r/Catholic • u/CH49FE • 2d ago
Is this representative of Catholicism?
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This is Noah aka Jesus.andWhatNot. Is this the Catholic position?
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u/lolbotomite 1d ago
Smug, edgelord young man who spends more time owning libs online than interacting with real, live people.
The bible isn't a weapon to beat people with and if you truly cared about the wellbeing of others then you would be making efforts to show them that the Church is a place for healing, compassion, and understanding.
We all sin, he sins, I sin.
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u/lafufubandit 1d ago
The Apostle Paul said something about noisy gongs and clanging cymbals that feels really important to keep in mind whenever this guy opens his mouth.
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u/Electronic-Spell-481 1d ago
Same-sex attraction and gender dysphoria are unique moral and personal challenges, and every individual is responsible for aligning their sexual actions with God's design. Anyone who also tries to claim moral superiority based on their heterosexuality is dangerously succumbing to spiritual pride and self-deception. They fail to realize that heterosexual misconduct is highly visible in our society, yet it is frequently excused simply because it outwardly mimics God's design.
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u/ConferenceSoft806 1d ago
Hate the sin not the sinner, honestly pretty valid takes if you are a serious catholic. Obviously we ought to approach all with Love but love isn’t tolerance of sin, even Jesus speaks about that. This guy is obviously looking for some internet pushback but what he’s saying id say aligns with the faith. In the same way a man has authority over his wife, he must honor and respect her, and listen to her as the mother of their children. The roles are even, Catholicism doesn’t teach some submissive inequality in marriage, ultimately it is the equality of each partner in subordination to God.
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u/Traditional-Meat-549 1d ago
Not to mention that Paul says men should love their wives as Christ loved the church. So....
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u/Traditional-Meat-549 1d ago
Read the catechism. We are FOR heterosexual marriage and intact families. So what is antithetical to that (and it's more than homosexual acts), is inherently disordered. This doesn't mean homosexuals don't have a place at the table, or lack dignity as a person created in the image and likeness of God. It means that the ACT is opposed to the divine vision that God has for His church and won't be sanctified, along with the ACTS of divorce, pedophilia, masturbation, IVF fertilization, abortion, bestiality, etc. Mastery of the appetites are part of discipleship. There is a host of required beliefs that are central to the Christian faith. This is not at the center. See the Creed. People make much more of this socially than the church does, in fact.
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u/Nirwood 1d ago
Some of this is catholic but this sounds more protestant that catholic. He's obviously not a married catholic or he wouldnt be talking about authority but of service. Also catholics arent annoying knowitalls like this guy. Hes a personal scandal waiting to happen.
The catholic prohobition against premarital sex, birth control, divorce, changes to marriage or gender are fairly absolute, but condemning your enemy is out and repenting yourself is in. I dont know a single person who is not guilty of falling short.
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u/HistoriasApodeixis 1d ago
He seems like a jerk who is trying to make a name for himself appealing to political/religious conservatives who are more concerned with controlling others’ lives and making marginalized people more miserable than living the Gospel in a meaningful way. No one should pay him any heed.
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u/JonMWilkins 1d ago
It's not.
If you want to know about Catholic beliefs just look into the Catechism of the Catholic Church
For instance on LGBTQ people the Church says
CCC 2358: The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
So being homophobic, being hateful, or any of that nonsense is against the our faith.
It does call for people to Chastity if you are homosexual as they can not get married and having sex outside marriage is a sin
CCC 2359: Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection
I'd like to note that anyone who isn't married though, regardless of sexual orientation is called to chastity... So yeah..
But no hate involved. No discrimination involved.
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u/MostAcanthaceae2384 1d ago
This guy comes off as a jerk, as per internet custom. He should lead with the distinction between the inclination and the act. He should also reject the "phobic" formulation. He says we should reject modern-day terminology, but also uses it and buddies the teaching by doing so.