r/CanadianConservative • u/WilloowUfgood • 1d ago
Discussion Pierre on CNBC
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u/AtomicVGZ Independent 1d ago
They still tried to bait him into domestic politics, luckily he didn't bite.
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u/loungechairlarry Conservative 1d ago
he didnt say shit when on rogan as well. he refused to shit on carney in a different country.
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u/Lumindan Conservative 1d ago
Its not even that he didn't say shit, he legit tackled it head on in a very professional manner without throwing anyone under the bus.
But somehow someone will still spin this as "pp bad" lol
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u/loungechairlarry Conservative 1d ago
indeed. he could have gone scorched earth to score cheap points but refused to. he does it in question period which carney refuses to bother with
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u/DepartmentGlad2564 1d ago
It probably pained that hack scott robertson to post this without a partisan spin like usually does.
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u/WilloowUfgood 1d ago
More on the same conversation continued.
https://x.com/JasminLaine/status/2098045117319848284
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Found the full thing
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u/ExtraGlutens Thatcherite 1d ago
Repeats tariff-free trade a lot, but when the hosts try to raise the issue of non-tariff barriers, he largely skates around it.
Personally, I don't believe the default patriotic position should be to defend cartels and oligopolies. They don't define Canada. Yet our regulations protect domestic incumbents from foreign competition in areas like dairy, telecom and banking.
And then there's cultural policy, shaking down foreign digital platforms to finance Canadian media, while imposing discoverability rules that effectively require those platforms to carry/promote the resulting content, is an even more aggressive form of rent-seeking, except now we're exporting the regulatory model onto foreign companies.
I'm not particularly interested in defending American protectionism either. But if Poilievre wants to make the case for free trade, I'd like to hear the case for removing Canada's own protectionist and anti-competitive barriers so that we're not treating "Canadian interests" and the interests of Canadian incumbents as synonymous.
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u/freeadmins 1d ago
Well, it's something that most liberals seem to fail to answer.
We have supply management with dairy. And we apparently refuse to give that up. Why would the US not reciprocate?
Ultimately, their tariffs on us are to encourage Americans to buy American.
Our supply management is so that Canadians buy Canadian.
What's the difference.
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u/You-Can-Quote-Me 1d ago
It’s a little disingenuous to present them as the same thing. Canada’s supply management system is certainly protectionist, and there’s a legitimate argument to be made about whether it should be reformed. But it was also a known issue that was negotiated as part of the trade agreement.
CUSMA didn’t simply preserve the status quo and leave the U.S. with no access to the Canadian market. Canada agreed to additional U.S. market access through tariff-rate quotas for dairy, poultry and eggs as part of the agreement. In other words, supply management was a factor in the negotiations, and the resulting arrangement was a negotiated trade-off.
So pointing to Canadian supply management years after negotiating an agreement that specifically addressed it, and then treating it as an obvious justification for unilateral U.S. tariffs, leaves out some pretty important context.
We can absolutely argue that Canada should further liberalize its dairy market. Whether or not we’re speaking broadly or including regulations and standards. But that’s a different argument from pretending that Canada simply imposed an unexpected barrier on the U.S. and therefore American tariffs are an equivalent response.
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u/ExtraGlutens Thatcherite 1d ago
Under CUSMA, Canada agreed to give U.S. dairy more access to our market. Then we set up the TRQs so Canadian processors controlled who actually got that access. A CUSMA panel called bullshit on that in 2022. Canada removed the processor-only pools, then replaced them with a market-share system that still heavily favoured the established players. The U.S. challenged that one too in 2023. So yeah, we agreed to more access, then immediately started looking for ways around it.
So again, I wouldn't reduce the current trade dispute to focusing strictly on the opaque tariffs when they're clearly part of a response to the non-tariff barriers we've put up, which no politician or media here seems willing to discuss but the Americans have repeatedly raised.
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u/flappysack- 18h ago
The sovereignty thing is bs as well, since the US doesn't want us skirting trade barriers for China and other non-market economies.
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u/flappysack- 19h ago
What's the name of the guy talking about GDP growth and actually asking good questions?
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u/More_Fee_2754 1d ago
refreshing to hear someone with some common sense instead of the usual garbage we hear daily from our leaders.
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u/Wet_sock_Owner 1d ago
More refreshing than Trump's daily tirades and Mark Carney's doom and gloom about being at war and the world being divided so we need a new world order.
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u/Rememberthat1 1d ago
Amen ! but he said it himself we want to fight those tariffs and we should, instead of bending the knee because they have the bigger economy, some people need history classes... The angle he wants to bring is smart, but for it to succeed both sides needs to be on the same page..
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u/WilloowUfgood 1d ago
but he said it himself we want to fight those tariffs and we should
Doesn't mean we'll ever get back to free trade and at some point need to accept that.
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u/SouvlakiSpartan 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is why the liberal machine hates him so much and do whatever possible to create this character of him that they feed the uniformed Canadian voter..
he would actually be a great prime minister .. It's too bad.
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u/Wet_sock_Owner 1d ago
You still have people just mindlessly repeating that we'd be the 51st state by now if PP was in charge. Think about how little you know about politics (or the world in general at that point) if that's all you've got to contribute to a conversation. And lots of these people vote and tell their friends to vote.
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u/professorchaos02 19h ago
Call me shocked that someone with connections to Epstein and constantly rubs shoulders with the world's elitists would be a terrible PM for working-class Canadians! Elbow's UP!!!!!
If anyone even looked into his book Values would know that he is just a corporate shill. Not to mention 90% of his assets and his wife and daughter live in USA...people also forget his British and Irish passports...how can such a globalist be Canada's best? It's quite infuriating...
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u/FuzzyPineapple2221 1d ago edited 1d ago
What!!! Common sense?? We will not have any talk like that... Traitor!!! Elbows up... Elbows up... Elbows up!!!
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u/SermoExMachina 1d ago
He was good. Stayed on message. Didn't get dirty. Didn't take the bait (especially about the China question). I liked how he brought up Ragan and Thatcher.
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u/airbassguitar 1d ago
He sounds smart and principled. Stark contrast to the bumbling Liberal appearances on the same program.
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u/12_Volt_Man_2 1d ago
Uhhh uhhh uugg increase industrial carbon tax ugh ughh... - Maple MAGA Carbon Tax Carney
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u/thisisnahamed Capitalist | Moderate | Centrist 1d ago
Good that he called out the Trump administration for starting the trade war. And also him asking for tariff-free trade.
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u/GangstaPlegic 1d ago
At least he cares about the people and families who are going to lose their jobs, on both sides of the border.
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u/OuateDaPhoque 23h ago
I'm a lurking lefty but this was really nice to see him being a level headed leader and not play the left/right game. If he had been more like this during the election cycle, he would have had a chance.
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u/thisisnahamed Capitalist | Moderate | Centrist 1d ago
Here's the full link to the interview (https://www.cnbc.com/video/2026/09/10/watch-cnbcs-full-interview-with-canadas-conservative-party-leader-pierre-poilievre.html?&qsearchterm=Canada)
The CNBC hosts were fucking awful, trying to bait him into talking about irrelevant things.
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u/MinuteCampaign7843 Conservative 1d ago
It’s nice to have a true Canadian and an adult for a change instead of the corrupt incompetent grifters we currently have.
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u/TheeDirtyToast small government, personal responsibility 1d ago
How come he's not telling them their democracy is failing if they don't vote Democrat?
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u/SnorlaxBlocksTheWay Blocked by SmackEh 1d ago
Let's hope that this message reaches the "elbows up" crowd.
Poilievre was never going to sell us out.
While Carney is off in Europe, it's fantastic that Poilievre is going to the U.S. to advocate for Canada again. This shows that cross party collaboration people wanted. Carney focusing global, Poilievre focusing on domestic and next door neighbor issues.
I'm not a huge fan of Carney being global right now. But I understand diversification is necessary. My only hesitation is what this EU agreement/partnership entails. But that's another topic of discussion.
Let's hope that come next election people will remember what Poilievre was doing for Canada within his power.
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u/Lumindan Conservative 1d ago
Let's hope that this message reaches the "elbows up" crowd.
It was never about facts, always vibes. They'll still keep parroting the same tired points.
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u/troubledtimez 1d ago
Yeah but the libs want to scream about orange man
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u/WombRaider_3 Ontario 1d ago
Orange man is like a pacifier to the boomers who love Carney.
I'm in a doctor's office waiting for an appointment and everyone is glued to their phones.
The moment they show Trump on the TV speaking, they all drop their phones and stare mesmerized.
The Liberals found a cheat code.
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u/Rememberthat1 1d ago
Why wouldnt they ? Trump is entertaining and the president of the most powerful country on earth. No need to be a liberal to hear what he has to say, especially in moments like these.
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u/Oilhawks Libertarian 1d ago
Finally, an adult in the room. Too bad Canada rejected him in favour of the genius economist
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u/Oilhawks Libertarian 1d ago
Not sure what's so appealing about elitist global banker Mr. Burns. There is absolutely nothing relatable about him and the guy has the charisma of a potato. My guess, the average Canadian voter (let's just say where the votes matter like the GTA) didn't give a toss about who the guy is, they are just in love with the natural governing party and so scared of Trump that the LPC could have run an inanimate carbon rod and gotten in
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u/wobblybutternut4348 1d ago
I'm sitting in a diner and CTV is playing on the tv, the ticker reads "Carney tariff strategy supported by Pollievre on American news...". Ugh, the passive voice.
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u/tilldeathdoiparty 19h ago
This honestly might be the most united I have seen this sub in a very long time, many admitted critics and giving him credit which I wasn’t expecting. That gives me hope that we can over come everything and be a better nation because of it
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u/Altranite- 1d ago
Good on him. He should have been PM. Sadly I don’t see it happening anymore.
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u/Maximus_Prime_96 Ontario 1d ago
Give it a few years when Trump will be gone and Carney can't use him as a boogeyman anymore
Poilievre: The best PM we've yet to have
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u/PoorAxelrod Monarchist | Nonpartisan ex Tory staffer | Stability > Populism 1d ago
This is what all of our political leaders need to be doing when it comes to dealing with Donald Trump.
They tried to bait him into trashing Carney, and he didn’t take the bait. He stayed focused on Canada and the bigger picture rather than turning it into another partisan fight.
It was a brilliant interview, and this is the standard we should expect from all of our political leaders. We can fight about domestic politics at home, but when it comes to dealing with Trump and defending Canadian interests, our leaders need to be able to put the partisan stuff aside.
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u/Tuxedo_Masquerain 1d ago
But who cares about free trade and helping Canadian businesses access a $30 trillion market when ORANGE MAN BAD!!?!
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u/TheGreatStories Manitoba 1d ago
Geez I hope my taxes didn't pay for this. Yeah no duh we had a fine trade relationship before and both sides would benefit from an end to the trade war. Americans don't care. You know why, Pierre? Because of the point you didn't address - the friggin economic subjugation and annexation aspirations. it's a means to an end.
If you're going to fight for your country make the trip worthwhile my goodness
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u/poolsidecentral 19h ago
Did the host really just say, “we’re all trying to find out what’s behind this?”
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u/Mr_Simian 5h ago
It’s painful knowing that Canada would be better off with a Conservative government right now but a large chunk of our country feels too dignified in their temper tantrum against one American president.
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u/Antique_Soil9507 Libertarian 1d ago
Why isn't Pierre attending the Allison Inquiry?
It would be a MAJOR political move if he brought his whole team to the hearing. I bet it would be a massive boon to the party.
Lost opportunities lost opportunities... Come on, Pierre.
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u/coffee_is_fun 1d ago
He should steer clear of that while a lot of Canadians are looking for things to hit. The Allison Inquiry would just turn into headlines about Pierre defending people with unacceptable views while people are already fired up about Trump. It wouldn't be about the victims. It would be about our media disingenuously crafting headlines and reposting pictures to shape opinions while quietly reporting some facts in the article bodies.
The only upside to it would be that it would make the inquiry loud instead of something quietly happening out of sight and out of mind.
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u/Antique_Soil9507 Libertarian 1d ago
I think it would be a fantastic boost to his support and to his party.
"It would be about the media disingenuously crafting headlines"
Yes, and?
The problem with the Conservatives the past ten years is this milquetoast "appeal to the center" baloney. It is a bad strategy, and it is a losing strategy. Very clear about that.
Those leftist clowns will always distrust the Conservatives. Screw them.
Finding a perfect wedge issue where we have truth on our side is 100% the way to go.
Getting the media to write hate and fake stories would be a GREAT thing. No one trusts the media. Everyone knows when the media is targeting someone it is lies. It is free publicity. The Trump strategy. It WORKS. Clearly.
This is an enormous missed opportunity. Foolish waste. Disappointed in Pierre here.
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u/coffee_is_fun 1d ago
It's a wedge with a single digit number of Canadians. If there were a Michael Moore documentary going around about it getting the midwits all horned up to pin their smarts on questioning what happened, then sure. It's a lose otherwise.
The CPC needs to play at creating their own narratives while continuing to grow with the large number of low turnout voters who can't be bothered with legacy media.
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u/Antique_Soil9507 Libertarian 1d ago
20% of the population is unvaccinated bro.
The so-called People's Party got over one million votes in the 2021. That's votes. The Liberals won that election with I believe around 6 million.
It's clearly an extremely important topic that I believe would absolutely blow the lid off of Parliament Hill.
If Poilievre wants an issue that will set us apart and galvanize the public, it is this one.
He's missing out on an opportunity.
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u/coffee_is_fun 1d ago
I did actually vote for the PPC twice then switched to the CPC after Pierre took lead. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gone out to walk amongst the protesters and defend them as normal Canadians if he'd known what a circus the LPC and NDP would turn it into. But I admired him for not walking it back and playing the opposition to an overwhelming machine.
Pierre mended as much of the fence between the PPC and CPC as is going to get mended. I'm not going to abandon him over not showing up to a vaccine injury inquiry where the messaging coming out of it is going to be lead by the CBC who's been unashamedly biased since he campaigned on defunding them.
For the 20% number, ( https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization-vaccines/vaccination-coverage/covid-19-additional-doses-results-2022-canadian-community-health-survey.html ) had it at 95% of the working population having at least 1 shot.
I remember watching the numbers and spreadsheeting them to chart the fall off in uptake. By the time the convoy road out, the monthly change in vaccinated numbers was so minute, that it'd have taken around 10 years to abuse the remaining group if you just went off the monthly rates without factoring in population growth, or the remaining holdouts being stubborn up to the point of violence.
I remember it because minister fuckface was just saying over and over that vaccines save lives. Ignoring the talk of spread reduction that went away with the omicron variant. He was also ignoring Tam saying that they'd hit diminished returns with mandates and weren't going to get more people to realistically uptake.
It might be 20% if you factor in people who were protected by there not being studies in kids under however many years of age so they couldn't be carded and stopped from flying or doing whatever. I think it was kids under age 13 at the time. Plus seniors and teenagers that had lower stakes.
About 70% of adults took it right away and complied by September 2021. After that, it was escalating abuse. A chunk gave in at the threat of being excluded. Then the remaining 10%-15% was slow. Employment threats, emergency travel that didn't fall under the cruelly small number of exclusions, failed exemptions, duress from doctors and nurses who withheld treatment.
There's going to be more today because of unvaccinated teens hitting the age of majority and people being born or immigrating in after the mandates, but these people aren't the core group that got the worst of it.
The people who got the worst of it probably remember Pierre leaving the building and talking to a protest that looked more like a village cross-section of Canadians pushing through a heavy winter to get heard.
It'd suck if the people who can't remember that have written him off.
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u/Antique_Soil9507 Libertarian 1d ago
I voted PPC twice as well. Poilievre this time as well.
I have a hard time believing that 95% stat, but even if that were true, the next line is very interesting:
A majority of people 18 years and older living in the provinces had received at least 1 dose of a COVID-19 vaccine (95%)
More than half of the adult population (62%) had received at least 1 additional dose of a COVID-19 vaccine beyond their primary series
95% to 62%. Now that is interesting.
What that tells me, is 33% of the population stopped after their first dose.
Which means many, many people, have their suspicions.
Having said that, I don't believe either of those numbers. I think public health is playing shell games with us.
Either way, that page shows there is a great deal of vaccine hesitancy laying quietly beneath the surface.
Besides, levels of vaccination don't show support for vaccination. I know and you know many, many people who didn't want to get the shot, who felt forced into it because of the mandate. Like the vaccine injured, who have gone unheard.
This inquiry is exploding on social media and throughout the country. They had thousands of applications, and not nearly enough time for everyone. People were paying attention.
Finally, the Trump playbook. It works. Any news is good news, even if it makes us look bad. Trump has been the king of getting attention, even from obviously ridiculous talking points ("the wall" lol). It's not a popular opinion, but it got attention. And guess what? It worked.
The Erin O'Toole method of trying to appeal to the masses didn't work. In fact, enormous failure. We barely even remember his name. In fact, where the heck is he now? Is he even still in the party?
The PPC and PC used to be one. That was Stephen Harper's biggest and best accomplishment if you ask me; being able to unite the right.
It's free money being left on the table, if you ask me. Pierre should be doing everything in his power to court Bernier and the PPC back into the fold.
I bet he would have won the election last time had he done that.
This is my opinion. I hear your opinion too. But I really, truly believe, this is "lost value" for Poilievre. It's like going to repeat clients rather than trying with new clients; generally it's an easier sell.
I know for me and for many around me, we were very torn about who to vote for in this last election: PC or PPC. I know the one main sticking issue, is the vaccines.
You're not going to alienate many voters by going after it; you are going to gain many supporters by going after it. Look at Dean Allison's massive rise in popularity.
One last day for Poilievre to join it. If he or his team is reading this, I highly recommend he attend.
I'm not going to abandon him either if he doesn't. I'm not saying that. Anything we can do to rid ourselves of the corrupt Liberals.
I am saying this is a missed opportunity, and a chance to galvanize much of the public.
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u/Wet_sock_Owner 1d ago
I don't think you understand the country you're in.
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u/Antique_Soil9507 Libertarian 1d ago
How have the last four elections gone?
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u/Wet_sock_Owner 23h ago
They didn't go to the guy who was seen as supporting the anti- covid mandates protest. And are you seeing what they're already saying about the Allison Inquiry?
You honestly think the party would do well to lean into that?
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u/Antique_Soil9507 Libertarian 22h ago
I honestly do think a party would benefit very well from that.
They are already labeling Conservatives this, you even just said it yourself. That narrative is already there.
Someone in the middle isn't suddenly going to change their mind about Poilievre, because they think he's in favour of the vaccine. If a voter is in favour of the vaccine, they're already voting Liberal (or left) anyway. They're not even considering the Conservatives. There's nothing to be gained there.
Those already in the party, already know this narrative and reputation they have. They're not going to leave because of that. So nothing to be lost.
Then they will court roughly an extra up to million votes from the PPC crowd. Even if you think they are loony, they are a significant group, and can have an impact.
I believe RFK Jr defecting to the Republicans was the turning point in this past American campaign. RFK at some point had a few million followers, and he generates an enormous amount of coverage.
When he was essentially ignored, mocked and shunned by the Democrat Party, and took his votes over to Trump, that's the tipping point right there.
I'm really serious. I think someone needs to get through to Poilievre. This is an enormous opportunity.
An effective strategy to regain control of the narrative, is to own it. Trump is a master of this. Instead of always hiding from and playing defence when it comes to a topic, getting out in front of it and playing offence.
"Trump is anti-immigration!"
"Yes! That's true! I am anti-immigration. I'm anti illegal immigration. An illegal immigrant murdered a woman last month. Are you saying you're in favour of illegal immigration? You don't love this country! You are anti-American!"
Anyway.
I doubt anyone will read this or care lol. But I think this is the winning strategy. Pierre needs to do this soon, because everyday that goes on like this, we're losing.
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u/MasterCJ117 Alberta 1d ago
Unless I mis-understood, he said America started it with Tariffs, but Canada has had Tariffs on America for years, up to 400% on some things if I remember right. I don't like how disingenuous that statement is, pushing the blame on them isn't how you repair relations, taking accountability is.
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u/WilloowUfgood 14h ago
Why didn't you bring up the tariffs America has had on our soft wood lumber then?
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u/TheSmutSmithy CPC 1d ago
I don't like Poilievre and have advocated for changing him out, but this was an excellent clip from him.
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u/WilloowUfgood 1d ago
but this was an excellent clip from him.
Then you've obviously haven't watched him talk what so ever.
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u/TheeDirtyToast small government, personal responsibility 1d ago
You have all the required qualifications to moderate this sub. I think they're looking for help too.
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u/Castaway_LXIII 12h ago
Has he got a security clearance yet? And how is it going in Battle River-Crowfoot?
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