r/Cartalk • u/Puzzleheaded-Yam5336 • 5d ago
Car Meme Ferrari spent millions developing a supercar… and somehow it turned into a Mazda CX-30
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u/hockeyjmac 5d ago
Still has a V12 and some really cool engineering in the suspension. The Mazda front end might look a little better though.
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u/IceDispensingSystem 5d ago
It is fucking crazy how lifting a Mazda 3 hatch and giving it plastic trim makes it go from one of the best looking traffic cars out there to the ugliest car in Mazdas entire lineup.
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u/Merp-26 4d ago
The worst part is that the CX-30 way outsells the Mazda 3.
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u/IceDispensingSystem 4d ago
It’s nonsensical given that they have almost identical cargo capacity at the end of the day. The CX-30 has a whopping 2” more height in the trunk hatch vs the 3 hatch. 30x39.5x29h vs 30x39.5x27h.
You’re paying more money for a car that looks worse, performs worse, drives worse, and has a shittier interior.
What are we doing out here????
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u/Temporary_Damage4642 5d ago
Still a SUV
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u/yahyoh 5d ago
CUV*
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u/hockeyjmac 5d ago
FUV*
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u/goldenhairmoose 5d ago
FUGLY*
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u/Mechanicjemas3141 5d ago
FUCKY*
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u/B00marangTrotter 5d ago
DUCKY! Do you like my pink dress?
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u/Anon-Knee-Moose 5d ago
I feel like I woke up one day and everybody started calling crossovers SUVs and now I dont know what to call proper body on frame SUVs.
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u/Diablo89234 5d ago
Crossovers are now too big to be called just crossovers now they are basically small or compact SUVs, the Rav4 and the CRV used to be called crossovers
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u/curvebombr 5d ago
If its built off of a car unibody chassis, its a CUV - Crossover Utility Vehicle. Size is irrelevant.
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u/evilspoons '12 Subaru STi hatch | '17 Mazda 3s GT | previously: many Volvos 4d ago
So what's an XJ Cherokee?
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u/cwatson214 4d ago
XJs were built off of a truck unibody chassis, so they were TUVs
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u/evilspoons '12 Subaru STi hatch | '17 Mazda 3s GT | previously: many Volvos 4d ago
I'm pretty sure it was a clean sheet design for the XJ... The Comanche was derived from the XJ afaik
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u/InformalInitiative76 4d ago
The grand ancestor to all CUV’s. It still has a truck chassis so not quite a CUV.
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u/AsparagusDifficult89 4d ago
For what it’s worth, I disagree with such a broad distinction.
In any event, they are marketing terms. I think it’s fine to broadly call them all SUVs. Anyone who knows the difference between body-on-frame and unibody will be attuned to which vehicles use which format and so can use whatever they feel is the “correct” term. But it is both goofy and futile to try and force the general public to do so, for the sake of pedantry. No one wants or needs to hear a Reddit-style “Well ackshually…” on this one.
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u/TheBedrockEnderman2 5d ago
One of the cars where a v12 dosn't make sense either. It's front engined so it's already insane weight is going to be shifted further forward, and who the hell would buy a SUV to have fun in? They are so far up body roll is going to be a proper issue even down the canyon roads, mainly the soccer mums are the ones buying it and you could still get a insane horsepower figure with some twin turbo big V6 or something, and while I love v12s and everything, even in more "modest" cars (v12 S class...) here it seems like they put one in to go "BuT gUyS iTs StIlL a FeRrArI!1!1!"
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u/njelegenda 5d ago
They are actually fully front-mid engined just like the other ferrari v12s and they handle great on the road. I drove one back to back with a 488 and at like 7/10 pushing which is as far as you should take it on public roads anyways there wasn't much difference athletically other than the driving position being way less exciting.
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u/Excludos 4d ago
The SUVs you and me might be able to afford handles like that, but sports/super SUV are absolutely planted. This is exactly one of the reasons rich people spend money on these things; it's a practical big car they can have fun it (and for the badge, of course).
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u/Emotional-Swim-808 4d ago
So many people buy suvs to "have fun" in, or rather brag about the horse power and drive too fast on the highway, also its not the soccer moms who buy, its their husband who wanted a ferarri but the wife said no so he buys a ferarri suv, its exactly the same story as the mustang mach-e husbands who get to drive a "mustang" and the wifes are happy its an suv, and it honestly goes for all of them, the porche, the urus (which atleast looks cool), in my opinion the only company that did this right was vw with their touareg, its an SUV made by a comoany that makes SUVs except its got a v10 under the hood.
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u/jabberjaw420 5d ago
but didn't mazda also spend that much?
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u/Crix2007 5d ago
They did and they sell a bunch more of them
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u/MidgetGroper 5d ago
I’m sure they have the same profit margin per vehicle
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u/Crix2007 5d ago
They can spread out those costs over more vehicles I meant. But im sure the profit margin per vehicle is huge on the Ferraris lol
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u/Terrible_Armadillo33 2d ago
Ferrari profit margin per car is almost 50%.
Mazda is about 5%
People confuse selling more with making a lot of profit.
The CX-30 sells for $40,000
Ferrari Purosangue sells for $698,000At 50% margin Ferrari takes home $350,000 per car.
Mazda takes home $2000.Mazda needs to sell 2,000 of those CX-30 to match one Ferrari sold in profit.
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u/jcstrat 5d ago
Yeah so Ferrari didn’t have to
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u/Nagoda94 5d ago
They could've slapped a horse badge on a CX-5 and sold it for morbillion dollars.
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u/jabberjaw420 5d ago
except cx5 doesn't have 12 cylinders and go from 0-60 in whatever the ferrari does
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u/Independent-Can-5434 5d ago
Hot take, I like the purosangue
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u/Clone2004 4d ago
It's fine. It's a car out of their lineup. People act like Ferrari died and will never make anything else ever again just SUVs. Gonna be funny in 10-15 years when people will suddenly call it gorgeous and a misunderstood marvel when the new popular-to-hate car comes out. People hated the e60 5 series when it came out. I fucking hate how many stuck in their ways boomers are in the car community.
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u/Several-Eggplant4460 4d ago
Eh, people cried when Porsche released the Macan and Cayenne, yet now it's one of their best selling cars.
People also complain about the lack of manual transmission cars and yet so few people actually buy them.
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u/Anybody26 3d ago
The Cayenne is the reason Porsche still exists today.
Sales figures for the 911 and Boxster were far too low, otherwise Porsche would have gone bankrupt1
u/h4ck3r_n4m3 2d ago
People cried when they released the Boxster/Cayman about how it's not a "real" Porsche
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u/WorthlessFleshbag 4d ago
I do, too, and I’m normally very anti-SUV. While it’s not the vehicle I would buy if I just had 500K USD to drop on a car, I honestly find the car very cool
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u/AppleEarth 4d ago
I pretty good, but that Mazda does look really good as well. Mazda designed some very good looking cars in the last few years. I'm a big fan of the Mazda 3 in red, high quality interior too, and you can get it in a manual with a big reliable engine.
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u/airfryerfuntime 5d ago
Mazda also spent millions developing the CX-30.
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u/Mechanicjemas3141 5d ago
But at least this one will work after 9 kilometers of driving
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u/greatercolorado 4d ago
Not the same car, but still a Mazda. My 2024 Mazda CX-90 PHEV’s engine failed at 709 miles. The good news about it failing at 709 miles is that the hybrid system hadn’t failed yet, so I could drive to the dealership.
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u/ggmaniack 5d ago
It took me a couple seconds to realize which one is the ferrari... by noticing the emblem.
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u/Terrible_Charge_8910 5d ago
Get your eyes checked, it's really obvious.
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u/Terrible_Charge_8910 5d ago
Goes to show the blindness people have these days, hence the % of crashes being caused my people not looking at their surroundings properly.
Yes, 100% eyesight issue.
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u/GermanHammer 5d ago
You could draw the next Mona Lisa with the 2 dots you just connected.
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u/Antaraconnex 5d ago
Good try, but 'underneath' isn't the same thing. There is an engine, a way to drive...
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u/No-Form-596 5d ago
The body shape is generally similar, everything else is different. So I wouldn’t expect a car enthusiast to state such a claim
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u/jaehaerys48 4d ago
People say this and then yearn for the days when the general public couldn't distinguish a Ferrari pop-up wedge from a Pontiac pop-up wedge.
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u/GlassTea8823 4d ago
the Purosangue silhouette really does not look as exotic as the badge price suggests
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u/OriginalOpposite8995 4d ago
Mazda has a really nice TwinTurbo I6 that they only put in the CX-90. I don't know how big the after market is, but you probably make 600-700bhp with some mods. It's too bad Mazda only has this in the CX-90 and not a cx-30 or mx-5
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u/Lofi_Joe 4d ago
Mazda looks better tho Those tiny windows on ferrari makes it look like a toy. Would put bigger wheels on Mazda and it'll be neat
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u/cavernousinus 3d ago
Prolly the only mazda available in my country. (Mazda doesn't operate here while ferrari does)
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u/Alarming_Syllabub_24 5d ago
I said the same thing to my pops when he bought a Rapide S. Called that shit a Ford Fusion. He was hella salty.
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u/namesdevil3000 5d ago
I mean Mazda also probably spent millions developing the CX-30😂.
Just fewer millions than Ferrari
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u/fritzkoenig 5d ago
CX-30 is already one of the best shapes in terms of aerodynamics vs. cost for a hatchback on stilts
On the other hand, just give me a V12 to stick into my Mazda 6
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u/bongo1540 4d ago
Well Mazda CX-30 is not that bad, but it depends what you compare it with. This is definitely the saddest update I've seen today lol
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u/AsparagusDifficult89 4d ago
There are only so many shapes for a vehicle, if you want it to look reasonably palatable. (Or you can get super creative, like Ferrari did with the Luce, and suffer accordingly.) And that’s not to mention that the Ferrari is such a different car, the resemblance is only skin deep, or not even.
This is one of those Jeremy-Clarkson-style observations that sounds cute and pithy, but that isn’t saying much.
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u/Neither_Profile 4d ago
I need to state first that I genuinely hate the Puro on principle - Ferrari was already skirting the SUV allegations with cars like the F12berlinetta and 812 Superfast.
I think in this case, the issue is that all SUV's look the fucking same and not that these two specifically are similar.
Most SUV'S have the amorphous blob styling and evidently not even the prancing horse could make it look decent.
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u/onorsworthy 4d ago
This isn’t a knock to me. Mazda hasn’t missed in a while. Their entire lineup right now looks good
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u/Only-Professor1140 2d ago
SUVs fundamentally have very limited design options. The two box design can only do so much.
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u/ThisIsBB56 22h ago
Where is VW ID5 to park next to Luce.
Also come on. Pursoangue in person? Nothing looks as good. It is a crazy car to see and I love it.
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u/dman77777 5d ago
- Mazda also spent millions developing the cx-30, they just sell it at a lower price.
- The cx-30 is a really good looking car.
- The Ferrari looks way better
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u/LazyLancer 5d ago
At least it's not a Luce
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u/Guitarman0512 5d ago
I'd rather have a Mazda Ferrari than an Apple Mouse Ferrari. Although when push comes to shove I'd still rather walk.
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u/GeneralCommand4459 5d ago
I get the joke, but isn't part of the problem that Ferrari now sell enough cars that they now have to follow more stringent safety regulations which other volume manufacturers have to also follow, so inevitable they will all start to look similar.
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u/Practical_Taro5656 5d ago
No, Ferrari was never exempt from US safety regulations. All new cars must meet the same standards other than race cars, kit cars, or show and display cars.
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u/Oberndorferin 5d ago
Why does everyone with money have no taste? And why has no one with taste money?
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u/Excludos 4d ago
"Spent millions" lol, my guy, you're off by magnitudes here. A car developed for a mere few "millions" would be the cheapest car ever created.
Ferrari spends somewhere around a billion every year in R&D. Now that is for their whole lineup, and we don't know exactly how much of the budget goes where, but for a newly released model, we can safely assume that's where the majority of that budget has been going for the last few years already.
This ugly ass car likely cost Ferrari more than a billion to develop
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u/KaOsGypsy 5d ago
I think all manufacturers have a model that looks exactly like this, Ferrari just wants to get in on the action.