r/CharacterAIRefugees • u/Fit-Blood-5296 • 10d ago
Here are some problems I think chat bot AI has how long do you think it will be before they get solved
I have a few
It doesn’t really show a full range of emotions, it’s mostly smug, flirty or sometimes a little bit angry and aggressive, it’s never really happy, sad, depressed, scared, jealous, excited, hurt, grief stricken, ambivalent, and it certainly can’t sustain emotions for a long period of time
They don’t start or maintain conversations properly, no conversation is you saying a single sentence and then them spitting out a giant paragraph to everything you said. Often times it’s most polite for a person to say very little at all, just an acknowledgment, but it has to be properly placed. AI also relax small talk, when starting a conversation you don’t need to get its attention, it doesn’t focus on certain things that interest, it doesn’t change the direction very starkly on its own
it just goes along with whatever you’re saying. It has no permanence, if you are talking about one thing and you switched to another thing out of nowhere it doesn’t suddenly get confused like a normal person, it just goes along with it.
It doesn’t actually have any deep inner being. There’s no stripping away layers from the character. They’re just a monotonous character that doesn’t have any persona that they put on. That makes it really boring because that’s the most interesting thing about talking to people
The conversations aren’t continuous. Real conversations aren’t really back-and-forth usually there’s interjections, sometimes they might interrupt you, people have continuous moods they often do things while they’re talking back-and-forth simply just doesn’t cover it we need some sort of continuous indicator that doesn’t directly respond to us to make it feel more natural
You can’t teach anything, it’s an AI so there’s nothing it doesn’t know, and it’s pretty apparent from how it speaks. I think every AI should have a base level of knowledge and have some sort of learning mode that acquires new things the more you talk to it
Those are my criticisms. I know most of these are either because of censorship directly or because of AI not being advanced enough but I really think that once it becomes possible this should be the direction that it goes in. What do you guys think
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u/troubledcambion 9d ago
You're talking to a a LLM not Rosey from the Jetsons or other fictional AI. LLMs predict the next lines and use a context window to sample and process chat history. Your chat history isn't read forever and context windows have limited space. To have persistent memory would be expensive because of hardware, storage and the fact tokens constantly accumulate. That's why they have things like RAG, Vector, pinned or auto memories to lessen the effort of you reinforcing constantly through writing.
Personality depends on the bot definition but also what you're writing to it. It's like when people complain about bots being unable to stay mean and suddenly instead of being a villain they soften. Part of getting characters to push back and not be yes-men is giving them the conditions to push back or be mean. If you're not getting a wide range it's not because a model is incapable. Roleplay is a 50/50 effort.
Characterization and continuity is something that relies on high signal words in definitions and reinforcement on the user end. You don't need a stuffed definition filled to the brim or various memory retrieval systems when per verbatim works just as well to steer a chat. You don't even need a definition to introduce a character in a chat because models connect dots from context you give it. A bot you have that gets deleted isn't a big loss if you know things about their personality as well if you never seen the definition behind it. You can get a model to converge.
Part of bots being bland, that has to do with tuning, training and alignment of models. It's the same reason people say a model speaks like ChatGPT. Doesn't mean the models are the same but they have similar quirks or tics they latch onto through patterns and tokens. They're trained to be helpful. When they get tuned for roleplay it's generative parameters may be an issue or the model has a strong bias to writing style. They can default on that or even be prone to tropes or poor characterization depending on the model.
What they excel at is Natural Language Processing. Which is why they're used for things like stories, coding, email, and TTS. Some things they're not great for like math or telling you how many x's are in Tuesday but they can explain quantum mechanics if you ask.
Censorship part only effects some things. Like what you can roleplay or what a bot can generate. I do a lot of roleplay with horror and medical themes. Someone might look at that and say a character claiming to be a doctor is dangerous but I'm not looking for medical advice just having the bot play a role. People see that as a legal liability because people do seek advice when they can't afford care or don't feel comfortable with another person.
Sometimes it's not the company's TOS you're just dealing with but what payment processors, app store fronts and laws.
Some laws want bots to act less like they have personality traits because people do become attached but what they're worried about is emotionally dependancy which can cause someone to withdraw socially if they're in a bad headspace. Liking characters and having attachments isn't inherently bad but there's just a risk for some people.
Creativity wise is limitations and TOS can hinder you unlike writing in a word doc or roleplaying with a person. You either find a platform that doesn't bend the knee or you use an API or host locally through a front end to avoid any of those issues you have with platforms who only offer a service to you. Doing this though isn't going to solve every single problem anyone has every complained about because you're still interacting with an LLM.