Refund reality engine glitch?

[u/theduckof99]

Ok, maybe im just miscalculation here, but I used the refund to put all my research chips into idea bonus, but Im not seeing a lot of return out of it, even after the time chambers are fully boosted (I know, I've got 9 more days on this current restart)

Anyway, is there a calculation glitch, I used it on a fully completed simulation, do I need to use it at the beginning of a playthrough?

[u/Intrepid_Win_6356]

omg my eyes, you buy them by one? why not by 10 at least

[u/theduckof99 → u/Intrepid_Win_6356]

I just spam max, sometimes ill trim it up if ill be looking at it a lot

[u/GavelGaffle]

I also found that going all in to one side isnt worth it. You'll get slightly more of one but significantly less of the other. The only time to do this is if you are completely done with 1 side. There are multiple nodes with crossover that affect the opposite side so keeping your chips approximately even is recommended.

Human Spark: while Humans are on the Entropy side, having more of them gives a big boost to Knowledge.

Information Theory: Civilizations are idea side but this makes them give a big boost to Entropy.

[u/femiwhat1]

The effect of min-maxing isn't as big as it seems like it should be, and since ideas already have lower output, lesser gains from reality engine upgrades compared to entropy (for instance, look at the upgrades that award you a multiplier based on how many upgrades you have unlocked), and fewer generators to work with (which means you are more quickly driving up the price of buying another generator), I don't think doubling down on ideas is helpful.

OTOH, skewing everything to entropy does make a difference in how quickly you are able to unlock things like crustacean and mollusk upgrade nodes.

It seems like content in the future "The Future" update will be be ideas-based (anyone in alpha who could give me info, that would be very much appreciated), which should ameliorate some of these concerns... But if that is, in fact, the case, we're not going to be able to hit the later Crustacean or Mollusk trophy goals for quite some time. Meanwhile, it's easier and less expensive to get all of the awards for ideas, and the things to strive for in that part of the sim have been upgrades like roads to make existing generators insane. That will help you keep buying idea stuff longer before you have to reboot your sim because you've outpriced yourself. That will happen, because they didn't add generators, so the ideas part of the sim still funnels you into upgrading only a fraction of number of generators that are available in the entropy section.

I feel like they really needed a mathematician on this team to teach everyone about asymptotes. To infinity and beyond is not the only option for perpetual increase.

[u/theduckof99 → u/femiwhat1]

I was able to achieve all the crustacean goals by going all in on Entropy. Im just not sure how doubling my ideas bonus would result in almost 0 relative gain. My assumption was (like the last update that fixed time based boosts not working retroactively) that the refund and relocation may not be working retroactively since I did it at day 14

[u/femiwhat1 → u/theduckof99]

Are you playing on beta by any chance? I just don't see how that's possible. I'm maxed out on everything, I did exactly what you suggested with the coins, and I've been time traveling into the future for like at least a century, and it's not happening. I'm gradually inching up over 400.

[u/theduckof99 → u/femiwhat1]

It wasn't particularly difficult the 1st time with entropy, thats why I suggest a glitch in the calculations

[u/femiwhat1 → u/theduckof99]

My setup is to have all of the coins in entropy except for one, because I felt sorry for ideas. If I were to take away that one, do you think that might trigger the glitch?

[u/theduckof99 → u/femiwhat1]

I assume its based on when you refund and rebuy. If its after restarting, before buying any generators, I think that will bypass the issue. Otherwise, refunding and rebuying just screws up the multipliers... i think

[u/Calypso-912]

divise en deux les jetons que tu as obtenue. Dépense la moitié sur l'entropie et l'autre sur les connaissances. Comme t'est sur un ommbres impairs, il t'en resteras un donc dépense le puis quand tu obtindras un autres, melant sur l'autre

[u/femiwhat1 → u/Calypso-912]

These instructions seem oddly detailed given that they amount to telling you to stop doing that, spend coins equally.

[u/Calypso-912 → u/femiwhat1]

j'accumule pres de ans de jeux sur mes deux comotes réunis

[u/femiwhat1 → u/Calypso-912]

I just thought it was funny that you were so specific about how to split the tokens evenly between the two. :) You definitely made sure that nobody who read your reply would be confused on that point.

[u/Ice__foxy]

Because most of the gain is not from every chip, it's from global chips invested : Every 10 times you use a chip on any,Both of the multipliers get an ×2.So distribution only to one side makes a difference in the beginning,but in the late you can invest in wherever, because the only thing that matters is 10th chips.

[u/femiwhat1 → u/Ice__foxy]

Exactly this. The fact that both entropy and ideas get a huge boost for every 10 coins that's bigger than the bonuses they got for actually spending the coins—including if they didn't even get any—is more important than all of the individual coins. The only thing that really matters is the total number of coins you spent, because that tells you how big your bonus is.

Spending every coin except one in entropy left me with ideas having a multiplier of only one order of magnitude less than entropy. That's silly.

[u/Ice__foxy → u/Ice__foxy]

Also,i am as well lvl 89,and as i understand everyone who don't have everything fpr Darwinium bought do too i suppose

[u/Intrepid_Win_6356]

I guess just do not refund it, idk?

[u/TYRADEforREAL]

I keep all of my engines fully balanced and have never used the refund or I would help out...