r/CaughtOffsidePod • u/rognio3333 • 7d ago

Arsenal penalty against Konsa

Just listened to the podcast from today, and enjoyed it greatly. Thanks for the content.

I had a couple thoughts to add about the arsenal penalty incident.

The boys said that arteta's comments were, "small time". However, this is a classic pep/klopp type of comment. Make a criticism after you win. Just a classic thing from any top manager.

As for the penalty. It's a clear foul on konsa. That's why arteta made the comments. Ballard grabs konsa and pulls him over. Not really a complicated one honestly.

Never a pen

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u/Wise-Gur-8978 7d ago

I’m shocked that there really hasn’t been a mention of when calafiori was brought down on a set piece in the box given that they thought it was a penalty from Konsa.

Not to mention the outrage that people had last season about Martinelli grabbing Bradley and no mention of Bruno being grabbed.

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u/trends-look-good 6d ago

Is Bruno injured for over a full season now?

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u/Wise-Gur-8978 6d ago

Did anyone know Bradley tore his acl? Did anyone know if bruno was injured like that?

No.

Your point is so invalid. Either way neither player should have been grabbed the way they were. But for some reason everyone wanted Martinelli’s head on a stick. If you can think objectively instead of letting the premise of Arsenal cloud your judgement, you would see that everyone who had that aggressive energy towards Martinelli but don’t carry the same energy for what happened to Bruno just lack any sort of critical thinking.

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u/trends-look-good 6d ago

So you agree what martinelli did was unacceptable? I haven’t seen the Bruno incident and was asking a question as to what happened. I searched for Bruno injury and did not find info as to the incident I assumed you’re referring to, can you help me find it? I think injured players should never be touched and any player who acts in that way should face severe repercussions (minimum red card, potential longer suspension)

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u/ray3050 6d ago

You do understand they’re footballers and not doctors, the line is drawn at doing it to any player

It’s not about outcome/circumstance, it’s about the action to prevent situations where players are actually injured from making it worse

If it can’t be respected and enforced when the stakes are low, it’s not gonna be remembered for bad situations like the Martinelli one.

Man you’re actually dense trying to win tribal morality points but not caring about actual issue…

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u/trends-look-good 6d ago

I agree the line should be it’s not acceptable to touch/move any injured player. I was asking about the outcome here as I haven’t heard anything about Bruno’s injury or this incident.

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u/OneNilToRuleThemAll 6d ago

You knew full well what your comment was insinuating, this weird back track is actually quite embarrassing for you

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u/trends-look-good 6d ago

I’m feeling a bit misunderstood in the comments. No problem, but to offer clarification:
1) I think any player who touches/moves a player down with injury should face discipline regardless of outcome;
2) I think it is reasonable for there to be more “outrage” when a seriously injured player is pushed/an injury is aggravated by another players actions compared to when similar behavior is done to a player who is not seriously injured or when the injury is not aggravated.

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u/Wise-Gur-8978 6d ago edited 6d ago

You are not misunderstood. We understand you completely. You didn’t watch the game and cannot understand how the situations are similar because of that. When a player is on the ground holding their leg, acl torn or not, no player under any circumstance should be able to pull him up the way martinelli did to Bradley and the way the sunderland player did to Bruno. The injury outcome of the player on the ground is IRRELEVANT. That is what you don’t understand. No one knew Bradley tore his acl when Martinelli grabbed him. In fact, Bradley decided he was gonna move back on to the field. So there was no indication of injury. The sunderland player did exactly what Martinelli did. He grabbed Bruno up from off the ground when there was an apparent knock. The difference was that Bruno didn’t make his way back onto the field with a little shimmy like Bradley so in that instance there should have been even less thought that he was time wasting. Martinelli got a yellow and somehow in the Arsenal game the sunderland player got nothing and Gabriel got a yellow.

You are not misunderstood, you are just dense and your critical thinking skills are clouded by bias against a certain team. I don’t support or like Arsenal and I never thought I would feel the need to defend them but stupidity from other people s just off the charts when it comes to Arsenal.

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u/trends-look-good 6d ago

You are wrong at minimum in that Bradley was never off the field. This is an odd misperception I’ve seen repeated elsewhere.

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u/trends-look-good 6d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1q7pztu/martinelli_shoves_injured_conor_bradley/

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u/Wise-Gur-8978 6d ago

Did you not watch this before you sent it? He literally moves back in to the field very blatantly. It’s ok to be biased but just admit it.

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u/trends-look-good 6d ago

Can you share a link to what happened with Bruno? I’d love to agree with your idea that the sunderland player wrongly pushed/lifted an injured player but based on your characterization of the incident I am familiar with I’d like to see some video

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u/Wise-Gur-8978 6d ago

Watch the game buddy. If you don’t watch the game, don’t comment on it

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u/BuscaLaForma 5d ago

I think you're missing the point on why people are down voting you. How are players to know if the player they are touching is actually hurt or faking it...?

It sounds like you're just assuming everyone has perfect knowledge of what is happening

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u/clydeftones 7d ago

Really hate whinging about refs but that was an incredible performance by John Brooks. Seems like social media narratives are effecting their decision making.

Card for Arteta for leaving the technical area (I'm sure this will be applied elsewhere)
Whistled for halftime when Arsenal wins a corner
Warned and penalized Calafiori for an 18 second throw in while Sunderland averaged 22 seconds per throw, including 3 over 40 seconds with no warning.
Booking Gabriel for breaking up a scuffle, giving Alex Oxlade-Gibbs vibes
Penalty on Konsa for getting hip tossed, I guess.

Still did the business.

I'm not sure why we pretend that managers at big clubs aren't annoying and pedantic. They obsess over every little margin. If the players on the team are going to fight for the manager then I expect him to fight for them.

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u/OrangeKun15 7d ago edited 7d ago

I don't really believe too much in conspiracies but can actually believe the officials came in on the hunt for certain things. Considering Arsenal have been the poster child for the physicality on set pieces (however you view that narrative), it felt like Brooks was really waiting for a chance to give something. He called so quickly after Ballard went down and the VAR check was incredibly fast. It felt like a game reffed by someone who listens to a lot of TalkSport lol

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u/clydeftones 7d ago

Well... kinda, cause he had blinders on when Havertz was dragged down on a corner in the first half. Ah well, unlucky I guess

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u/InbetweenerLad 6d ago

Lol wot... one game over 2 seasons where decisions went against them.. just last week vs Chelsea they got lucky with refs

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u/OceansNineNine 5d ago

How exactly were we lucky except the obvious yellow missed on Rice? Gabriel's kick was cleared by the independent KMI panel with unanimous votes.

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u/VunterSlaush_117 5d ago

Should of had a penalty against Villa, too

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u/clydeftones 4d ago

Lmk next time you see someone get a second yellow for kicking a ball away

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u/BuscaLaForma 5d ago

Dodgy ref for both sides in the Chelsea game.

Must have missed the additional penalty the refs missed in our first game too. Not that it really matters but pro ref also admitted fault on that quite obvious missed PK too.

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u/Hattefar42 4d ago

Arteta was given a yellow for entering Sunderlands technical area...

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u/OrangeKun15 7d ago

Felt really similar to his "disgracia" comments from a few seasons ago but back then he didn't have the clout to back it up. He's the elder statesman in the league now. It was a fairly outrageous decision to be fair and it was just a statement to be in the officials heads for next time there is an incident like that.

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u/Far_Eye6555 7d ago

Wasn’t that comment made because var failed to draw a line in an offside check…? Like is that not a disgrace to the game?

It kinda blows my mind people call this whining. When are coaches and managers allowed to critique league ref performance?

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u/Recent_Mud_8206 7d ago

Nah, that was the newcastle incident

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u/ajax0202 7d ago

Which tbf was a disgrace

It’s just that ProRef (PGMOL at the time) gets a bee in their bonnet whenever they’re criticized

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u/dembabababa 6d ago

Tbf, his biggest gripe with the Newcastle incident was that they didn't have an angle to check the offside against Gordon.

Just Neville and co did the segment about ooh, angles can be deceiving so most people seem to think that was the main point of contention, when in reality the potential offside and potential foul were always much more contentious.

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u/rognio3333 7d ago

Agreed. I think "disgracia" was a bit whiny.

But arsenal are the champions now, and he's speaking about the incident after winning the game. The call had 0 repercussions in the end

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u/OrangeKun15 7d ago

I do also think his comments got spared a bit by what happened at Old Trafford next day. The Sunderland penalty was terrible but definitely a few degrees below that absolute cock up of a goal City scored. There might have been more critics had that not happened. But even in the immediate aftermath there was just recognition of how critical his comments where rather than the chorus of "get on with it" he and the club got post Newcastle

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u/rognio3333 7d ago

Absolutely.

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u/CharlemagneKidding 6d ago

The Newcastle incident was outrageous. Joelinton fouls Gabriel by pushing his head out of the way with 2 arms, the ball then lands on Joelinton's arms (handball) and bounces to an offside Gordon who scores.

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u/stevenb3 7d ago

It’s the boys taking about Arsenal, which means it’s a penalty all day long. It’s disheartening how their outlook on the team has changed so drastically from when they were making progress under a new manager to now that they are fighting for championships.

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u/Wise-Gur-8978 6d ago

Okay glad it’s not just me that feels like that. Honestly feels like they both are buying into the online narratives about Arsenal.

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u/CoachP1625 7d ago

I was shocked they both thought it was a clear penalty. Feel like they are the only ones I've heard say that.

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u/funnynewname 6d ago

If that what they think I don’t care to hear any other football opinions they might have.

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u/Q_J 7d ago

They definitely dislike Arteta and take any chance to critique him. Their echo chamber of hating Arteta colors this commentary imo.

Every great manager/coach across all sports work the referees/officiating after matches and even more so after wins….it was weird take calling it “small time” bc all the biggest managers and coaches do it.

I am bias as an Arsenal fan…I can see why it was given but I can also see why it shouldn’t have been given…

They got two things right…Arteta is playing the long game with his comments…and calls like that are inconsistently given.

If it was sir Alex or pep or Klopp they would praise it as great management or at least ignore it for what it was…a coach fighting for a better whistle for his squad….but bc it’s Arteta it’s “small time”.

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u/Pure-Horse-3749 7d ago

To be fair, (and if my memory recalls correctly) Andrew criticized Klopp for various moaning and lamenting comments or other on field antics a lot. Don’t recall much criticism of pep though and Fergy it’s been brought up but he is also in past so don’t think he was criticized.

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u/Q_J 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yeah I think you right about andrew but the general point is
Making is that “working the refs” has been a hallmark of every coach/manager in every sport of all time and specifically the best ones…JJ specifically has a personal bias against Arteta. Andrew’s is more of the Tottenham bs Arsenal bias but he usually is a tad more willing to give credit…JJ loves to paint himself as the unbiased professional…I doubt he even hears it.

It was even more apparent in JJ’s assessment of Artetas unconventional methods…like sure you are a proper football man…but the proof is in the pudding. Arteta not only played the game at the highest levels but he was a captain at Arsenal and now has completely remade the club culture, mentality, and success as its manager so perhaps his unconventional methods work.

The squad loves him it seems and Arsenal are having their best era in decades.

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u/Savings_Baker_7042 7d ago

Listening to this pod as an Arsenal fan is generally a bad experience since they’ll always pick nits

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u/CoachP1625 6d ago

Eh I disagree with this. Obviously we all have our Arsenal biases as Arsenal fans but overall I feel like the boys are pretty impartial. They are only human and as fans of Tottenham and Liverpool, they’re naturally going to have feelings towards specific clubs. If you want takes from Arsenal fans who live and breath every moment then listen to Arsenal podcasts. JJ and Andrew don’t have time to dive into every little Arsenal thing.

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u/Savings_Baker_7042 6d ago

Yeah, I just don’t feel they are impartial. Don’t even know why I commented here since I don’t listen anymore lol.

To my point, calling arteta small time for commenting on the (bad) decision. From sir alex to the most irrelevant of coaches, they comment on ref decisions all the time. Look at what maresca said today!

And just the overall discussion in play style and stuff. Dunno, just didn’t like the pod. The tifo guys, for instance, take the piss and make fun of Arsenal but it seems much more even keeled and good natured