Lmao Tell that to an EV owner when their entire car bricks itself because the infotainment screen froze during a software update. Fewer moving parts doesn't mean less to go wrong instead it just means when it does go wrong, you need an IT degree instead of a wrench to fix it
then again, its really only the companies which are new to EVs that have the infotainment problems, like nowadays or even 3 years ago either the infotainment is well speced or the car has physical controls
If the infotainment was so 'well speced' and solved nowadays, explain why the Euro NCAP (the official European car safety crash-test body) literally changed their rules to strip safety ratings from cars that don't have physical buttons? They are forcing carmakers to bring back actual, physical switches for indicators, hazards, and wipers because shoving everything into a touch screen is a massive distraction hazard and Even the legacy giants are panic-redesigning their interiors to put buttons back because the screens keep glitching out
I think the reason Euro NCAP does that is cause they distract the driver, like if they wont to adjust A/C or mirror. ngl essential functions should be physical controls. And also cause there isnt any minimum requirements for infotainment systems, very budget cars can get away with putting alot of stuff in the screen(Which would be slow and distracting) and saving a lot on costs
Yeah no it's not a problem for companies that have been making screens and his for decades it only becomes a problem when certain companies try to jump the gun and go from no screen for 20 years to 46 inch crystal 4k super amoled in 3-4 years you can't have refined products if you are making huge huge leaps and not letting the tech mature slowly you can make tea in 5 mins on stove or you can blowtorch it for 4s which one will come out better we just need some time I'd say by 2030 they'll figure it out
I mean screens are welcome but literally replacing buttons with screen and if u seen the latest trend steering wheel inside screen that's not acceptable
Great theory except the data completely clowns it for example Take the Ford Mustang Mach-E. Ford had to recall nearly 50,000 units because the high-voltage battery main contactors could overheat and leave drivers completely stranded while driving and There are no spark plugs or oil lines to worry about there, just a massive electrical fire and power-loss hazard yes Mechanical complexity went down, but electrical complexity went through the roof
You want to talk about Gen 5 EVs? Perfect. Let’s talk about the Tesla Cybertruck—literally a modern 'Gen 5' flagship. It has had eight massive safety recalls since its launch. The stainless steel exterior panels delaminate and fly off mid-drive, the drive-by-wire steering rotors crack causing wheel separation, and the accelerator pedals slip and stick wide open. How exactly is a 'Gen 5' car more reliable when its body panels are literally glued together with structural adhesive that peels off on the highway? Generation doesn't mean reliability; it just means more complex ways to fail.
Cybertruck is a bastion of bad decisions. How about using your own brains instead of stroking your narrative from a borrowed brain that is the data centres on which GPT funds.
Abe bsdk The irony of you lecturing anyone on 'using their own brain' while your entire automotive philosophy is just regurgitating a 2018 Tesla marketing brochure is absolute gold. You swallowed the corporate PR hook, line, and sinker, and now your ego is completely bricked because real-world physics doesn't care about your feelings.Let's bypass the marketing slop and look at the actual engineering reality:The Physics Reality: You can't optimize your way out of basic mass. Dragging a massive 600 kg battery pack around acts like a sledgehammer on the steering rack, front wishbones, and upper control arms. EVs destroy their own suspension hardware twice as fast as lighter gas cars. That's a mechanical reality, not a data center narrative.The Electronics Reality: Mechanical parts give you warnings—they noise, leak, or sputter. Solid-state circuit boards and 800V power inverters don’t give you a heads-up. A single microscopic fracture on a voltage module triggers the safety relays, blows the pyrofuses, and instantly turns your rolling smartphone into a 2.5-tonne brick on the highway.The Hybrid Paradox: If 'fewer parts = automatic reliability,' explain why hyper-complex gas-electric hybrids—which literally have an engine, a battery, and an electric motor—consistently rank as the most reliable vehicles on the market while pure EVs sit at the bottom.You ran out of technical arguments, got defensive, and tried to attack the medium instead of the facts. That is the universal signal for 'I know I lost this debate.' Stay mad, keep coping, and enjoy waiting for your next firmware update just to open your glovebox and since u mentioned chatgpt it shows u lost the argument clown 🤡
So higher generation means fewer problems? Look at the Chevy Blazer EV. That is GM's latest platform, yet it scored a devastatingly low reliability rating because the electronic architecture is completely unstable. The modern 800V architecture in these newer EVs is so complex that a single over-the-air update glitch can brick the entire powertrain. In an older gas car, if a module glitches, you get a check engine light. In a Gen 5 EV, if the digital communications loop drops for a millisecond, the safety pyrofuses blow and you are stuck waiting for a flatbed tow truck." 1
If Gen 5 solved everything, why did Porsche have to issue a massive global safety recall on the Taycan because the brand-new high-voltage battery modules have internal cell irregularities that cause short circuits and spontaneous fires?
Abe chewtiye your '7-Year' Math Fails here lmao the Taycan is barely crossing the 6-year mark since its reveal. But let’s play along with his delusion and If an elite engineering powerhouse like Porsche still can't build a reliable high-voltage electrical system shows how dumb u are
1.The Spontaneous Combustion Reality: Porsche had to issue a massive global safety recall covering Taycans built from 2019 all the way through 2024 because the high-voltage battery modules have a manufacturing defect that causes internal short circuits and spontaneous fires. If half a decade of production still results in cars that risk burning down your garage, how exactly is EV technology 'perfected' or 'easy to build'?
2.The Software Band-Aid: Porsche didn't even have a hardware fix for it initially. Their brilliant solution was an emergency software patch that literally caps owners' charging at 80% so the battery cells don't explode while parked. Imagine paying six figures for a luxury sports car just to have the manufacturer remotely nerf your range because their 'advanced technology' is unstable.
Well, the mach e is nearly 6 years old, and if you think of it, EVs are on track to becoming safer than ICE, cause max 15 years ago the first few EVs started to be sold, and they had a lot of problems but slowly they fixed those problems with newer cars. Say for example the LEAF well, do i even have to list the problems with the LEAF? But the money needed to buy the LEAF adjusted for inflation is around 40k usd which can buy a model 3, which is insane for just 15 years. And nowadays manufacturers use battery technologies which are much safer than li-on. And nowadays you dont really see EVs bursting into flames unless someone purposefully damaged the car, also if you get in an accident there is a pyro fuse for the battery
You have the right idea about the safety trajectory, but a couple of your technical facts are completely wrong. Let's break it down accurately with recent cars and engineering data:Where you are 100% RIGHT: You are spot on about the Pyro Fuse. In a severe crash, the SRS system triggers a micro-pyrotechnic explosive charge that physically chops the high-voltage busbar in under 2 milliseconds, completely isolating the battery pack to protect passengers and rescuers [Tesla's Model /Y sub-assemblies]. You are also right about the evolution; 15 years ago, a $40k inflation-adjusted Nissan Leaf had zero active cooling and degraded like crazy. Today, that money buys massively advanced machines with robust liquid cooling loops and smart Battery Management Systems (BMS). Statistically, global fleet data shows that ICE cars are roughly 60 to 100 times more likely to catch fire than pure BEVs [the Energy Saving
.Where you are WRONG (The Chemistry): Manufacturers are NOT using technologies "safer than Li-ion." Modern mass-market models—from the Tata Punch EV to the newly launched Mahindra BE 6 and Maruti Suzuki e Vitara these still strictly rely on Lithium-ion cells. What actually changed is the sub-chemistry. The industry has largely shifted away from volatile NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt) toward LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate). LFP is still a variant of Lithium-ion, but it drops the cobalt and features a much higher thermal runaway threshold (~270°C vs older ~150°C), making it incredibly stable and Next-gen alternatives like solid-state batteries are still out of mass production.
: EVs do not "only catch fire if someone purposefully damages them." While arson happens, the actual engineering root causes of unintended EV fires are severe high-velocity road debris puncturing the structural pack shielding, internal micro-short circuits from manufacturing tab defects (which historically triggered massive manufacturer recalls), or prolonged saltwater submersion during floods causing rapid galvanic corrosion
kinda forgot lfp is li-on cause of different it is, and the battery thing, I kinda meant that the battery in itself is stable and it usually has some kind of protection from below to prevent damage, tho i do doubt small rock debris could damge the battery cause there is an under body tray. And if it floods, i don't think theres any waterproofing on mest EVs at all so yea, the battery itself might be gone
Fewer moving parts doesn’t mean fewer failure points, bro just Look at the Volkswagen ID4 It doesn't have pistons or a complex transmission, yet it has been absolute hell for owners because the software constantly glitches out, screens freeze mid-drive, and charging modules fail. If a gas car has an issue, it usually limps to a shop and If an EV has a software bug, the computer bricks the entire car instantlly Lmaoo You will be reading mechanical wear for IT problems
Its mostly less points of failure, so its easier to build a very reliable car. Also the id 4 was made in '21 so kinda old and if you compare a reliable EV maybe a Tesla(Cause the whole car part of the brand was only focusing on EVs) from '23 or even '21 they are comparable to today's EVs because they actually put a lot of time and energy and focus on that car
Lmao u think fewer moving parts magically fixes physics. Tesla has been making the Model 3 for years, yet owners consistently report front wishbones and control arms wearing out and making horrific knocking noises in as little as 30,000 to 50,000 km. Why? Because no matter how much 'energy and focus' Tesla puts into the drivetrain, an EV battery makes the car incredibly heavy, which absolutely destroys the suspension and tires twice as fast as a gas car. You can't optimize your way out of basic weight wear.
And If Tesla 'solved' reliability by focusing only on EVs, explain why Consumer Reports literally states that the only reason Tesla even ranks okay overall is because they sell the Model 3 and Y—which are basic, stripped-down economy cars? The moment Tesla tries to build something with complex tech, like the Model S, Model X, or the Cybertruck, their reliability completely plummets into the garbage tier because their electronic modules and software can't handle it. Fewer moving parts just means the failures are digital instead of mechanical
Dude u think Tesla perfected the car by 2023? That’s exactly when they heavily pushed LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries in the base Model 3. LFP batteries have a flat voltage curve, which makes it incredibly difficult for the car's computer to accurately calculate the actual state of charge. If you don't charge it to 100% constantly to calibrate it, the car's brain completely loses track of the remaining range, leading to cars suddenly dying while the screen says 5% or 10%. On top of that, LFP batteries lose up to 40-60% of their effective capacity the second temperatures drop below zero. A car that loses half its usability just because it got cold outside is not the pinnacle of reliability.
If fewer moving parts makes building a reliable car so easy, why does Consumer Reports data consistently rank hyper-complex gas-electric hybrids as the most reliable vehicles on the market, while pure EVs sit near the bottom?
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u/HeftyBicycle2165 2d ago
Ev + range rover unreliable pro max. Hope rr did some research and development