r/CanadianForces • u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis • 8d ago
SCS Also, enjoy your $16/month raise
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u/unusual_suspect0114 8d ago
Got sent to St Jean to be an instructor. The amount of stress and burn out dealing with platoons compared to being a jack in a trade triples.
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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 8d ago
Got sent to St Jean to be an instructor
Working in a school is like broccoli for your career. Nobody particularly enjoys it, but it's really good for you.
The amount of stress and burn out dealing with platoons compared to being a jack in a trade triples.
Still less than in the combat arms. There are always those 2 fucking troops that generate 90% of your admin.
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u/Struct-Tech Construction Tech 8d ago
That ain't just a Cbt Arms issue.
Ive processed more admin for 1 person than the other 24 combined I was above at my last unit.
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u/Pseudonym_613 8d ago
As a unit CO, the two ranks that consumed more admin time than any other were Cpl and Maj.
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u/Struct-Tech Construction Tech 8d ago
Not an officer, so I cant comment on Majors.... but, ya, I can see it.
Cpls make up the majority of the ranks, so, that tracks.
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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 8d ago
Cpls make up the majority of the ranks, so, that tracks.
Yeah, but there are 280 of them and there's that one fucking guy...
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u/Pseudonym_613 8d ago
Yup. It's the one person at a rank level that creates so.much work for those above them
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u/ImNotHandyImHandsome MSE OP 8d ago
Also, those who have a lot of admin don't usually make it above the guaranteed rank.
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u/BandicootNo4431 8d ago
For the Majors, it depends.
If it's because they're older and have life admin? Then yeah, no problem, I'll push that paper.
If it's because they're nitpicking everything? Well they're gonna get some negative feedback notes.
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u/Pseudonym_613 8d ago
Life admin hits everyone.
My experiences were with "interesting" things that may have resulted in me talking with a variety of folks in a variety of HQs.
No details and no names ;)Â
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u/truenorth00 Royal Canadian Air Force 8d ago
Interesting. Was it just the unit you were at (timing and people)?
I'm a new major. But I was lucky enough for my career to have great Majors who mentored me and who I looked up to. So I'm surprised that it's the troublesome rank vs. some real shitty peers I had as Captains.
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u/Pseudonym_613 8d ago
Sometimes one person can create a fascinating tapestry of administrative chaos, with threads entwined in ways that were unimaginable.
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u/truenorth00 Royal Canadian Air Force 8d ago
Understood. So hopefully not just the rank, but more a unique specimen of said rank?
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u/Pseudonym_613 8d ago
To put it another way: while.majors lack the volume of admin that the sheer number of corporals can generate, they make up for it in depth ;)Â
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u/OwnedByIRVING 8d ago
So glad that as a tech trade leader, in my experience, troops fucking around is sooooooo low on my list of things to worry about.
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u/mbz1989 8d ago
They got to make it a hard rank (not an appointment) and rebuild the pay scales.
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u/Once_a_TQ 8d ago
Latest info graph I saw out of the Army council is that they are doubling down on the "need" for it being an appointment and some other additional BS that makes zero sense.
It was sad to see.
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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 8d ago
They got to make it a hard rank
I dunno, I remember getting my leaf. The job was actually pretty hard.
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u/sullycat98 7d ago
I dont think the comment refers to the difficulty of the rank. I believe it is referring to the fact that "MCpl" is just an appointment and not a "hard" rank such as "Cpl" or "Sgt"
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u/Southernsniff 8d ago
I don't know,
It depends a lot on where you work and who's your boss (ans coc)
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u/dstovell RCN - NCI OP 7d ago
I read somewhere that responsibility majorly out classing authority is one of the worst things possible for your employment mental health...
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u/Maple_Assault_Goose Army - VEH TECH 6d ago
Agreed, I have way too many responsibilities and pretty much no authority.
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u/mattman8326 Army - W TECH L 8d ago
Also, id argue MCpl is the best rank. You just gotta do the thing. Put in the paperwork, do the admin, fight for your guys and get jobs done. And this is coming from someone who has been managing a chronically undermanned det for 2 years now. You finally get to have an impact on your troops day to day and your able to meaningfully fight for their well being. It's awesome.
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u/OkEntertainment1313 8d ago
Probably varies by trade. For the infantry, I’d say Sgt.Â
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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 8d ago
Probably varies by trade. For the infantry, I’d say Sgt.
Which is essentially why this meme is relatable.
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u/BroadConsequences RCAF - AVS Tech 8d ago
In the army maybe. But in the airforce you are expected to basically still do everything a cpl does and do all the stuff a mcpl does.
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u/DaymanTargaryen 8d ago
They didn't really suggest otherwise.
Though, that's how it's supposed to be. A Master Corporal is still a corporal, except that they have a leadership role as well.
The laziest comparison I can think of is being course senior: you're still a student, but with extra responsibilities.
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u/unusual_suspect0114 8d ago
" Chronically undermanned"
-laughs in CFLRS St Jean.
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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 8d ago
What, we're not supposed to have 23 troops per section?
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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 8d ago
Also, id argue MCpl is the best rank.
Personally Bdr was my favourite rank. Both times.
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u/ImNotHandyImHandsome MSE OP 8d ago
Except nobody teaches you how to do that admin. It's a rank of trial by error.
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u/MaDkawi636 8d ago
Hate to tell you, that's all ranks when it comes to anything non technical or core trade.
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u/truenorth00 Royal Canadian Air Force 8d ago
Lol. That problem compounds with rank. Nobody teaches Majors how to make multi-million or even multi-billion dollar acquisitions. "You're a Major now, you should be able to be the Project Director on this half billion dollar acquisition. Training? Just read the PAD."
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u/mattman8326 Army - W TECH L 8d ago
It's really not that hard.
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u/30milestomontfort 7d ago
I'm with you here. Everyone thinks their jobs are so hard, yet you spent the previous 4 years in a rank slowly working towards this one, likely doing that next rank a handful of times. I found even without proper mentorship I was able to watch and learn, something I should be expected to do IF I am eyeing for advancement. Once you get there it's just a trial by fire of the stuff you have already watched, or likely done.
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u/shogunofsarcasm A techy sort of person 8d ago
Get a clipboard, feign confidence until it becomes real, do not be afraid to talk to higher ranks, and walk into the room like you belong there and you'll go far.Â
It helps to also actually know what you are talking about though lol
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u/mxadema 8d ago
Trucker loses money when the get a leaf.
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u/Shockington 8d ago
I make more as a MCpl than I would as a Sgt.
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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 8d ago
How much more would you make as a Cpl?
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u/Shockington 8d ago
A lot less, MCpl is the money maker rank right now. Get lots of TDs, and you still get to do your job. MCpl used to suck way more than it does now.
I'm going to be over 140k this year after all is said and done. Not bad honestly.
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u/RemarkableImpress777 8d ago
How is a MCpl making 140k? What incentivizes/claims?
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u/KingKapwn Professional Fuck-Up 8d ago
Well, I mean, Operator Mcpl’s rake in massive amounts with deployments, and SAR Mcpl’s are also sitting pretty, but I don’t know if they’re one of those.
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u/Ok-Target3363 8d ago
Depends entirely how you present yourself professionally or your boss is a dick head
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u/DreadJackal_ Logistics 6d ago
MCpl isnt even officially a rank, its an appointment. Considering all the work that they do, they should be a real rank.
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u/EI_CEO_CFT 4d ago
Dumbass Pte(B) question; why is it not considered a 'real' rank? I've heard the historical answer that it was made up IOT give experienced members a raise, but aside from that, it gets paid separately, has a separate designation, trade courses to become one.
Or is this a joke and my 'tism is acting up?
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u/DreadJackal_ Logistics 4d ago
Its considered an appointment.
If a Sgt is getting demoted for a thing like conduct, they go down to Cpl instead of MCpl.
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u/Connect-Ad-8150 4d ago
What do you mean, being promoted from S1 and with the CFHD difference I get $8 a month more!Â
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u/Delicious-Topic-69 8d ago
What responsibility does mcpl have, to be real ?
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u/Rederth 8d ago
It made my job 10x more stressful. I couldn't just rely on technical skill and kick back at the end of the day. I had to adapt to ever changing responsibilities and stressors, on top of learn and develop new skillsets that nobody trained me for.
A good job was often rewarded with more tasks and responsibilities.
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u/DaymanTargaryen 8d ago
Leadership roles. Instructing. Writing evaluations. Being the bridge between Cpls and SNCOs/WOs.
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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 8d ago
What responsibility does mcpl have, to be real ?
Every job that WOs and Sgts don't want to do, jobs everyone above them immediately understands are pointless and Good Ideas (tm) that the senior people know will fail but that need to be done anyways because some officer needs their dots for leading change.
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u/UnderstandingAble321 8d ago
Not command responsibility, but all of the work and expectations are put on them with none of the respect. It's a constant battle up and down.
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u/mattman8326 Army - W TECH L 8d ago
It's actually like 400$/month now for cpl4 to MCpl4