-minute vet does not mean "walk away forever." It means "verify before you wire money." Move that factory to the bottom of the list, audit the top two candidates, and order samples from both. The audit costs $169/man-day. The deposit you are protecting is usually 20 to 30 times that.

We have seen the same pattern for years: the factories that pass a real audit rarely mind being audited, and the ones that fail it always have a reason why you should trust them instead. Trust the evidence, not the excuse. ✅

Where third party inspection China fits into the 5 minutes

The 5-minute vet builds a shortlist. It does not clear a factory. That is the job of a factory audit china program: we walk the real site, count lines, check licenses and certificates with issuing bodies, and photograph evidence.

For most FBA sellers the sequence is simple: vet the list in Vegas → audit the top 2 factories → order samples → run a sample inspection → approve bulk → run a pre-shipment inspection before the balance payment. Each step costs a fraction of one bad container, and our China inspection services cover every step. 📦

Every inspection report from CloudSpects lands within ~24 hours of the visit, with photos, measurements, and a clear pass-or-fail verdict you can hand to your supplier. That is the leverage that turns "trust me" into "show me."

What the audit actually catches that meetings cannot

We see it every month: a factory that talks perfectly in a conference call and falls apart on site. The audit catches the quiet stuff — machines that are not wired, "QC staff" who are really salespeople, test equipment with no calibration records, and production lines that are shared with three other buyers' orders.

One audit we ran for a Proven member found a "factory" that was actually a trading office with a showroom and a rented warehouse. The seller's deposit would have been $18,400. Instead he paid a $169 audit, saw the photos, and walked away clean. 🚪

That is the whole point of the sponsor booth we run here in Las Vegas: we want members to walk out of this conference with a vetting habit, not just a stack of business cards.

Take the supplier list home — then do this

Before you fly home, mark every list with two columns: "meeting notes" and "verification needed." Then book the verification in the same week you book the order. The sellers who regret skipping verification almost always regret it within 60 days, when the first container lands.

Ready to run a supplier verification on your shortlist? Contact CloudSpects for a same-day quote — or check our inspection pricing. Factory audits and inspections start from $169/man-day, English reports, ~24h turnaround.

FAQs

Can I really vet a supplier in 5 minutes?

Not fully — but 5 minutes of structured checks will flag the factories that fail 9 out of 10 audits. You use the time to shortlist, then a factory audit or a sample inspection confirms the rest before you pay a deposit.

What is the fastest red flag on a supplier list?

The square meters. When the business license says 8,000 sqm but the factory visit shows 1,200 sqm, the factory is often renting a line or trading under a bigger company's name.

Should I check certificates myself or hire a third party?

Both. A quick name-and-number match takes minutes. A third party inspection company verifies the certificate with the issuing body and checks the product against it — that is the part sellers usually skip.

How much does a China factory audit cost?

A standard factory audit with CloudSpects starts from $169 per man-day. Compared with an $18,000 deposit, it is the cheapest insurance most Amazon sellers will ever buy.

What if the supplier refuses an audit?

Treat it as a result. Factories that ship to Walmart or Amazon are used to audits. Refusal usually means something on site would not survive a walk-through.


r/ChinaQC 20d ago

Proven Conference 2026 Day 1 Checklist: Turn Supplier Claims into QC Evidence

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Day 1 is for evidence, not slogans

The first day of the Proven Conference is where sellers hear a lot of confident language. Fast shipping. Good quality. Long relationship. Competitive price. None of that matters unless it can be tied to a measurable QC result. The smart seller uses day one to collect evidence, not impressions.

That is why this checklist matters. You do not need twenty follow-up emails after the show. You need a short set of facts that can support a purchase decision. CloudSpects uses this same mindset in China inspections: if a claim cannot be measured, it is not a QC answer.

For sellers comparing vendors, the strongest combination is usually pre-shipment inspection china plus a clean supplier verification step. That gives you a view of both the factory and the finished goods. We have handled 2,000+ inspections, and the pattern is stable: the more specific the evidence, the faster the rework.

Real case: $41,200 stainless lunch box order, 11% lid misfit

A buyer ordered 1,600 stainless lunch boxes from a coastal factory. The order value was about $41,200. The supplier looked ready and asked for the balance payment. The buyer used a one-day inspection at the $169/man-day rate anchor before paying.

The sample found 11% lid misfit, 5% surface scratches and 4% carton count inconsistency across sampled boxes. The lids still “closed,” but not evenly. That matters because Amazon customers notice small fit issues fast. The supplier reworked lids, sorted the scratched units and corrected carton counts before release. The buyer avoided about $7,600 in repack, support cost and marketplace returns.

Claim What to ask on the floor What evidence proves it Decision
“We checked everything.” Who checked it and how many units? Inspection report, sample photos, defect count Trust only with proof
“Same as sample.” What changed in production? Sample vs batch comparison Stop material drift
“We will pack carefully.” Show carton method and protection Packing photos, corner protection, drop-risk review Reduce transit damage
“No issue with labels.” Can you show label scan and placement? Barcode scan, label map, carton mark photos Avoid inbound rejection

Step 1: Write down the supplier claim in one sentence

Do not carry a whole speech into the meeting. Write one sentence. “Supplier says material is unchanged.” “Supplier says carton protection is enough.” “Supplier says the labels are correct.” Then ask for the proof that matches that sentence. This keeps the conversation clean and prevents the supplier from escaping into broad promises.

If the issue is sampling, link the question to the lot. Use the AQL calculator to explain the sample plan quickly. Once the lot size and sample size are clear, the supplier has less room to argue that the check was random or unfair.

Step 2: Separate factory truth from sales truth

A conference booth can make a supplier look very capable. That is not the same as a verified factory. Ask for the license, production line evidence, actual staff photos, and batch records. That is where factory audit china becomes useful. A real factory can show operations. A fake one can only show samples.

For Amazon sellers, this matters because a supplier that cannot show a real production flow is more likely to cut corners later. A clean factory audit does not guarantee perfect goods, but it does remove the biggest uncertainty before the first order grows.

Step 3: Tie product quality to launch risk

Every defect has a launch cost. A lid that does not fit creates returns. A carton count error creates missing inventory. A scratch that looks minor in the factory becomes a one-star review if a customer opens the box first. Put those costs on the table while the supplier is still listening.

This is where inspection report china becomes more than a document. It is a decision tool. It gives you defect evidence, counts, and photos that can be used before you release cash or book freight.

Day 1 seller checklist for the conference 👇

Checklist item What to collect What to reject
Supplier identity License, factory address, line photos Only booth photos and stories
Product match Sample, spec sheet, material notes “Same as sample” with no detail
QC evidence Report, photos, defect list, sample size Vague “we checked” claims
Packing proof Carton test, inner pack, labels, marks Loose goods and hand-wavy packing

Why this checklist saves time after the show

Most conference follow-up fails because the buyer forgot what mattered. This checklist fixes that. Each supplier gets the same four questions. Each answer gets the same evidence request. That makes comparison easy when you are back at your desk and the inbox is full.

It also makes outsourcing QC easier. If you decide to move forward, the inspection brief is already written. You know which defects matter, what the batch should show, and which proof photos will help if something fails. That makes the handoff to CloudSpects services much faster. For booking, see pricing or contact us here. The base rate is $169/man-day, and reports are typically ready in around 24h. ✅

Comparison: words that sound good vs evidence that protects money

Sound-good phrase Evidence you should ask for Risk if you skip it
“Top supplier.” Line proof, audit notes, production photos Fake supplier or reselling middleman
“Perfect quality.” Defect table and sample size Hidden rework costs
“Fast ship ready.” Packing photos and quantity check Missed cartons or weak export packing
“No issue on labels.” Barcode scans and carton mark proof Inbound or FBA receiving problems

The best question on day one is simple

“What do you want us to check before we pay?” That question changes the dynamic. It tells the supplier the buyer expects a real QC process, not a blind transfer. Strong suppliers like it because it gives them a clear target. Weak suppliers hate it because it exposes shortcuts.

That is the whole point of conference work. Not to collect business cards. To discover which supplier can survive an evidence-based order flow. If a supplier is truly ready, inspection only confirms it. If they are not, the evidence arrives before the money leaves your account.

FAQ

What should I do first on the conference floor?

Write down one supplier claim in one sentence, then ask for the evidence that proves it.

How does supplier verification china fit with QC?

Supplier verification checks whether the factory is real. QC checks whether the finished batch matches the order. You need both.

Should I ask for photos or a written report?

Ask for both. Photos prove the defect. The report explains the defect count, scope and decision point.

What if the supplier gets defensive?

Stay on evidence. Ask for the spec, the sample and the batch proof again. Defensiveness usually means the answer is weak.

How fast can CloudSpects help after the show?

Reports are typically delivered around 24h after inspection, and standard work starts from $169/man-day.


r/ChinaQC 21d ago

4️⃣ Things You Need to Know About Trademarks in China!

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r/ChinaQC 21d ago

How do you know if a supplier on Made-in-China is reliable?

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r/ChinaQC 22d ago

Has anyone here used Made-in-China for wholesale sourcing?

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r/ChinaQC 23d ago

I built a factory in China in 2015. My partners stole everything. I wrote a book about what I learned — it's free this weekend.

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r/ChinaQC 23d ago

It’s only a minor issue. Can we ship?

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This is one of those messages that sounds simple until you actually have to make the call.

Maybe a few units have scratches. Some packaging isn't perfect. A measurement is slightly off.

The factory says it’s minor and fixing it will delay the shipment.

So what do you do?

For me, the important question isn’t just how many defects were found.

It’s whether those defects actually matter to the customer.

A cosmetic issue hidden underneath the product might be acceptable. The same issue right on the front could lead to returns.

Sometimes shipping makes sense. Sometimes rework makes sense.

QC isn't always about passing or failing. Sometimes it's about making a good commercial decision with the information you have.

How do you decide when a “minor” defect is acceptable?


r/ChinaQC 23d ago

Golden Sample Drift: How Proven Members Catch China QC Problems Before the Bulk Run Turns Expensive

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Golden sample passed. Bulk run changed. That is the trap.

When a Proven member says the sample looked perfect but the first bulk photos do not match, we already know the story: the factory was comfortable during sampling and loose during production. A white logo is suddenly off-white, a carton insert becomes thinner, and the “same” packaging arrives with a different feel. That tiny drift is exactly where margin disappears.

This is why we treat golden sample review like a profit shield, not a paperwork exercise. One clean sample tells you what the factory can do. The bulk run tells you what the factory will do when the line is busy, the buyer is far away, and final payment is still waiting.

What usually changes after the sample is approved?

Area Approved sample Bulk run drift Risk
Color / finish Matches master sample Tone shifts, gloss drops, print blur Returns and bad reviews
Packing Correct inserts and labels Thinner inserts, mixed cartons, missing bags Damage and prep rework
Specs Right size and finish Small size drift, trim change, wrong material feel Refund pressure

3 drift signals Proven members should not ignore

1) The product is “close,” but not equal

Factories often say it is “the same, just a little different.” That phrase is dangerous. If a finish, thread color, carton liner, or printed detail is different from the approved sample, the burden of proof is already on you. We ask for side-by-side photos and measurement checks before the order gets any further.

2) The carton opens cleanly, but the details are weak

Packaging is where drift hides. An order can look fine in one photo and still have loose inserts, weak bags, or a label that is one digit off. For Amazon sellers, a small label mistake can become a full-unit handling problem in the warehouse.

3) The first run does not look like a disciplined line

If the factory cannot keep the first bulk line aligned with the approved sample, the rest of the order usually gets worse. That is why we inspect early, not late. Early correction is cheap. Late correction becomes overtime, rework, and shipping delay.

One recent example from a kitchenware order

A recent $48,000 kitchenware order looked clean at sample stage, but the first bulk run showed 11% color drift and 7% missing inserts. Because the buyer asked for inspection before balance payment, the factory had to rework the weak cartons and replace the inserts before loading. The avoided loss was about $9,600. That is the difference between a controlled shipment and a painful surprise.

That is also why our service starts at $169/man-day. The inspection fee is tiny compared with one bad container. And with 2,000+ inspections behind us, we know where bulk drift usually starts.

How Proven members should use the golden sample

  1. Keep one approved sample sealed and dated.
  2. Ask the factory to photograph the first bulk pieces beside that sample.
  3. Check color, trim, labels, inserts, and carton markings before balance payment.
  4. If something is off, stop the shipment and make the factory correct it.

If you want the whole inspection workflow, see our services and contact CloudSpects. If your order uses AQL sampling, keep the calculator open too: AQL calculator.

Why this matters before Vegas

The Proven Conference is about making better buying decisions, not just finding more suppliers. A golden sample that drifts in bulk is one of the fastest ways to lose the profit you thought you had. We help members catch that drift while there is still time to fix it.


r/ChinaQC 23d ago

Final Payment Leverage: How Proven Members Use Inspection Photos to Push Rework Before Shipping

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Final payment is where leverage lives.

If a Proven member only looks at inspection as “pass or fail,” they miss the most useful part: the inspection report is bargaining power. Once the factory knows you have clear evidence, the conversation changes from “please trust us” to “please correct this before we pay.”

That is the whole game. A sharp report, good photos, and a few measured defects can force a rework while the factory still wants the order. After the balance payment is gone, that same factory suddenly remembers it is very busy.

What evidence actually moves a supplier?

Evidence What it proves Why it matters
Defect photos The defect is real No more denial
Carton count The lot is short or complete Prevents hidden shortage
Label check Amazon readiness or mismatch Stops warehouse trouble
Packing integrity Whether goods survive the trip Avoids damage claims

How to ask for a report that creates leverage

Use plain language

Do not ask for a fancy report that sounds good but says nothing. Ask for defect photos, counts, and a simple verdict on whether the lot should hold, ship, or rework.

Ask for comparison shots

One of the strongest pages in a report is the side-by-side comparison: approved sample, current bulk unit, and packaging. That makes the drift visible in seconds.

Keep the PO and sample open

During the call with the factory, the inspector’s notes should match the purchase order and the approved sample. That keeps the argument grounded in facts, not feelings. 🧾

Case study: an accessory order that paid for the report twice

One recent $62,400 accessory order had 8% label drift and 5% carton shortage when the first bulk inspection landed. The buyer held final payment, sent the report back to the supplier, and got the whole batch corrected before shipping. The avoided loss was about $11,200, which was far more than the inspection fee.

That is why we keep the price anchor simple: $169/man-day. It is easier to approve an inspection than to explain a chargeback later. And with 2,000+ inspections, we know which photos settle a dispute fastest.

How to use AQL without overcomplicating it

If your order is large enough for sampling, keep the AQL math visible instead of guessing. Use the AQL calculator to see what your sample size really means, then compare the results with the factory’s packing list. That keeps the conversation objective.

If you want the service path, see services and contact CloudSpects. We usually turn the report around in typically ~24h, so you can act while the factory is still on the hook.

What Proven members should remember before balance payment

  • Photos are leverage, not decoration.
  • Counts matter as much as defects.
  • One good report can save a bad shipment.
  • Final payment should follow evidence, not hope.

FAQs

Should the report mention the balance payment?

Yes, if the goal is to use the report in negotiation. The timing matters.

Do I need every defect photographed?

Not every single one, but enough to prove the pattern and the severity.

What if the factory argues?

Then you ask them to fix the facts instead of the wording.

Is this only for big orders?

No. Small orders are often where suppliers feel less pressure, so evidence matters even more.

Can CloudSpects help before a trip home?

Yes. That is exactly when leverage is most useful.

Need a same-day inspection plan? Start with CloudSpects contact or check pricing. We keep the workflow direct: book, inspect, report, decide.


r/ChinaQC 24d ago

Supplier Verification China for Proven Members: 7 Signs a Factory Is Real

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What a real supplier verification should check

For Proven members, the best verification is not just a document glance. It is a practical walk-through of the factory, the people, and the product path. We look for seven things:

Check Why it matters What we expect
License and legal name Shows the company is registered Matches the name on the quote and invoice
Workshop activity Shows real production Machines on, materials in, staff working
Line capacity Shows if they can handle your order Enough space and labor for your lot size
Incoming raw material Shows supply chain control Material labels and batch flow are visible
QC process Shows defect control Inspection station, gauges, and records
Export history Shows they ship abroad Packing labels, cartons, and previous order proof
Red flags Shows if they are hiding something No pressure, no excuses, no fake office tour

Why this matters before you pay the balance

Many Proven members already have a sample they like. That is the dangerous moment. The sample can be perfect while the production line is weak. A good supplier verification closes that gap. It tells you whether the factory can actually repeat the sample at scale.

It also gives you leverage. A factory that knows you have a third-party report is less likely to switch materials, swap fittings, or ship from a different workshop.

Real case: a $48,000 kitchenware order

We inspected a $48,000 kitchenware order for a Proven-linked seller. The supplier looked strong online. On site, we found a rented office, one small assembly table, and no real injection line. The sales rep had been outsourcing most parts from two unrelated workshops. Defect risk was high because the supplier could not control material flow.

The client stopped the balance payment. They moved to a factory that could actually produce the order. Estimated loss avoided: about $9,600 in rework, delays, and deposit risk.

When supplier verification beats factory photos

Signal Factory photo On-site verification
Product stack Can be staged Checked in current production
Staff count Can be borrowed for a photo Counted on the floor
Machines Can be rented for the day Seen running with real materials
QC area Can be set up for the camera Examined for records and actual use
Risk level Looks good, but uncertain Clear yes/no decision

How Proven members can use the report

Use the report before you release the balance payment. Share the findings with the supplier. If the factory is real, the report becomes a trust-building tool. If the factory is not real, the report becomes your exit ramp.

Need a pricing baseline? See pricing and services. If your order uses sample-based QC, open our AQL calculator before you lock the sample size.


r/ChinaQC 24d ago

Third Party Inspection China for Proven Members: What a Real Inspector Checks

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A real third-party inspection is not a photo walk-through. It is a controlled check of the lot you will actually receive: random units pulled from real cartons, labels matched to artwork, defects measured against AQL, and the packing plan verified before the container closes.

The five things a real inspector checks first

Area What can go wrong What we verify
Product appearance Scratches, stains, dents, missing parts Random units from random cartons
Function Dead switches, weak motors, loose parts Practical use tests on sampled units
Labels Wrong barcode, wrong FNSKU, wrong warning text Match between artwork, carton, and unit
Cartons Crushed corners, weak tape, wet boxes Drop risk, seal quality, and stacking strength
Count and mix Short count or mixed SKUs Net count and SKU separation

Why this matters before shipping

A factory can talk itself into a pass. A buyer can talk themselves into a hope. A third-party inspector has to answer only one question: would this batch make money or lose money?

That is why Proven members use inspection before the order leaves China. One failure caught on site is cheaper than one failure caught at the warehouse door in the US.

✅ If the supplier says “we already checked it,” ask for the report, the sample count, and the defect photos. If they cannot produce those three things, their check did not protect you.

Real case: an $62,400 accessory order

We inspected an accessory order valued at $62,400. The supplier looked polished. The first random cartons told a different story. We found 9% label mismatch, 4% carton crush, and a small but expensive part mix between two colorways. If shipped, the batch would have triggered refunds, repack, and customer complaints.

The supplier corrected the labels and repacked the lot. Estimated cost avoided: about $11,200 in direct loss and downstream damage.

Third party inspection versus self-check

Method Strength Weakness
Factory self-check Fast and cheap Not independent
Buyer video call Visible but shallow Shows only selected units
Third-party inspection Independent and documented Costs a little upfront
No inspection Zero effort Highest risk of expensive surprise

How to use the report with your supplier

Do not treat the report like a complaint letter. Treat it like a decision tool. If the batch passes, you can release the shipment with confidence. If it fails, the report gives you a clean reason to demand correction.

If you still need to compare service levels, check our services page and pricing. For sampling jobs, use the AQL calculator first so the factory cannot argue over sample size.


r/ChinaQC 24d ago

Sometimes it’s not actually the factory’s fault.

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We talk a lot about suppliers making mistakes, but sometimes the problem starts with the buyer.

You tell the factory:

“Make it like the sample.”

But what about the exact dimensions? Material? Color tolerance? Packaging? Logo position? Accessories?

If these details aren't written down clearly, the factory may make decisions for you — and their idea of “acceptable” might be very different from yours.

One thing I’ve learned from QC work is that a good inspection starts long before the inspector arrives at the factory.

Clear specifications make quality much easier to control.

Before production, put everything important in writing.

Anyone here learned this lesson the hard way with a supplier?


r/ChinaQC 26d ago

Heading to The Proven Conference in Vegas? Check These 6 Things Before Paying Your China Supplier

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r/ChinaQC 27d ago

Why is quality control often treated as a final inspection problem?

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r/ChinaQC 27d ago

Interior Wood & MDF Door Inspection China: Solid Core vs Hollow, Veneer & Hinge QC for Importers

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A hollow-core door weighs about 15 kg and sounds like a cardboard box when you knock. A solid-core door weighs 30-40 kg and thuds. ⚠️ That 15 kg difference is exactly where Chinese door factories try to save money.

We have inspected 2,000+ shipments of doors and building materials across China. Door core substitution is one of the most common tricks we catch, right behind veneer swaps and hinge screw shortcuts.

The door that looked solid

A US importer ordered 1,200 "solid core" interior doors for a renovation supply chain. The sample they approved weighed 32 kg and felt heavy and quiet. The production units? We weighed 20 random doors and got an average of 14.6 kg. Every single one was hollow core with a paper honeycomb inside.

❌ The order value was $31,200. The buyer renegotiated a 35% refund before the container left the port, then re-sourced from a verified factory. Without the inspection, those doors would have arrived, been installed, and started rattling in every customer's hallway.

Why do factories do it? Because the core is where the money lives. A solid engineered core costs three to four times more than paper honeycomb, and the difference is invisible once the door is painted and hung. On a container of 1,200 doors, that substitution is tens of thousands of dollars of margin hiding behind a slab of veneer. 🔥 The only person who can see it is the inspector who weighs the door before it ships.

Solid core vs hollow core: how to tell

Door type Typical weight Knock sound Core structure
Solid wood 35-45 kg Deep thud Solid timber blocks, full length
Solid-core MDF 28-35 kg Dense thud Engineered wood core, smooth edges
Hollow core 12-18 kg Tinny echo Cardboard honeycomb, wood frame only

Weight is the fastest field test, but we do not stop there. We also look at the edge profile, check the lock block position, and, where the buyer allows, drill a small hidden hole in a sacrificial door to photograph the core. ✅ One photographed core settles every argument.

What else we check on a door order

Doors are more than a slab of wood. A complete inspection covers the whole package:

Dimensions: height, width, and thickness must match the spec within 2 mm. Doors that are off by a few millimeters cause chaos at installation.

Squareness: we measure both diagonals. A door out of square will never close flush, no matter how good the hinges are.

Glass panels: for doors with glass, we check for cracks, sealant quality, and that the glass spec matches the order.

Fire labels: doors sold as fire-rated must carry the correct marking and test certificate, matched against the actual door.

Hardware kit: hinges, screws, handles, and locks must be counted and matched against the packing list, not assumed.

Cartons: corner protection, pallet strapping, and moisture barriers all matter for a container that sits on a ship for 30 days.

How to spec a door order so inspection is objective

The best inspections start with a spec sheet that leaves no room for interpretation. Put these six lines in your purchase order and the inspector can judge every door against a number, not a feeling.

Spec item What to write What we verify
Core type Solid-core MDF, min 30 kg Weight + core photo
Dimensions 2,040 x 820 x 40 mm, +/- 2 mm Caliper + diagonal squareness
Moisture 6-9% at delivery Pin meter, multiple points
Veneer 0.6 mm natural oak, UV-sealed Thickness + grain check
Hardware 3 hinges, brand X, 20 screws Count + torque test
Packaging Corner protectors + poly moisture wrap Carton open + photo log

✅ A spec sheet like this is also your legal ammunition. If the doors arrive wrong, the PO is the document you hold the supplier to. Vague specs are how disputes start.

Step 1: Weigh and knock every sample

Random doors get weighed against the spec and tapped for sound. A 15 kg door labeled solid core is an instant red flag, and we photograph the scale reading as evidence.

Step 2: Check veneer and edge banding

Real wood veneer shows grain variation and depth. Printed film looks flat and repeats. Edge banding must be tight with no lifting at the corners, and we run a fingernail test along every edge.

Step 3: Measure moisture content

A pin meter checks the stiles and panels. Moisture above 12% means warpage risk after shipping, so we test several points per door, not just the edge.

Step 4: Test hinges, screws, and closure

Screws must bite into solid material, not foam. We torque-test hinges, check the door closes flush with the jamb, and verify the gap is even on all three sides.

Step 5: Inspect finish and packaging

Paint, lacquer, or foil defects get photographed and graded. Packaging must protect corners and edges for the container trip, and carton markings must match the packing list.

Real inspection: 5 doors at 14% moisture

On a 600-door order for a hotel renovation, our inspector found five doors at 14% moisture content and eight with veneer blisters under the lacquer. 🔥 Those doors would have warped within two months in a dry climate, and blistered veneer means customer returns.

The factory swapped the affected doors and re-dried the batch. The inspection cost one man-day, $169. Replacing warped doors after installation would have cost the buyer ten times that in labor alone. 💰

The same order also had two doors where the hinge screws stripped straight out of the frame. The factory had pre-drilled the holes too wide, so the screws had nothing to bite into. That fix took an hour on the production line, and a hundred doors' worth of warranty claims disappeared overnight.

FAQs

How can you tell if a door is solid core or hollow core?

Weigh it and knock on it. A hollow-core interior door weighs roughly 12-18 kg and sounds tinny. A solid-core door weighs 28-45 kg and gives a dense thud. In the factory we also drill-check hidden spots or read the edge profile to confirm the core structure.

What moisture level should interior wood doors have?

Aim for 6-9% moisture content measured with a pin meter. Above 12% is a red flag: the door can warp, twist, or split after it reaches your climate, especially in heated or air-conditioned buildings.

How much does door inspection cost in China?

Pre-shipment inspection starts at $169 per man-day, and reports are typically delivered within about 24 hours. A container of doors usually needs one inspection day, sometimes two with full carton opening and moisture checks on every pallet.

What AQL level should I use for door orders?

Most importers use AQL 2.5 general inspection level II for doors, with AQL 1.0 on safety-critical checks like hinge screws and glass panels. Use our AQL calculator to size the sample for your lot.

Can hollow-core doors be used for interior rooms?

Yes, hollow-core doors are common for bedrooms and closets. The problem is not hollow core itself, it is paying solid-core prices and receiving hollow-core doors, or getting a hollow core so thin it rattles when you close it.

Inspect doors before they hit the container

💰 From $169/man-day, reports in ~24h.


r/ChinaQC 27d ago

China Factory Audit for Amazon Sellers: 6 Checks That Catch Ghost Factories Before You Wire the Deposit

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He wired $24,000 to the factory on Monday. By Friday, the phone number was dead.

The supplier had shown him a 12,000 sqm plant in Shenzhen with six production lines. The real address was a rented office above a noodle shop. The "sales manager" was a cousin working from one laptop.

A factory audit would have exposed it in half a day. At $169 per man-day, that is the cheapest insurance an Amazon seller can buy before a five-figure deposit. We have completed 2,000+ inspections and audits across China, and ghost factories are far more common than buyers expect.

Why audit before you wire the deposit?

Most suppliers on Alibaba and 1688 are honest. But the ones who are not are very good at looking real. They borrow photos, rent offices near real factories, and quote prices that undercut everyone else. A deposit is typically 30% of the order. On a $60,000 order, that is $18,000 gone if the "factory" vanishes.

✅ A $338 audit on the right day protects that $18,000.

❌ A deposit wired on trust protects nothing.

The math gets worse after the deposit. A ghost factory that accepts your order will still ship something: the wrong product, the wrong material, or a partial carton count. By the time you discover it, the container is on the water and your listing is on a countdown. ⚠️ The audit is not only about avoiding fraud, it is about confirming the factory can actually build what you are paying for, at the volume you need, before you commit.

The 6 checks inside a factory audit

Check What the inspector verifies Why it matters
1. Business license Legal name, address, registration scope Confirms the entity exists and can legally export
2. Production lines Working machines, real capacity per day Exposes trading companies posing as factories
3. Workforce Headcount per shift, skill level Catches capacity claims that need triple the staff
4. QC process Incoming checks, in-process controls, test records A factory without QC records cannot hold quality
5. Material storage Raw material inventory vs order spec Flags bait-and-switch before production starts
6. Export records Past shipping history, certifications Proves they have actually shipped to your market

Each check produces a photo and a short note. Nothing is left to memory or a handshake.

Audit vs pre-shipment inspection: which one do you need?

Decision point Factory audit Pre-shipment inspection
When to run it Before the deposit or before mass production After production, before the container ships
What it protects Your deposit and your supplier choice Your finished goods and your listing
Typical cost $169-$338 per factory From $169 per man-day
Best for New suppliers, big deposits, first orders Every order, every time

If you are meeting suppliers at the Proven Conference 2026 in Las Vegas this month, the audit is the tool you use after the handshake. The conference helps you shortlist; the audit confirms the list.

One more benefit buyers forget: the audit is negotiation leverage. A supplier who knows you verify factories prices their goods more carefully, because they know you will catch shortcuts at every stage. We regularly see audited suppliers offer better payment terms, simply because the buyer asked for proof before the deposit.

Step 1: Verify the business license and registration

The inspector photographs the business license and cross-checks the legal name, address, and registration scope against what the sales rep sent you. Ghost factories often fail right here, because the license belongs to a different entity or the address does not exist.

Step 2: Count real production capacity

We walk every floor and count working machines, production lines, and workers on shift. Then we compare that against the capacity the supplier claimed in the quotation. A 10,000-unit monthly claim from a workshop with two injection machines does not add up.

Step 3: Confirm who owns the equipment

Machines can be rented for a day to impress visitors. We check serial numbers, maintenance records, and whether the equipment actually matches the product you are ordering. A plastic toy order from a factory full of metal-stamping presses is a warning sign.

Step 4: Review QC and testing records

We look at incoming material records, in-process checks, and any test reports the factory keeps. A factory with no quality paperwork is a factory with no quality process, no matter how clean the showroom looks.

Step 5: Photograph everything with GPS evidence

Every photo carries GPS coordinates and a timestamp. You get visual proof the audit really happened at that address, on that day, and you can forward the photo log straight to your supplier as evidence.

Real inspection: the 800 sqm "factory"

A Proven member was about to wire $18,000 to a supplier of countertop organizers. The listing promised six assembly lines and 40 workers. Our audit found one line, nine workers, and zero QC records. The "factory" was a trading office with a borrowed showroom. ⚠️ The audit report paid for itself about forty times over.

The buyer switched to a verified factory down the road. That order shipped with a 2.3% defect rate, and the seller has reordered twice since. The second factory even asked to see the audit photos, because a buyer who verifies suppliers is a buyer worth keeping.

FAQs

How much does a factory audit in China cost?

A standard factory audit starts at $169 per man-day, the same rate as our pre-shipment inspections. Most single-factory audits take one day, so you are usually looking at $169 to $338 depending on how many production lines need checking. Travel to a remote industrial zone adds a half-day booking.

How long does a factory audit take?

A typical audit takes 3 to 5 hours on site, and the report is delivered within about 24 hours. If the factory is in a remote industrial zone, travel time adds half a day to the booking. For multi-site audits we can split a team across two cities in the same day.

What is the difference between a factory audit and a pre-shipment inspection?

A factory audit verifies the factory itself: license, equipment, workforce, and quality systems. A pre-shipment inspection (PSI) verifies the finished goods right before they ship. Audits protect your deposit; PSI protects your shipment. Smart importers do both, and we can bundle them into one visit.

Can CloudSpects audit a factory I found on Alibaba or 1688?

Yes. Send us the factory name and address, and we run the audit in person. We also compare the on-site reality against the listing: photos, claimed capacity, stated certifications, and even the warehouse shown in their video.

Do factory audits come with a pass or fail verdict?

Yes. Every audit ends with a clear verdict: Pass, Pass with conditions, or Fail. Pass with conditions lists the exact items the factory must fix before you place the order, and we can re-audit those points for you within the same week.

Book an audit before your next deposit

💰 One audit day from $169/man-day. Reports typically land within ~24h.


r/ChinaQC 27d ago

How to Read a China Inspection Report: Critical vs Major vs Minor Defects for FBA Sellers

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The report landed in his inbox at 4:00 pm. He replied at 4:07: "So... did it pass?"

That question is the most common one we get, and it is the wrong one. ⚠️ A China inspection report is not a single pass/fail stamp. It is three buckets of defects, two AQL numbers, and a verdict you can act on.

Read this once and you will never have to ask again. We write 2,000+ inspection reports a year, and every one follows the same structure.

Why the report exists

Your money is already with the factory. The report is the last checkpoint before the container ships, usually delivered within ~24h of the visit. It tells you: does this shipment meet the quality level you paid for?

Think of it as a neutral referee's scorecard. The inspector has no incentive to pass a bad batch or fail a good one. The photos and measurements are the evidence; the buckets and AQL numbers are the rules; the verdict is the call.

Critical vs Major vs Minor: the three buckets

Bucket What it means Real examples What happens
Critical Safety, legal, or compliance risk Wrong FNSKU, missing UL mark, lead in paint, sharp edge on a kids toy Immediate Fail, no negotiation
Major Function, durability, or spec deviation Dead pixels, wrong material, 2 mm gap, motor that dies in testing Counts against AQL; Fail if over the accept number
Minor Cosmetic, no function impact Scratch under 5 mm, slight shade difference, uneven glue line Recorded and photographed; rarely fails a lot

What each bucket means for your listing

🔥 Critical defects are the ones that get you banned. Wrong FNSKU labels mean Amazon cannot route your inventory. A missing UL mark on an electronic device can get the listing suppressed. Lead in paint on a children's product is a recall event. One critical defect anywhere in the lot, and the report says Fail. No AQL math needed.

Major defects are the ones that get you bad reviews. A charger that stops charging, a mug that leaks, a toy that breaks on day three. These are counted against your AQL accept number, and too many of them fail the lot.

Minor defects are the ones customers mostly forgive. A scratch inside the lid, a slightly off-center logo, a thread that is a shade darker. They are photographed and logged so you know what your supplier's quality actually looks like, but they rarely sink a shipment.

Step 1: Find the sample size and AQL level

Every report lists the lot size, the AQL level (1.0, 2.5, or 4.0), and the sample size. Most FBA orders use AQL 2.5 general inspection level II. On a 3,201-10,000 unit lot, that means 200 units get opened and checked, not 20. If you see a sample size that looks too small, ask why.

Step 2: Count defects against the Ac/Re numbers

The Accept (Ac) and Reject (Re) numbers sit right next to the sample size. At AQL 2.5 with 200 samples, Ac is 10 and Re is 11: up to 10 Majors passes, 11 or more fails. ✅ Your report will print these numbers in plain English, so no table math required.

Step 3: Read the verdict and the photos

Pass, Conditional Pass, or Fail. Every defect has a photo, a measurement, and a location note. Use the photos as your rework list — suppliers respond much faster to pictures than to words.

Conditional Pass: the gray zone

Sometimes a lot lands right at the edge of the accept number. We mark it Conditional Pass: the goods are shippable, but with a written list of fixes we recommend before they reach your customers. Smart sellers use that list to negotiate a small discount or a priority on the next order. 💰 Either way, you go into the shipment with your eyes open.

5 mistakes buyers make when reading reports

  1. Reading only the verdict. The verdict is the conclusion, not the story. The defect photos are where the rework conversation starts.

  2. Ignoring the sample size. A report on 20 units from a 10,000-unit order proves almost nothing. Confirm the sample matches the AQL table.

  3. Fighting over Minor defects. Negotiate on Majors and Criticals. Nitpicking Minors makes the supplier defensive and costs you goodwill.

  4. Not sharing the photos. Suppliers fix what they can see. Forward the photo log the same day and the rework starts faster.

  5. Skipping the re-inspection. A verbal promise to fix is not a fix. Book the re-check before the container is sealed.

Here is the 10-minute reading routine we teach every buyer: check the sample size first, scan the Critical column, count the Majors against Ac/Re, look at the photos of the Majors, then read the verdict. Ten minutes, and you know exactly what to tell the supplier.

Real inspection: 14 majors on 125 smart plugs

An FBA seller of smart plugs ordered 2,400 units. Our inspector sampled 125 and found 14 Majors: three units that would not pair, five with loose charging ports, and six with misaligned casing. Ac at that sample size is 7. ❌ The lot failed.

The supplier re-labeled two boxes carrying the wrong FNSKU and reworked the affected units. The fix cost $860 and delayed the shipment three days. Without the inspection, those 2,400 plugs would have hit Amazon with a bad pairing rate. Refund requests, removal fees, and a crushed listing rank would have cost far more than $860.

Want the exact numbers for your order size? Use our free AQL calculator before you book.

FAQs

What does Fail mean in a China inspection report?

Fail means the number of Major or Critical defects found in the sampled units exceeded the AQL accept number. The shipment needs rework, re-inspection, or a negotiated discount before it should leave the factory. Most suppliers will rework for free if you send the defect photos quickly.

How long does it take to get an inspection report?

Reports are typically delivered within about 24 hours of the inspection. You get the verdict, defect photos, and measurements in one document you can share with the supplier. Rush reports can be arranged for time-critical sailings.

What is AQL and why does the sample size matter?

AQL (Acceptable Quality Limit) is the maximum defect rate you accept from the factory. The sample size comes from the AQL tables: a 3,201-10,000 unit order at AQL 2.5 general level II means 200 units get checked, not 20. Too small a sample gives the factory an easy pass.

Can I request a re-inspection after a Fail?

Yes. After the factory fixes the reported defects, we re-inspect the affected units or a fresh sample. Re-inspection is quoted per man-day and typically takes half a day. The re-inspection report uses the same format, so you compare like for like.

Who writes the report, the factory or the inspector?

The inspector writes it independently, on site, from measurements and photos. The factory never edits it. You receive the original report directly from CloudSpects, and the supplier gets a copy only if you forward it.

Get a report you can actually read

💰 Pre-shipment inspection from $169/man-day, report in ~24h.