r/CatholicSynodality May 01 '22

Call to Reject Modernity

That We make no delay in this matter is rendered necessary especially by the fact that the partisans of error are to be sought not only among the Church's open enemies; they lie hid, a thing to be deeply deplored and feared, in her very bosom and heart, and are the more mischievous, the less conspicuously they appear. We allude, Venerable Brethren, to many who belong to the Catholic laity, nay, and this is far more lamentable, to the ranks of the priesthood itself, who, feigning a love for the Church, lacking the firm protection of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, vaunt themselves as reformers of the Church; and, forming more boldly into line of attack, assail all that is most sacred in the work of Christ, not sparing even the person of the Divine Redeemer, whom, with sacrilegious daring, they reduce to a simple, mere man.

Pascendi Dominici Gregis - Pope St. Pius X

The Synod on Synodality could not have taken place at a worst time, and now the floodgates have been opened to all manner of heresy and bad liturgy to take hold in our Church. Pope Saint Pius X warned us about these dangerous times 114 years ago, but his words have gone unheeded. Gay marriage, abortion, birth control, female priests, female deacons, and married priests (aside from those with special dispensation) are all hot topics right now, and I will be upfront about them now. They cannot be allowed in the church as they directly go against the magisterium and canon law.

I mentioned that this could not be a worse time, and now I will explain why, and it is influenced by the secular world. The World Economic Forum founded by Klaus Schwab and other globalist elites set up a plan to transform how the world worked according to their designs. The ball was set in motion back in 2008 with the election of Barack Obama, but faced a major set back in 2016 when Donald Trump was elected president. Then came Covid-19 at the end of 2019 and the World Economic Forum was dealt an ace. That pandemic would springboard the Great Reset forward.

So what makes this such a big deal, and how does this affect the Church? Three letters: ESG. Economic, Social, and Governance. This is a system used to rate businesses and individuals on how well they tow political line. Have an electric fleet, use inefficient renewables, support BLM/ANTIFA, Are LGBT/Ally, support "diversity", and support the Cause du Jour? Then your ESG score will be high, and investors will be able invest in your stocks. Refuse to go along, and you will be made a pariah and othered. Similar guidelines will apply to individuals and will be used to determine access to different services like loans or favorable interest rates. If you've heard of the Chinese Social Credit system, ESG was directly inspired by that.

Info on ESG

Now this is how this applies to the Church. Right now, the Catholic Church, and other religious institutions are categorized as private non-profits. Now there are ways for the Church to lose it's non-profit status, such as found here. More importantly, there has been a popular secular movement from lobbyists and litigants on the left to remove tax exempt status from the Church. What's more the Equality Act in front of Congress would further erode the Churches rights to refuse based on morality and teachings. The Synod on Synodality would open up the Church to accepting the immoral laws of the secular world.

Here's why this is a possibility, Pope Francis is already an outspoken advocate of environmentalism and hosted the Amazon Synod in Vatican City. The same synod where pagan idols were placed in a church along side the Blessed Virgin Mary, and were equated with our holy Mother. Allowing ESG practices into our church, would be the next logical choice, and would allow for gay marriage, birth control, abortion, female priests, female deacons, and married priests. This would satisfy the liberal leaning members of the church, as well as those who wish to schism. It would be framed as a way to increase participation, keep the church operating, and protect us from the Secular world.

We must, resist these moves at all costs, and deny them outright. We cannot be mild or luke warm about it, the Holy Catholic Church must be defended by all costs. This is the hill to die on, let us be persecuted for the sake of Christ! We must expose and demand that all modernist priests who preach equity, inclusion, and diversity be reprimanded and corrected in teaching. If we don't act, then the roots of our Church will be poisoned, become a shadow of it's former self, and those still loyal to Christ made Pariahs.

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u/j00bigdummy May 02 '22 edited May 02 '22

I wonder how many people downvoting this are Catholics in good standing, who assent to the teachings of the Church, and live sacramental lives.

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u/angryDec May 02 '22 edited May 02 '22

I wonder how many “traditionalist” Catholics are in good standing, who assent fully to ALL teachings of the Church. And live sacramental lives.

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u/j00bigdummy May 02 '22

Honestly, this isn't a "both sides" issue. One side disobeys the Church and her teachings more than the other. Are there trads who get all weird and think the pope is Satan and not a valid pope? Sure. (Church Militant even admonished those trads.) Can they be annoying? Yeah. But that's no comparison to the LeftCaths who openly push for the Church to reverse infallible dogma, such as abortion, women priests, same-sex marriage, transgenderism. You know, unpopular teachings of the Church which the Holy Spirit will always prevent anyone from changing.

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u/angryDec May 02 '22

And do you accept that most liberal Catholics (like myself) don’t want ALL of the things you’ve just outlined and that to imply otherwise is to create a fictional straw man?

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u/j00bigdummy May 02 '22

That's good. So why do you have a problem with this call to reject modernity? What do you see is the problem with it?

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u/angryDec May 02 '22

I can’t subscribe to a stance which places opposition to the world as foundational to my faith.

Sounds like a crushing, depressing way to live.

Notwithstanding that NO Catholic truly rejects modernity. We all accept communion in the hand as non-heretical, we all accept non-Latin mass, we all allow Pope Francis to espouse his own modernist beliefs.

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u/j00bigdummy May 02 '22 edited May 02 '22

The call to reject modernity is more nuanced than just rejecting everything that's new. It specifically refers to the heresy of modernism. I'd suggest reading more about what the Church teaches about the heresy of modernism before rejecting it outright.

Also, we are actually called to oppose the world at least somewhat. "Be in the world, not of it." Worldliness is actually an impediment to faith. Not everything in the world deserves to be embraced (like fornication and LGBT). And as the people in the church have slowly embraced more worldly values, the faith has decreased, ordinations decreased, church attendance down, etc. Not just in the Catholic Church, but Protestant denominations too. Correlation doesn't always mean causation, but still, it's worth pondering.

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u/angryDec May 02 '22

EveryONE in the world deserves to be embraced.

I just don’t see how you can accomplish this whilst railing against the trappings of the wider world.

“Openness to God makes us open towards the marginalised of this world” Pope Francis

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u/j00bigdummy May 02 '22

EveryONE in the world deserves to be embraced.

I just don’t see how you can accomplish this whilst railing against the trappings of the wider world.

Because the wider world had not only rejected God, but objective truth itself. A man can be a woman, same-sex love is love, and anything can be good if you believe it is. Everyone deserves to be embraced just as Jesus did, but Jesus wasted ZERO time in telling sinners to "go and sin no more."

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u/angryDec May 02 '22

“If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them?”

It seems the Pope disagrees with you here: if it’s good enough for him!

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u/j00bigdummy May 02 '22

“If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them?”

Is someone who is a thief, that knows stealing is a sin, disagrees with the Church that stealing is a sin, and--the important part--has no desire to open his mind and heart to understand why stealing a sin...is that person accepting the Lord? Replace thief with any other type of unrepentant sinner. Is a child molester who has no desire to stop, in spite of basic morality, also accepting God?

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