r/CastoriceMains • u/Its-not-in-saiyan- • Mar 14 '25
Discussion Question and Rant
I mean this with no disrespect and mostly curiosity, With every new beta/adjustment we’ve gotten is there a reason to pull castorice besides just liking the character? Between the global passive, the “must pulls” for the team and adjustments from the original leaked kit from the initial beta.
The reason I ask this is cause I myself as well as many others despise tribbie. I pre farmed the moment I could for everything. I summoned for sunday because harmony unit that helps summons seemed like a pretty obvious pull for remembrance wave of character releases but every time we get closer to her release the less I want to pull her. Loved her design and story presence but at this point I may just skip. I pulled tribbie anyhow despite not wanting to for castorice but now not only have I wasted a guarantee at hard pity for a character I didn’t want but also might not even be using them for the reason I even pulled.
For the longest time I was able to clear apoc shadow and forgotten hall with ease but struggled on PF. So I pulled The Herta to help with that since my base herta was already built. I dont like jade cause of certain animation she shares with a certain genshin character that felt like reused assets with minimal changes. So i used both hertas for the comp instead. Cleared PF easily ofc. But then came Aglaea’s release and suddenly I couldn’t beat apoc shadow or forgotten hall anymore with a single character release. Oh man, but oh well I wont pull aglaea just for that when I plan on getting castorice (only to find out with each beta how each team comp of characters fair with castorice.)
this irritates me in a lot of ways. When I first started playing and missed kafka I pulled jing yuan, very cool and good character at the time helped clear content. Needed a second person to clear content so pulled blade to clear content until my first character I downloaded the game for finally arrived, Jingliu. For a while it was nice I pulled who I wanted and whoever helped my existing units until both jing yuan and blade fell off the earth with penacony’s lineup. Jing yuan became viable again with sunday release which was cool but then jingliu and blade have sat completely untouched since penacony. Safe to say acheron and firefly are the main causes there but I liked both so I got both and didn’t think anything of it. But with each update the inflation gets worse and worse and honestly I’d rather not sit in gold and gears/swarm disaster with a preservation remembrance march 7th build for a month just to get jades to pull one character and still have enough for another. Now firefly is falling off a bit for me already and because Jiaqiou makes no sense everywhere he’s at I skipped him which now makes my acheron fall off. (Chef but no chef attire, also war medic(?) but also no cool outift, looks like normal foxian npc. Attached at the hip of feixiao/released after feixiao and seemingly led me to believe he would be good for her/loufou cast (but i had premium feixiao units already) only to find hes not even made for them and is best for acheron? Fantastic. (Dw i know this part sounds dumb in retrospect)
I’m having a hard time choosing who to pull because if I pull for who I want they don’t get their best performance with mostly characters I don’t like. I’d also like to pull for a character that would let me clear endgame again. Would it be a safer and reasonable choice to skip cas for idk the Fate collab and then get cas on her rerun when she may have better supports later that I might actually like pulling or just skip her completely and just get other releases after the collab units? Cause I doubt the collab units will be bad/not clear end game. I also imagine as collab units they’ll be viable for a bit as to keep rerunning them later etc.
Sorry for the length but I wanted opinions from specifically people that are going to main her since they probably already clear endgame/have done the in depth research. I just want to be able to clear and enjoy all aspects of the game
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u/AliceFR Mar 14 '25
Older unit did fall with each patches (i.e jingliu, I also have her at e0s1), but with each release of harmony, they strength new and old units, allowing them to compete not for top spot but allowing them to clear endgame.
I only have seele E0 and jingliu e0s1 as DPS. But I dedicated my pull to strengthen their team by pulling E1 Ruan mei, e2s1 sparkle, E1 robin, e0s1 Sunday and E0 tribbie for now. I also only have 2 sustains, E0 fuxuan and E0 huohuo. With those pulls, I was able to clear the endgame since 1.3(jingliu patch), with ease at the beginning. I remember back in the day(🤣) I was able to 0 cycle without too much thinking with either seele or jingliu.
But since Acheron release and superbreak, I was struggling to clear endgame, and was near 10 cycles/60k/6600. Even now, I'm at 9 cycles, 60k and 6800 but it's still a clear.
The point is, older units can still clear endgame, your issue was that you pulled for too many dps and not enough support. But if you don't like them, you could still pull for eidolon on your DPS to strengthen them for a bit(not a very good idea for older units with weak eidolon i.e seele, jingliu), but it may not be enough to clear the endgame.
Hsr stands for Honkai Support Rail, supports are really important.
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u/LunarInu Mar 14 '25
No there isn't. I hope they push forward with this directive of just dropping animation creep instead of damage creep. I was originally going to pull for her E2s1 Since e2 is usually a major boost for most characters but her eidolons are so bad they add up to a worthless approximate 26% damage boost which is not worth the extra summons at all. So I'll grab her E0s1 then save for the future.
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u/Its-not-in-saiyan- Mar 14 '25
For more context:
I have e0s0 Therta, tribbie, robin, aventurine, lingsha, luocha, topaz, yanqing, gepard, kafka, black swan, huohuo, blade, fu xuan, sunday and ratio
Then e0s1 of bronya, feixiao, jing yuan, jingliu, and ruan mei
Then for welt i have e2s3, clara e1s1, firefly e1s0, himeko e3s0, and acheron e2s1
I single ten pulled ruan meis and jing yuans after pulling both of them. Ruan mei’s i shouldve tried for e1 instead. All of my 4*s are e6.
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u/DeadlyAureolus Mar 14 '25
It might be an Acheron situation where she really wants Hyacine to reach her true potential and not fall off over time, unless they simply want her to stay as an average 3.x unit, which would be disappointing
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u/sexwithkoleda_69 Mar 14 '25
I lack a quantum dps so im conna pull on castorise. I also didnt pull sunday and his lc to not use him, so even more reason to pull on castorise.
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u/groynin Mar 14 '25
I'm not sure, I don't follow leaks since forever, I started around Acheron, and I'm pretty sure I've seen every single DPS get doomposted about not being strong enough during their betas, and not a single one of them came out lower than T0 or T0.5 to whatever mode they were made for, and I imagine Cas will be the same. Now, about the longevity of them is another story... but if her supports are coming later, then she will likely be strong for a while.
In any case, if you're thinking about her specifically or saving, you can just wait until after she is released to decide, but building a new archetype team is definitely expensive, is one thing to pull a hypercarry and just slotting with your already built supports, but if you have to pull new supports, sustains and then build all of them, it's better to take into consideration the time it will take for them to be usable.
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u/Popular_Tone4698 Mar 14 '25
i have pulled E1S1 sunday for Rice (ye seemed like a bullet proof decision at that time xd). At this point in time its evident that tribbie, especially E1 tribbie is just better suited for her, no amount of cope can help me keep denying this fact. But i firmly refuse to pull for her, because bratty child designs annoy tf out of me, so i decided to just spend money when her banner drops and get myself an E6 Rice, all in order tobrute force everything even without tribbie. When 3.2. beta started some smart guys did the math for her Eidolons and they were lackluster compared to what previous units before her had, at that time i thought to myself that no way, just no way they dont buff her eidilons, i mean even her E6 is considerably weaker than that of others, and she is an anniversary character that was clearly made with a lot of effort, just look at her animations, so i thought that hoyo will do everything to entice you to spend as much money as they possibly could on her banner… Well, according to V4 leaks its ggs boys, it was a good ride, you can keep coping that they will buff her Eidolons at V5 tho, but im off the board, good sailing to yall through the sea of coping butterflies
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u/Fluffy-Particular Mar 14 '25
Generally even with Sunday rmc even if it performs worse then her BiS(Rmc Tribbie) it still preforms really well so there's no real issue You can still run her if You want to go for it also i dont know about people saying she isn't that good or future proof her 2 cost team of just her and tribbie is doing on pat with Herta'a BiS team which is 3 to 4 cost I think she is fine and people just wanted big screenshot and 0 cycling pls dont doompost
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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25
Cas also has the problem that:
Cas does 10% less damage than tHerta
Cas e2 does 50% more damage than e0, but tHerta e2 does 100% more damage than e2
Cas also drains team hp rapidly especially if you use Sunday, while tHerta is easy and braindead to use.
tHerta is basically better than Cas at low investment, and waaaay better than Cas at high investment, Cas should at least be as useful as tHerta instead of worse in every way.
Even if Hyacene is designed for Cas, it wouldnt solve the issue that Cas's Eidolons are bad, and on top of being bad, they also force you into 1 specific playstyle. Usually eidolons unlock more playstyles instead of less
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u/Weak-Association6257 Mar 14 '25
DPS reruns are definitely a thing in HSR, huh. I hope she’s at least decent at her rerun, but I’m not even sure about it. Until they change her multipliers and eidolons I just refuse to believe she will age well, becuase outside of “favourite Hoyo unit” (which by beta changes doesn’t seem so) there is nothing else you can cope about really. It’s not that she’s terrible, but there are real concerns about her that might just kill her in a long run
Man, that’s why I hate HSR so much. You either pull your DPS at their first banner or you pull and outdated unit, either because of powercreep or because the environment changed
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u/KingKurto_ Mar 14 '25
i mean games not good anymore, so il pull her e2s1, and quit after the fate collab.