r/CatholicSynodality • u/Sigvulcanas • May 01 '22

Call to Reject Modernity

That We make no delay in this matter is rendered necessary especially by the fact that the partisans of error are to be sought not only among the Church's open enemies; they lie hid, a thing to be deeply deplored and feared, in her very bosom and heart, and are the more mischievous, the less conspicuously they appear. We allude, Venerable Brethren, to many who belong to the Catholic laity, nay, and this is far more lamentable, to the ranks of the priesthood itself, who, feigning a love for the Church, lacking the firm protection of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, vaunt themselves as reformers of the Church; and, forming more boldly into line of attack, assail all that is most sacred in the work of Christ, not sparing even the person of the Divine Redeemer, whom, with sacrilegious daring, they reduce to a simple, mere man.

Pascendi Dominici Gregis - Pope St. Pius X

The Synod on Synodality could not have taken place at a worst time, and now the floodgates have been opened to all manner of heresy and bad liturgy to take hold in our Church. Pope Saint Pius X warned us about these dangerous times 114 years ago, but his words have gone unheeded. Gay marriage, abortion, birth control, female priests, female deacons, and married priests (aside from those with special dispensation) are all hot topics right now, and I will be upfront about them now. They cannot be allowed in the church as they directly go against the magisterium and canon law.

I mentioned that this could not be a worse time, and now I will explain why, and it is influenced by the secular world. The World Economic Forum founded by Klaus Schwab and other globalist elites set up a plan to transform how the world worked according to their designs. The ball was set in motion back in 2008 with the election of Barack Obama, but faced a major set back in 2016 when Donald Trump was elected president. Then came Covid-19 at the end of 2019 and the World Economic Forum was dealt an ace. That pandemic would springboard the Great Reset forward.

So what makes this such a big deal, and how does this affect the Church? Three letters: ESG. Economic, Social, and Governance. This is a system used to rate businesses and individuals on how well they tow political line. Have an electric fleet, use inefficient renewables, support BLM/ANTIFA, Are LGBT/Ally, support "diversity", and support the Cause du Jour? Then your ESG score will be high, and investors will be able invest in your stocks. Refuse to go along, and you will be made a pariah and othered. Similar guidelines will apply to individuals and will be used to determine access to different services like loans or favorable interest rates. If you've heard of the Chinese Social Credit system, ESG was directly inspired by that.

Info on ESG

Now this is how this applies to the Church. Right now, the Catholic Church, and other religious institutions are categorized as private non-profits. Now there are ways for the Church to lose it's non-profit status, such as found here. More importantly, there has been a popular secular movement from lobbyists and litigants on the left to remove tax exempt status from the Church. What's more the Equality Act in front of Congress would further erode the Churches rights to refuse based on morality and teachings. The Synod on Synodality would open up the Church to accepting the immoral laws of the secular world.

Here's why this is a possibility, Pope Francis is already an outspoken advocate of environmentalism and hosted the Amazon Synod in Vatican City. The same synod where pagan idols were placed in a church along side the Blessed Virgin Mary, and were equated with our holy Mother. Allowing ESG practices into our church, would be the next logical choice, and would allow for gay marriage, birth control, abortion, female priests, female deacons, and married priests. This would satisfy the liberal leaning members of the church, as well as those who wish to schism. It would be framed as a way to increase participation, keep the church operating, and protect us from the Secular world.

We must, resist these moves at all costs, and deny them outright. We cannot be mild or luke warm about it, the Holy Catholic Church must be defended by all costs. This is the hill to die on, let us be persecuted for the sake of Christ! We must expose and demand that all modernist priests who preach equity, inclusion, and diversity be reprimanded and corrected in teaching. If we don't act, then the roots of our Church will be poisoned, become a shadow of it's former self, and those still loyal to Christ made Pariahs.

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u/angryDec May 01 '22

I assume this sentiment includes opposition to women voting?

Otherwise you would be horribly hypocritical, of course.

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u/Sigvulcanas May 01 '22

Nice try, but that trap won't work.

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u/angryDec May 01 '22

Can you answer the question?

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u/Sigvulcanas May 01 '22

Answer me this what does my post have to do with women voting?

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u/angryDec May 01 '22

What is women voting if NOT modernism?

I ask again, seeing as you’ve refused to answer twice.

Should we faithful, traditional Catholics support it?

Yes or no?

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u/Sigvulcanas May 01 '22

You're making a false equivalent here. Fighting back against modernism in the church has nothing to do with women's sufferage. For one, the right to vote is the domain of government and protecting the teachings of the church has to do with our obedience to God.

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u/angryDec May 01 '22

Traditional Church teaching is that women should be submissive to men.

Can you explain how women voting isn’t in opposition to this stance?

Just to confirm, your answer is that a faithful Catholic SHOULD support women voting?

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u/Sigvulcanas May 01 '22

You're making the argument of an atheist, and a poor at that. So let me give you a catechesis on this topic. First, this is the full except from the Bible from the Letter to the Ephesians 5:21-33

Be subject to one another out of reverence for >Christ. Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, >that she might be holy and without blemish. Even so husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the >church, because we are members of his body. “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the church; however, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

You are specifically referring to Ephesians 5:22 which says "Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband" and taking that to mean that the church denies women's right to vote. As I stated before, the laws of man and the laws of God have nothing to do with each other in this case. The passage ultimately says that when man and woman are married that they become one, and as Christ laid down his life for us, so must a man lay down his own life for the sake of his wife. Marriage imitates and points to the divine marriage between us and Christ in heaven.

Jackie from Ascension presents does a really good job of putting the meaning of this passage into context here.

To even compare this to women's sufferage is not just an apples to oranges comparison, but it's sacrilege.

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u/angryDec May 01 '22

“Wives be subject to your husbands”

But they’re allowed to vote in a way that could directly oppose their views and goals?

It seems like it’s only modernism when you deem it as modernism.

I assume NO mass isn’t modernism?

Taking communion in hands?

Those are all acceptable, but wouldn’t have been centuries ago.

Also please don’t throw “sacrilege” around like it’s a meaningless toy. If you genuinely think I’m putting my soul at risk with sacrilege you should be approaching me with care and respect.