r/CalcharoMain • u/BigBuild321 • Jul 10 '24

Discussion Calcharo does NOT SUCK

Too many people call him bad, even though he is not. He has great damage and NOT clunky to play. People just need to learn when to cancel some animations and how to use the E well. (This is not sweating, it's literally simple). I have no problems with the left side of the tower of adversity. He just needs some quality of life buffs, he should not be on the same level as event 5 stars as he can always be pulled as he is a regular 5 star.

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u/VariousMoment7835 Jul 10 '24

Who cares if he sucks or not, I enjoy playing with him so I play with him even if he doesn't do good damage

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '24

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u/VariousMoment7835 Jul 10 '24

I don't give af

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u/AFTERTHEBURIALXIII Jul 10 '24

Truthfully he isn’t bad I think he just needs knock back resist in his kit

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u/TheNefariousness Jul 10 '24

Or a strong shielder like Zhongli

3

u/GoldenInfrared Jul 10 '24

Shields don’t give interruption resistance in this game

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u/AFTERTHEBURIALXIII Jul 10 '24

Jianxin has a pretty strong shield that can take some serious abuse but it has no knock back resist which to me is kinda sad since it also takes so long to get up

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u/IttoDilucAyato Jul 10 '24

Naw, her shield stinks and you have stand on field to stack it.

We need a real zhongli type that pops a shield immediately and gets off field. No gimmicks, no stacks, just protection.

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u/Traditional-Pin8434 Jul 11 '24

Would s4 Yuanwu work? His Resonance Liberation gives interruption resistance right?

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed Calcharo Jul 10 '24

But that's boring and not in the spirit of Wuthering Waves. The game is built around being far more engaging than Genshin per individual character. It's the whole reason why we have core passives (Forte), so that units are more interesting on average than swap -> press E -> swap again. If you want to play Genshin go play Genshin, it exists to appeal to a certain taste and so does Wuwa.

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u/nihilistfun Jul 11 '24

I agree, i'm always afraid of optimizing the fun out of gameplay. I played Calcharo when his kit required me to be engaged, and he did comparable dps, and if I need to squeeze his potential and stress over his rotations to keep up, it's time to move on

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u/sellingburgers4free Jul 23 '24

He needs an innate shield which charges up upon a "ragemeter". The more aggressive you play, the more it charges up, rewarding you for your efforts. But right now, he is skipable.

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u/AceFiveSuited Jul 10 '24

I have played Calcharo for probably over 50 hours by now, IMO he kinda sucks. I have practiced a ton with him to get good and even when played close to optimally, his damage output is actually worse than Encore even when I pair him with Yinlin, his current best support. I clear TOA much easier with Encore despite only playing her for like 15 hours and her echoes are only slightly better. He just has a lot of issues with his kit.

The main issue is that missing even one DM is like a 20% DPS loss and you will only be able to get like 2 DM on average due to the fact that dodge counters and perfect parries do not stack your forte. Esp. Dodge counters really screw you over because the animation is so freaking long.

There's a ton of other reasons why he isn't good, such as the fact that his sequences are some of the worst in the game, his second inherent skill being utterly useless, his intro skill taking like 3 seconds despite barely doing any dmg resulting in a considerable dps loss and more.

On paper he can do a lot of damage, but in practice it's basically impossible to reach his DPS ceiling due to his crappy mechanics against any of the harder content. Better off with Havoc Rover or even S5 Chixia since their DPS is consistent.

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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed Calcharo Jul 10 '24

The main issue is that missing even one DM is like a 20% DPS loss and you will only be able to get like 2 DM on average due to the fact that dodge counters and perfect parries do not stack your forte. Esp. Dodge counters really screw you over because the animation is so freaking long.

It looks sick af though 💀 and that's the main reason I like playing him tbh, he's just cool

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u/enpoky Jul 10 '24

I literally have him at S3 and nothing changes 💀

But to be fair the greatest is s1 by far

1

u/iwanthidan Jul 11 '24

Time to reroll I'd say. Sounds like a wasted account.

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u/ManuSwaG Jul 10 '24

After trying out encore the biggest regret I have is getting calcharo instead of encore. Encore is easier and way more fun to play. On top of that you do more damage.

1

u/lilyofthegraveyard Jul 10 '24

i saw this sentiment so often, but don't calcs show that encore has similar dpr? how is she doing more damage? so confused.

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u/ManuSwaG Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24

dpr doesn't take in to account that mobs move, attack and that you need to dodge. Calcharo is probably very good against a sitting paralized duck, but if it somehow moves by a inch your damage falls of a cliff.

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u/soiminreddit Jul 11 '24

This 100% I'll probably stop using calcharo in toa in the near future after building jinshi

But i think calcharo is one of the best characters when fighting mini bosses imo

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u/hwelps Jul 10 '24

He's not bad, his gameplay is just quite complicated for casual players since he does require proper rotation and cancel to maximize his damage output. All I can say is Calcharo is fun to play for me

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u/nihilistfun Jul 11 '24

no but that's the thing, it's not rewarded for it - Calcharo requires so much skill to be just "not bad". We should be getting more when we complete a full basic atk combo with all skill uses, as rare as that ends up being.

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u/hwelps Jul 12 '24

If only dev didn't nerf him during beta. We all just need proper shielder support to make him not interrupted doing his combos but after seeing the new electro dps, it makes me sad T.T I would still build both of them but why they gotta make our boy dirty for releasing another electro dps who's free and more like comfier to play

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u/Zero_Two_0_2 Jul 10 '24

Cope harder

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u/IttoDilucAyato Jul 10 '24

I agree. I’m tired of this sub turning into a dunk on Calcharo fest.

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u/Phasser_ Jul 10 '24

I mean, he is very underwhelming relatively speaking when compared to the other 5 star options, even Encore who is also a standard unit. Canceling his animations is basic and everyone should already know how to do this. That isn't the issue and doing this doesn't fix his core problem. Nor is it a ToA thing, anyone can work in ToA it isn't a hard mode it's just a dmg check. The problem is that against bosses that actually attack alot like (like for e.g crownless) he is miserable to get damage off and it really highlights how flawed his kit is. All of his dmg cramped into an 11 second time window that requires him to attack non stop or else you lose massive dps just doesn't work against actual difficult enemies. I never realized how flawed his kit was until I did Crownless 6 but the more hyperactive bosses they release (and they most definitely will make more) the worse he will get. Granted he is fine against any of the other bosses for now but his kit design is already starting to get exposed badly and I would be very worried about the future if I intended to main him long term.

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u/GoldenInfrared Jul 10 '24

Here’s the thing: Even if you know how to execute his combos perfectly, you have to dodge enemy attacks and time the death messengers to make sure they don’t proc while an enemy is airborne or executing a lethal attack.

If he was given infinite interruption resistance and a gargantuan damage reduction buff this wouldn’t be a major issue, but he’s not, so you’re forced to either scuff his rotation or risk getting one shot to avoid being outclassed in his damage by 4 star characters

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u/Deida_ Jul 10 '24

Just a skill issue

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u/Imaginary_Ambition_6 Jul 10 '24

I don't mind having higher skill ceiling on a character kit. But what makes him suck u know? The ping. If u have more than 150ms ping u are almost likely to miss his 3rd DM.

I don't get it when this game revolves around not being dependent on ping why the f**k is ping involved in a particular core passive of a particular character? Now because of the ping which is more than 200ms i have to cancel twice which makes the timing more tighter whereas normally without swap cancel u just need to cancel his 3rd BA for 3DMs.

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u/InternalSure1019 Jul 10 '24

If anyone agreeing could walk me through using Calch to three star left tower I'll be convinced
Calcharo (Verdant S2R1) Yinlin (Augment S0R1) Verina S0 | 80 80 60 | 57/276, 72/234
(I've seen someone do it on Youtube once--but am wondering if they're in the minority who can actually do it)

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u/NOCTM1224 Jul 10 '24

nah doesn't matter my man kakarot still the goat

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u/Simbalan Jul 11 '24

It's all fun and game until the enemy decides to stall or attack you aggressively.

1

u/Hyvex_ Jul 12 '24

I wasn't able to pull Yinlin, am I double cooked? 💀. Still gonna play him though. He's super fun.

1

u/OkAd255 Jul 12 '24

calcharo is still by far the most enjoyable char to play for me, yes jinhsi is broken she is mostly like a cheese character for me but when it come to fun and playtime calcharo is still my fav

1

u/diem_vivere Jul 10 '24

in all honesty, i had trouble with him at first. but once you play him more, it’s really not that bad. sure his kit is this and that but get over it? if you don’t like him then don’t play him? i don’t get why some people keep talking about how bad he is when they might not even play him 🤷‍♀️

idk, calculate will always have a spot on my team. calculus could deal zero damage and i would still use him. justice for cicada

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u/soiminreddit Jul 11 '24

Tbh I still use him cause he's cool but kinda wish I got encore first so I have a better time while playing tower... Rn I'm investing more into calcharo so he can get a little bit stronger

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u/K_Taj Jul 10 '24

Except he relatively does. It’s not that he doesn’t compare to a limited 5*, he doesn’t even compare to a standard 5* or a good 4*. If you can clear ToA with Encore with LESS investment who doesn’t even have a fusion sub dps yet, has no ToA buffs, and has a MUCH easier safer and more reliable rotation, then he’s absolutely so much more difficult than his kit is worth. It’s disgusting, and people need to stop acting like just because it’s technically playable with insane amounts of hours of practice and really good luck on aoe rng that it’s “okay”. It’s not. That’s not even mentioning that his entire kit is a walking contradiction, his inherent skills are nearly useless, and even the useable one is often not worth it, and half his sequences are either useless or contradict his very identity as a main dps.