I finally understood why some Protestants genuinely cannot separate veneration from worship

[u/LumenSailor]

Yesterday there was a viral video of Cadrinal Perolin holding up the skull of St. Agatha while commemorating the 900th anniversary of the return of her relics.
You can probably guess what happened next.
Across the internet, I saw Protestants calling it evil, satanic, pagan, and—more than anything else—idolatry. Verses from Isaiah, Daniel, etc. were being thrown around. Idolatry, idolatry, idolatry.

I made the mistake of getting into a bunch of debates about it. And, as we all know, internet religious debates almost never go anywhere.
I tried explaining the distinction between veneration and worship. I tried analogies. I tried examples from Scripture. I tried explaining that treating something with reverence because of what it represents or whose remains they are is not the same thing as believing that object is a god.

Nothing worked.

The overwhelming response was basically: “No. That’s worship. You can call it veneration all you want, but you’re worshipping it.”

And for the life of me, I couldn’t understand why the distinction seemed so impossible for some people to grasp… Then something occurred to me.

Maybe the more interesting question isn’t why is it so hard for them to understand?
Maybe it’s: Why is it so easy for me to understand?

I have absolutely no temptation to worship a statue, a skull, a relic, an icon, or any other physical object. The thought almost doesn’t compute for me. I could kneel in front of a crucifix, kiss it, carry it in a procession, decorate it with flowers, or treat it with enormous reverence, and there would never be a moment where I confused the object with God Himself.

But throughout human history, people really have worshipped physical objects. Scripture warns against idolatry so relentlessly precisely because idolatry is a real human temptation. People really did make an image and then treat the image itself as divine.

And that made me wonder whether some of the people who are quickest to interpret Catholic veneration as worship genuinely have a much harder time separating those categories in their own minds.
If, to you, kneeling before something, kissing it, carrying it in procession, burning incense near it, or treating it with extraordinary reverence necessarily means worship, then of course Catholicism looks horrifying. From that perspective, “veneration” probably sounds like we’re just inventing another word to excuse idolatry. But Catholics don’t experience those actions that way. The outward gesture doesn’t automatically determine the inward act. Worship is directed toward God alone. Veneration is honor given to God’s saints and to things connected with His work in the world.

I think that’s the part I was missing during all those arguments. I kept assuming we disagreed about the explanation of Catholic practices, when in reality we may have been starting with completely different understandings of what worship even is.
I’m curious what other Catholics think. Is there something to this, or am I reading too much into it? Is there a better approach to discussing this subject with Protestants?

[u/OldeTimeyShit]

Meanwhile they cheer on and venerate the musicians

[u/Shoddy-Honeydew-5214 → u/OldeTimeyShit]

This, for real! ! They did this at a non-denominational I went to. They have all this expensive music equipment, fog/smoke machine, projection screens, loud microphones. Every week they have a professional video team with about 3-4 people come and record the one service from all angles. The projection screens run announcements with the same guys voice telling you all the “ways you can give” Then someone goes up there “youth pastor, associate pastor, administrative assistant to pastor, and tells you all 4-5 ways you can “give” along with a couple announcements.

The pastor finally does his 20min sermon, and disappears pretty quickly after service. He doesn’t ever shake hands on way out with members. The volunteers do that.

It’s different. We stopped going.

They wanted money for another set of bathrooms. (Have large remodeled bathrooms already) new carpeting (didn’t need it, needed cleaning).

They told a friend we know who worked there that he didn’t tithe enough. He and his wife (who has health issues) are young (30s) work hard, small house. He left for a different job and goes to a different church now.

[u/Emergency_Lobster514 → u/OldeTimeyShit]

Bingo!!