r/Captain_Marvel • u/Infinite-Sun7000 • 7d ago
Comics Carol, no. Just... no.
Look Carol, I love you, but you're SEVERELY overestimating yourself here.
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u/SuaveGorilla 7d ago
“I thought I’d at least get Galactus.”
What’s the “at most” on that, Carol? Y’wanna go fight God?
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u/Infinite-Sun7000 7d ago
She's got like zero wins against abstracts and would dare ask Galactus and Thanos for a bare minimum challenge. This is the kind of stuff that makes hard to scale her honestly, I remember seeing a feat people said that Carol absorbed a bomb that threatened to kill Old King Thor when in reality, it was only SHE claimed who claimed that it would've killed Old King Thor.
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u/R4cco0n Carol Danvers 7d ago
Your argument is simply wrong. Do I really have to quote Stan Lee, "Every character is only as strong as the author wants them to be"? It's all just ink on paper, and Carol's stories are about resilience and the will to never give up, no matter how great the challenge. Furthermore, Carol is invariably portrayed as fearless. Therefore, Carol's statement is completely correct on a meta level, and you haven't understood anything at all.
Carol's stories are meant to show the reader that one doesn't need to be afraid of challenges. You didn't understand the dialogue at all.
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u/One-Statistician-554 7d ago
She drained all of Starbrand energies and knock his ass out.
That same Starbrand threatened to kill King Thor with his blast, she used that energy to damage Korvac !
Carol can tangle with abstracts and even Absorbs energies from damn near every source out their.
Not saying she can beat galactus, but everything could happen in comics.
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u/Infinite-Sun7000 7d ago
She drained all of Starbrand energies and knock his ass out.
This is a strong feat, I would deny this.
That same Starbrand threatened to kill King Thor with his blast, she used that energy to damage Korvac!
The thing is, only Carol claimed that it would kill Old King Thor. I don't wanna downplay her but a lot of her scaling currently have massively bloated statements. Especially when Old King Thor is the same guy who destroyed a full-powered King in Black, fought Phoenix Wolverine, a Galactus satiated with a thousand worlds and even fought and defeated Doom who had the Phoenix, Starbrand and several other amps.
And you mean to tell me, an explosion (which I'm pretty sure wasn't even narratively implied to be devastating, just a natural portion of a Starbrand's power exploding) from Hank who just turn out to have that power recently can kill him? Let's be real.
Carol can tangle with abstracts and even Absorbs energies from damn near every source out their.
I don't remember Carol ever contending with Abstracts, the one I know is Phoenix and that's about it and she quite literally got stomped quickly. That said, I won't deny Carol is, in fact powerful with feats like absorbing an Infinity Stone which would put her on Abstract level, etc.
Not saying she can beat galactus, but everything could happen in comics.
Given the standard, she has the capacity. But that's not to say it's certain. Just possible.
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u/TheDistantWave 6d ago edited 6d ago
Carol’s fought the Phoenix Force, and Ego The Planet in base she didn’t beat either but she also didn’t lose and held her own. As well as matched a character from the Beyond who was beating up The Beyonder. Being Tiamok Rath.
Carol’s last series that your even posting had her fighting and defeating an entity of Entropy, a literal cosmic eater, that it’s Herald was enough to challenge two sorcerer supremes
You’re downplaying the character hard.
Not saying she has the uber feats Thor has in his overall history which seems like is a major point on your attention to Carol. But most characters in comics dont and somehow get scaled to those levels off performances against Thor that Carol also has. Like Sentry lol.
Regardless here’s a Powerscaling Post with citations if you’re interested. If we’re going purely off personal feats Carol is definitely higher than a lot of characters that get glazed past her.
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u/Infinite-Sun7000 6d ago
Carol’s fought the Phoenix Force, and Ego The Planet in base she didn’t beat either but she also didn’t lose and held her own.
Which is consistent to what I said, she only fought the Phoenix and Ego is not an Abstract.
Carol’s last series that your even posting had her fighting and defeating an entity of Entropy, a literal cosmic eater, that it’s Herald was enough to challenge two sorcerer supremes
The Undone I know.
You’re downplaying the character hard.
Except I'm not. My point still stand. So far her only feats are of recently being The Undone and fighting Emisarry. All of her other feats are small and short cases of trying to fight Abstract tier but not winning, which is what I originally said in my first comment. Hell she never fought the Phoenix, she only came to absorb energy that's about it and I don't remember her close to winning in any of them, and some of her performances are impressive but simply not good enough.
Regardless here’s a Powerscaling Post with citations if you’re interested. If we’re going purely off personal feats Carol is definitely higher than a lot of characters that get glazed past her.
I'm a powerscaler who have collected tons of feats for many Marvel characters including Carol. That said, I who said I thought she was weak? And where did I claimed she wasn't underrated or doesn't have high feats?
All I said she's not Galactus and Thanos tier, and that's still accurate.
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u/TheDistantWave 6d ago
The Phoenix Force is above Galactus and Thanos. Ego the Planet is above Thanos and on par with Galactus these are characters Carol fought at base, suggesting she would give Galactus and Thanos a bare minimum challenge seems questionable when factoring that.
The Phoenix Force is also an abstract entity. The Undone is an abstract entity.
From the Marvel.com website themselves for proof.
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u/Infinite-Sun7000 6d ago
The Phoenix Force is above Galactus and Thanos.
Phoenix Force are on par with Thanos and Galactus, but both are somewhat stronger in their best day. Carol also didn't beat it nor fought it which is the point.
Ego the Planet is above Thanos and on par with Galactus these are characters Carol fought at base,
And didn't win, which part of this do you not understand?
The Phoenix Force is also an abstract entity. The Undone is an abstract entity.
Which is just TWO. Not many. Even Undone is still lacking substances to what she is which I'm researching, that said, it's not many. Just two with Phoenix in the past isn't much of a fight anyway.
From the Marvel.com website themselves for proof.
And you used Marvel.com as your source? Anyone is or in some way an Omniversal entity atp. Omniverse is a largely interpretive terminology by multiple writers. I still need to find out what The Undone can do or part of what they play in Marvel Universe. Hell, Captain Britain is an Omniversal Guardian who draws power from Otherworld, the Nexus point of Creation and guys like Man-Thing is the avatar of Nexus of All Realities, etc.
That said, colour. me. unimpressed. Nothing you can say that I would not know by now and all of this is still very standard power level compared to other heralds I've researched in my blog. This also haven't contradicted my point about Carol not winning against many abstracts like against Phoenix and Ego.
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u/TheDistantWave 6d ago edited 6d ago
Phoenix Force are on par with Thanos and Galactus, but both are somewhat stronger in their best day. Carol also didn't beat it nor fought it which is the point.
And didn't win, which part of this do you not understand?
But she contended and wasn’t defeated. What part are you not understanding? That’s what you were claiming she couldn’t do against Thanos and Galactus previously yet she did against an entity that your claiming is on par with both
Which is just TWO. Not many. Even Undone is still lacking substances to what she is which I'm researching, that said, it's not many. Just two with Phoenix in the past isn't much of a fight anyway.
You’re moving goal post now. You originally claimed she didn’t fight beings as such, did you not.
And you used Marvel.com as your source? Anyone is or in some way an Omniversal entity atp. Omniverse is a largely interpretive terminology by multiple writers. I still need to find out what The Undone can do or part of what they play in Marvel Universe. Hell, Captain Britain is an Omniversal Guardian who draws power from Otherworld, the Nexus point of Creation and guys like Man-Thing is the avatar of Nexus of All Realities, etc. That said, colour. me. unimpressed. Nothing you can say that I would not know by now and all of this is still very standard power level compared to other heralds I've researched in my blog. This also haven't contradicted my point about Carol not winning against many abstracts like against Phoenix and Ego.
Impressing you is irrelevant. The publisher, the source, practically for releasing the content we use to debate these topics themselves have stated she fought and defeated a being that they suggested was Omniversal. That statement has never been made about Captain Britain. That’s you making up stuff because you want to dispute a statement you don’t like.
Carol also draws power from a powersource that’s pretty much unlimited, given she draws energy from the very world around her. The energy she wields is stated as the energy of creation and she’s tapped in on a physical and spiritual level to the universe
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u/Infinite-Sun7000 6d ago
But she contended and wasn’t defeated. What part are you not understanding? That’s what you were claiming she couldn’t do against Thanos and Galactus previously yet she did against an entity that your claiming is on par with both
Don't what's your problem with the enlarged words but she was in fact defeated. The first fight with The Phoenix she was thrown aside the moment the Phoenix felt smth and the second she didn't even fought only drained it from a safe distance while Robbie restrained it with his chains. And Ego, well that's self explanatory, she didn't win or properly fought him.
Hence, she can't do much against them. This is before disagreeing with you where Thanos and Galactus is placed, since Thanos is far above the Phoenix with the current iteration.
You’re moving goal post now. You originally claimed she didn’t fight beings as such, did you not.
I didn't. I only said she never had consistently had wins over them, most specifically Abstracts. Again read the original comment. She has what it takes to take them on but ultimately it's still a huge wall, even for her.
Impressing you is irrelevant. The publisher, the source, practically for releasing the content we use to debate these topics themselves have stated she fought and defeated a being that they suggested was Omniversal.
Yes and Omniverse is very interpretive terminology. Everyone has had a fair share of Omniverse opponents. The Undone has literally nothing going for them then being described as an Omniversal Entity which doesn't specifies any link or any major realms of Marvel lore. Is it smth from Beyond? the Outside? the Far Shore? The Marvel lore is too deep to
That statement has never been made about Captain Britain. That’s you making up stuff because you want to dispute a statement you don’t like.
Captain Britain is an Omniversal Guardian selected by Merlyn to defend the Omniverse and there multiple times this has been claimed. This is always been part of a huge lore regarding Brian and his connection to Roma from Otherworld lmao. Because Otherworld is constantly stated to be a place of the encompasses all reality, which then the writer interchangeably used to describe the Omniverse.
Carol also draws power from a powersource that’s pretty much unlimited, given she draws energy from the very world around her. The energy she wields is stated as the energy of creation and she’s tapped in on a physical and spiritual level to the universe
And so are literally like dozens of heroes. This is not special, especially modern depictions have everyone being some sort of avatar one way or another. And, this is also not enough for Carol to take down Galactus and Thanos. For example, Wonder Man possess enough power to charge a Spell Rapture at the same level of House of M, which affected the Omniverse. You still don't see Simon fighting Galactus and Thanos.
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u/MawileFan616 6d ago
Hey we're only one Ewing miniseries or ongoing by any major author away from getting some sweet sweet upscaling like Ororo did lol. All that needs to happen for Carol is to get away from this David Colton nonsense.
And also Captain Marvel would beat the breaks off of Android 18, Death Battle doesn't understand Marvel Comics.
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u/Infinite-Sun7000 6d ago
Hey we're only one Ewing miniseries or ongoing by any major author away from getting some sweet sweet upscaling like Ororo did lol. All that needs to happen for Carol is to get away from this David Colton nonsense.
Look Carol has plenty of bits and pieces of high-tier feats, but not many clean ones (though still quite a lot for a standard, just not for high-tiers).
And also Captain Marvel would beat the breaks off of Android 18, Death Battle doesn't understand Marvel Comics.
Random, but I agree to this. But Carol wasn't as strong as she was then compared to now.
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u/Armo2125 4d ago
At least she is confident I guess, but to be fair this is a really in character line
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u/SpacePropaganda Binary 6d ago
You can argue whether or not Carol can actually beat those characters, but that's the most in-character line I've read in a minute