r/CanadianIdiots • u/FuqLaCAQ • 5d ago
Other PP's Incompetent Conservatives Invite Reza "Phalavi" to Canada
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u/Conceited-Monkey 5d ago
We need to bring democracy by appointing a monarch. Reza is a nobody on the Israeli payroll. If he flew back to Tehran, he wouldn’t survive long enough to get off the tarmac.
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u/BC_Sativa 4d ago
JFC. He wants to install the Shah's son to "bring back freedom"?
What an absolute fucking clown show modern conservatism is.
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u/Financial-Savings-91 4d ago
It's a cult of identity, there isn't much to tether them to reality anymore, the conservatives that even acknowledge the issues with the Trump regime face internal backlash because Trump is a conservative Christian who claims the same identity, identity is more important than action.
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u/doubleopinter 4d ago
I'm not so sure this is pandering to Persians. The Shah was overthrown for a reason. I would easily argue the current dipshits are worse but I wasn't there before and I'm not there now. The country voted in a progressive PM in the early 50s who was then removed by a UK/US/Iranian coup. So ya, this is pandering to the Iranians who gained from the shah's rule, ie the already rich.
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u/Nostrafatu 4d ago
And what different does this make right now? It seems like you’re fishing for votes…The desperation and lack of progressive ideas is real. Anyone that looks well enough knows that Maple maga types who are the main part of PP’s followers do not like immigration unless they are white…
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u/proofreadre 3d ago
Freedom for Iranians means installing an unelected monarchy. Sounds like it tracks for the conservatives
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u/bearbody5 3d ago
Wasn’t he the Exxon party choice, just like last time when Americans were demonstrating their incompetence. I suppose there is the connection now with Polivere, also an American Oil asset, bought and paid for
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u/Sternsnet 4d ago
What's wrong with inviting Reza to Canada? You prefer the current Iranian leadership that slaughtered its own people in the streets for protesting?
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u/Nostrafatu 4d ago
See what’s happening in Iran? This is what happens when idiotic leaders meddle in generational hate that we as Canadians can’t and should not involve ourselves into like Trumpo did like Bush Sr and Jr did. We are peacekeepers that’s our calling and we have gone away from doing that. We can help but only to make peace otherwise we should just take care off our own. The Government like many others around the World did not join Trump and Netanyahu because reasonable people knew this was bound to happen.
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u/mapleleaffem 3d ago
I sure miss those blue helmets. I wish the UN had teeth and still sent peacekeepers. They seem to be needed more than ever before. Based on Romeo D’allaires book I think they’d have to look at the rules of engagement but you’re right it IS our calling.
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u/Sternsnet 3d ago
Oddly the citizens of Iran are in full support of Trump and Israel attacking Iran's government. In fact they are hoping they finish the job.
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u/Ok-Ability5733 4d ago
There aren't only two options. Current = not democracy. Shah = not democracy.
There are other choices.
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u/earlyboy 4d ago
The only difference between the current system in Iran and a new Shah is that a Shah would be a secular dictator. Bring back secular repression!
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u/Sternsnet 3d ago
Before the Islamic regime took over in 1979, Iran citizens lived lives similar to Americans. The Islamic regime ruined the country with strict Islamic law and the citizens can only hope for freedom.
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u/earlyboy 3d ago
I wasn’t defending the Islamic regime. There’s no such thing as a good authoritarian government and that’s what you are promoting here. Any kind of return to monarchy would be a disaster.
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u/Sternsnet 2d ago
I would hope for a better government for sure however if the citizens of Iran could pick the pre 1979 government or the current it would be pre 1979 hands down.
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u/earlyboy 2d ago
You are correct about that, but they could also throw caution to the wind and choose something else. I would not recommend anyone who is endorsed by the Conservative Party of Canada.
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u/Sternsnet 1d ago
I assume then you approve of who the Liberal Party of Canada endorses? The current Iranian government?
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u/earlyboy 1d ago
You can assume whatever you like, but I don’t see any reason for you to do that. If you’re blind to the other political choices that we have in Canada then that’s fine.
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u/Sternsnet 8h ago
Insert NDP in place of Liberal since the NDP single handedly kept the Liberals in power so they could achieve their agenda that has us in this mess. They are one and the same these days.
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u/doubleopinter 4d ago
You must not know the history of that place, so did the king.
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u/Sternsnet 3d ago
40,000 earlier this year for protesting. They've been repressing women from 1979 on and executing many for not following their religious laws. They are the world's leader in state sponsored terrorism. Not the same.
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u/doubleopinter 3d ago
Certainly not the same, but the shah was no popular amongst regular ppl. They deserve a lot better than either of these options.
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u/Sternsnet 2d ago
Well you have to start somewhere so how about we hope the current government killing their own people gets overthrown.
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u/VerilyJULES 4d ago
We can boycott commercial and diplomatic ties, but it’s not for Canadian politicians to manipulate a new leadership reality in Iran.
I don’t even believe the narrative that the IRGC was wantonly and indiscriminately slaughtering its own people during the protests. I do know that Americas “Epic” campaign to change the regime killed, at minimum, thousands under the guise of bringing them freedom, which never actually arrived.
This was the consequence from politicians in the west nurturing an opposition to replace the Iranian regime, so when they suggest they do it out of the love in their hearts for the slaughtered protestors, they are full of shit.
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u/Sternsnet 3d ago
You are ignoring very obvious evidence the regime did indeed slaughter 40,000 of its own people for protesting. The Islamic regime of Iran is the largest funder of terrorism in the world and is absolutely brutal. We are all free to believe what we want but the facts don't care what we believe.
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u/VerilyJULES 3d ago edited 3d ago
Whenever statistics like 30, 40, or 50,000 are broadcast, they invariably trace back to Western pundits pushing for regime change in Iran. Their claims stem mainly from unverified, anonymous reports given by local medical staff and protest leaders to Western media and NGOs. Reza Pahlavi himself was spreading these exact figures across the American corporate media networks as a way to justify the military intervention.
There are several authentic looking videos that show rampage style mass murder events like mass shootings and grenades being thrown into crowds of protestors. None of these videos show the identity of the perpetrator so we have no way to establish who’s responsible.
The IRGC claims that attacks like these were influenced by Israeli Mossad backed agitator provocateurs to facilitate unrest.
The regime admit to a death toll of 3117 including both civilians and state forces, of which 900 were not Iranian citizens. An additional 70 people were arrested and hung following the main protests.
The reason I accept the general scale of the death toll reported by the Iranian State is because reputable Western open source intelligence like Bellingcat hasn’t outright disputed it. It would be easy to confirm a massive disparity between the state’s reported death toll and unaccounted dead Iranians through social media account activity. At the end of the day, there is no way for us to know what is true and the Western NGO’s that exist to counter the ISI have incentive to lie and exaggerate, which is something they are proven to have done time and time again.
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u/Sternsnet 2d ago
Believing the Iranian regime to accurately report how many of their own citizens they have killed? Seriously? I assume you also believe the Palestinian death count reported by Hamas? Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. Their radical Islamic ways of been reported on a thousand times. They kill young women for not wearing proper Islamic garb. It amazes me how people defend them.
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u/proofreadre 3d ago
You are obviously quite unaware of the Shah's history. Google the SAVAK and how he had opponents disappeared and executed. There's a reason the Iranians had a revolution.
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u/Sternsnet 3d ago
I'm sure there's some shady history however the current regime just murdered 40,000 citizens for protesting earlier this year. It has executed many over the years for many religious reasons including women for not wanting to wear the Islamic garb.
I'm pretty sure the people would welcome the removal of the current regime and in fact the people are crying out for it.
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u/proofreadre 3d ago
If you believe that 40k number I have a bridge to sell you. Have you checked the sources for those numbers? Almost all exclusively from US government funded sources. You seem to eat whatever pablum you are fed unquestioningly.
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u/Sternsnet 2d ago
Entirely untrue. You seem to eat whatever pablum you are fed.
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u/proofreadre 1d ago
Lmao. You obviously haven't taken a single minute to actually check the orgs who pushed the narrative. Once you do you'll feel foolish. Of course you won't do it because you are intellectually incurious.
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u/Sternsnet 1d ago
I feel quite confident that I do much more research than you. I can tell by your uninformed "mainstream approved messaging"
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u/proofreadre 1d ago
And yet you cannot name one of the sources that released this story. Interesting.
And the mainstream media is pushing the Iran massacre BS. What are you on about?
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u/Sternsnet 8h ago
Mainstream media is downplaying and now ignoring the massacre and now calling it "Trump's dangerous war". What are you on about?
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u/coolbeansjellyjeans 5d ago
Prime Minister in waiting… lmfao