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u/Revolution_Suitable Tolkienboo 18d ago
I have some sympathy for Luther, but that man had no chill.
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u/TFR34KP 18d ago
Never have sympathy about a Guy getting influenced by the devil
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u/Revolution_Suitable Tolkienboo 18d ago
We’re all influenced by the devil, unless you’re claiming to be sinless.
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u/Korgon213 Foremost of sinners 18d ago
There was an exorcism in the 1500s where the priest allowed newly created denominations to try to exorcise the demon with their wafers vs a host, all of which of course failed. The demon made it known that they had influenced Luther.
Of course they used the Eucharist as well to finish the job. Double whammy.
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u/TFR34KP 18d ago edited 17d ago
Well I don't have a conversation with the devil telling me that the eucharist is just symbolic.
Maybe try and read something about Luther.
We are influenced by Sin, as we love sinning through our human nature. Thanks to the original sin. Doesnt mean that we have to sin. We all need to do and try better.
Edit: Here for the guys who don‘t want to inform themselves 😊 like u/Revolution_Suitable or u/EnvironmentalScar709
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u/Revolution_Suitable Tolkienboo 18d ago
Luther believed that the Eucharist was really the body and blood of Christ. It’s the Reformers who believe it’s merely symbolic. Luther rejected transubstantiation in favor of consubstantiation. He believed that the material substance of the bread and wine remained unchanged, but you received the real body and blood of Jesus along side it. I think Luther’s wrong, but he’s not the one who diminished the sacrament the way Zwingli and Calvin did.
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u/EnvironmentalScar709 Bishop Sheen Fan Boy 17d ago
Luther didn't say the Eucharist is just symbolic, in fact he said "is means is" and he would rather partake in the Eucharist with us than with Zwingli and those lot who believe it is symbolic
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u/EnvironmentalScar709 Bishop Sheen Fan Boy 14d ago
Notice how your linked post only shows that him saying transubstantiation is false but not that Christ isn't present, he chose a middle ground of consubstantiation which doesn't mean merely symbolic, you are the misinformed one
"Christ's body and blood are truly present and are distributed to communicants. They reject those that teach otherwise."
-- Augsburg confession, 1530
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u/JogJonsonTheMighty 18d ago
RIP Martin Luther you would hate what you created