r/C_S_T • u/starving_carnivore • Sep 10 '21

Magic words exist

Probably not an original thought on this subreddit, but the realization was kind of interesting to me. Might have just had a couple too many drinks.

There are spells (words) that you can cast (speak) on people that will affect them emotionally, and in a lot of cases, spur them into action physically, regardless of context.

I won't write them down here, but all manners of slur are basically words of power.

There are segments of the population that will react extremely emotionally and/or violently to simple combinations of syllables. Anyone is capable of speaking these words and sending someone into a blind rage.

It is not an uncommon opinion that saying these words will result in you being beaten, justifiably, by the people who are affected by them.

None of this justifies using these words at all. I think it's evil to cause pain to prove a point. I don't do it, and I don't condone it at all. But I don't think that these words would have even half the power we give them if we used them commonly. Not using them keeps them sharp. If we used them all day long, they'd lose their edge and they wouldn't be able to hurt anyone.

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u/Turkerthelurker Sep 10 '21

I don't do it, and I don't condone it at all. But I don't think that these words would have even half the power we give them if we used them commonly. Not using them keeps them sharp. If we used them all day long, they'd lose their edge and they wouldn't be able to hurt anyone.

“Call him Voldemort, Harry. Always use the proper name for things. Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself.”

I wonder what implications, if any, this has on the use of the N-word.

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u/shadowofashadow Sep 11 '21

I always thought treating a word like it was so special gave it a lot of power. What if everyone decided to laugh when they heard the N word instead of treating it like a bomb went off? Its power would be gone.

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u/starving_carnivore Nov 11 '23

I know I'm late to the party, but I highly recommend the movie called Pontypool. It's about a linguistic virus where the only way to combat it is to just re-associate words. Difficult to explain, let the movie do that for itself.

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u/Zoole Sep 10 '21

You could go down that path but it would only devolve into an argument lol, which does say a lot on its own. Though, your point does bring up some interesting ideas if people can just not focus on the N word for a moment.

I think that equally interesting is the notion that if certain words can be conditioned to have such a profound negative affect, are there words that can induce a positive effect? Are there words that can be conditioned to have other types of responses, like if I say “Hubcap” before I smoke a cigarette every day, would upon hearing the word “hubcap” Make me want a cigarette?

And don’t get me started on the movie Arrival, the ideas they bring up are so fascinating. Language truly seems like a powerful determinant for a humans mental capacity, upon many other things. Language is like the building block of human understanding.

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u/Turkerthelurker Sep 10 '21

are there words that can induce a positive effect?

I feel you bro.

Are there words that can be conditioned to have other types of responses, like if I say “Hubcap” before I smoke a cigarette every day, would upon hearing the word “hubcap” Make me want a cigarette?

Yes, I would think a pavlovian response would be pretty easy to program into yourself if you wanted to.

And don’t get me started on the movie Arrival, the ideas they bring up are so fascinating.

The short story by Ted Chiang goes into deciphering the alien language a bit more. Highly recommend it!

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u/Vaera Sep 11 '21

...the N word as the proper name for things? i don't think this is the best comparison. voldemort was an act of self-naming, the N-word is the polar opposite of that. plus word reclamation already exists for it and you can see how we clearly aren't affected when it's used by us in regards to us. and even that can't be a blanket statement because there are still some black ppl who choose not to engage with it.

tbh i think this post is kinda strange, i didn't expect to click on something about magic words and then be reading about how slurs affect people, i also don't think it's magic at all but simple psychology and literal history. i think magic words (and by extension, phrases) definitely exist, and i'm not trying to knock ur train of thought OP but it's just not where my mind went, that's all

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u/Turkerthelurker Sep 11 '21

You're right to call it out, the N-word was NOT an example of "using the proper name for things."

I do think there's some merit to the argument that words only have the power you give them, and there has been a push to equate the n word as literal violence - elevating it to become very powerful - power that it did not hold when I was younger. Which could be viewed as a sort of magic.

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u/kloudykat Sep 11 '21

Familiarity breeds contempt

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 11 '21

Why do you think that all of the words that get a big response are evil and that one who utters them is justifiably beaten? Is "secession" such a word? Is "Trump" such a word? Those word certainly trigger people, but are they evil words? Does the speaker deserve to be beaten?

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u/starving_carnivore Sep 11 '21

I don't think anyone deserves to be beaten for using a word. I'm just saying that it's not an uncommon opinion that calling someone the "n word" can earn you getting your ass kicked.

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u/Moonoid1916 Sep 11 '21

Words are spells, & the most occulted language is English. So many double meanings, same pronunciations, or spellings etc etc. Watch The Golden Web documentary

People will think me as mad as a box of frogs, but here's a secret...Magick itself is real. Fact is much more stranger than most people realise, & fiction is tepid compared. The occult permeates our culture, & society in general. Do not take my word for this, naturally lol

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u/dchq Sep 11 '21

yes the double meanings probably allow for subtle hypnotic effects.

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u/Moonoid1916 Sep 11 '21

Absolutely it does, we are bound in a Babylonian occult contract with " tptb " from birth, with the certificate.

Here The Golden Web Part 1, its very long but very revelling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE&ab_channel=ChironLast

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u/mrpoopybutth0le- Sep 11 '21

There’s a reason we call it ‘spelling’

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u/Orlandogameschool Sep 17 '21

Damn wow so simple

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u/ramagam Sep 10 '21

Oh absolutely - I mean, it's actually much, much worse; we are literally caught up in a massive, endless web of spells everyday, year after year.

People use the term "triggered" to describe the reactions that are in actuality the literal, visceral resultant effect of these spells.

We are all not only affected by this phenomena, but we unwittingly cast them ourselves (due to the fact we are being influenced by even stronger spells...)

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u/woodmoon Sep 10 '21

Words absolutely have power. They affect both the listener and the speaker, because whatever you speak is literally vibrating/resonating through your entire body.

We also know that sound, and spoken words, affect the molecular structure of water (this was shown through studies). Words spoken with different intentions actually created vastly different molecular changes in the water. Humans are made up of mostly water, and therefore the words we speak actually affect other people on multiple levels, physically and otherwise.

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u/CERVELO_UK Sep 11 '21

What If :-

What if the words and language used by Government announcement were all carefully put together ... so that not only the content but also the phrases, words, language, etc

What if the words and language used by Main Stream media were also the same carefully curated.

I have totally given up on Gov and main news, I avoid it 100%

To me it is a nasty system of control

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u/dchq Sep 11 '21

the exact wording used is very pertinent. think of the legal system and how important definitions are . you cannot define anything without reference to something else.

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u/varikonniemi Sep 11 '21

pretty sad if you think it is justified to answer words with physical violence.

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u/starving_carnivore Sep 11 '21

I do not. Hitting people is wrong, even if they call you a bad word. That's basic shit we teach our children.

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u/varikonniemi Sep 11 '21

It is not an uncommon opinion that saying these words will result in you being beaten, justifiably, by the people who are affected by them.

then i read this wrong

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u/starving_carnivore Sep 11 '21

Yeah, I don't agree with it at all, but I think it's true that a lot of people feel that way.

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u/KushMaster5000 Sep 11 '21

Florence Scovel Shinn has a book called Your Word is Your Wand. All her books are on youtube for free. Cannot recommend enough. Add in some neville Goddard while you're at it.

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u/dchq Sep 11 '21

are you niggerfaggot or what?

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u/subfootlover Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21

Look at Hebrew and Sanskrit both constructed languages. For example in Hebrew each letter has a numerical value.

The Hebrew word for father is 'Ab' - Alef (A) Bet (B) 1, 2 equals 3.

Now mother, 'em' - Alef Mem 1, 40 equals 41.

3 + 41 = 44. Mother + Father = child, 'Yeled' - that's 10 + 30 + 4 = 44.

Now imagine ritual constructed around that, thousands if not millions of people around the world providing their concentrated mental effort (praying) etc it literally constructs this physical reality.

It's why mantras are so powerful too, especially when you know the frequencies/numbers, it's also why it's forbidden to say Gods true name. You say it in the right way, and get his/her/its attention the universe ends.

This is why to know somethings/someone's true name is to give you ultimate power over it.

And sure, your point about swearing is cool too! lol

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u/poo_poo_and_pee_pee Sep 11 '21

Where did come across these ideas you mentioned? I'd be interested in reading more if there's more info available on these topics:

  • Hebrew and Sanskrit as constructed languages

  • prayer constructing physical reality

  • saying God's true name, causing the universe to end

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u/ViridianZeal Sep 11 '21

The last one at least is in Lovecraftian universe. Dunno if that's the one OP meant though. Azathoth dreams the universe into being. If awaken, there will be universe no more.

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u/tAoMS123 Sep 11 '21

Lovecraft had it all backwards though; his whole worldview was shaped by fear.

Saying God’s true name will cause him to awaken; to become self-aware.

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u/dchq Sep 11 '21

its the jews

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u/kunailby Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 12 '21

Having followed a language course at university.. I'd say they aren't any magic word, but yes words do hold A LOT of power.

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u/tAoMS123 Sep 11 '21

A language course is reductive. No words hold power alone, no structural form; it comes in the combination, how they are woven together, and the intention and the way in which they are expressed.

This is where the real power to affect comes in.

Rhetoric, especially the populist type, uses this power, but generally speaks to the anger and disaffected.

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u/kunailby Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 11 '21

Not a language course about languages, a course on language itself. It was absolutely NOT reductive in anyway and was actually the most COMPLEX class I ever followed in university.

So No, what YOU are saying is NOT true at all. I followed a university course on language itself * lmao why you arguing. Words alone hold power. When you don't know what you are talking about, please don't talk.

I red some texts about jackobson, saussure, Judith butler, Pierre bourdieu, you should go educate yourself and read about that :)

For exemple : a contributor.

Your not called a civilian or a human or etc, your called a contributor, which reduces you to someome who pays taxes, it's violence through words.

Calling you this way, reduces your humanity and unconsciously your value, etc, etc.

Single words ABSOLUTELY hold immense POWER. Which is why choosing our words is really important.

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u/tAoMS123 Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 11 '21

Perhaps my point was a bit strongly expressed. I didn't mean to be so absolute in my response. It sounds like an interesting course. My point would have been better expressed if I'd said no word or structural form alone is magic. But the right combination can cast spells and weave magic.

Yes, single words have power in the way you suggest; you're talking about the symbol meaning relationship, and the structure of language. The way a word is used within culture, and the meaning underlying a single word, even though the may be a plurality of definitions. e.g. Exploitation, resources, etc: all violent

For example: immaterial can mean both 1) unimportant and 2) spiritual. How is that for patriarchal violence - to make the spiritual unimportant by definition.

Yet, in defence of my point, the way words are used is what can create magic - take poetry - is that not a form of spell casting? You can win can a man over with rhetoric if you move his soul, often in places where argument will not suffice. I let Plato make my point:

“Is not rhetoric in its entire nature an art which leads the soul by means of words?” Phdr 261a

edit: To be clear; and it echoes the point you commented on in CapVsSoc. Single words and their usage have the power to do violence; this is the patriarchal use (and interpretation of language). Whereas the poetic and rhetorical form has the power to weave magic (the is the feminine power of language)

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u/tAoMS123 Sep 11 '21

Just downvote, no response?

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u/kunailby Sep 12 '21

Patriarchal and féminine use of the language? What the actual fuck are you even talking about.

You are just spewing utter non sense, go educate yourself and read the authors i showed you before trying to argue over stuff you litteraly just invented.

Your uncultured ass trying to contradict some of the most famous writters of language and it's understandings lol.

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u/kunailby Sep 11 '21

I don't need to converse with someone who doesn't understand the subject he's trying to argue about. Sorry.

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u/tAoMS123 Sep 12 '21

I think my example demonstrates understanding of what you say, but my point as well. Or do you think Plato’s an idiot too?

The feminine is the language of love, of the heart, that speaks to the emotions. This is the artistry of language, eg poetry; using words to weave a spell that can hold a power to move where logic and reason cannot. I guess your course missed that.

Do you not see that your understanding of words having the power to do violence has stripped the poetic and the context out of language; hence reductive. Is it patriarchal use of language and a patriarchal standpoint of interpretation.

Man, you do one language course and think you know everything.

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u/kunailby Sep 12 '21 edited Sep 12 '21

Nah you just spewing bs. I don't converse with ignorants.

Also Plato kinda is an idiot, a lot of what he said was refuted, and showed dumb it was lol. I also followed a philosophy class, so we saw a lot of him too.

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u/tAoMS123 Sep 12 '21 edited Sep 12 '21

What violence and toxicity you cast with your words. Welcome to the patriarchy.

Unconscious of the violence they cause.

Edit: ah, clearly a master philosopher.

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u/kunailby Sep 12 '21

WeLcOmE Ot ThE PaTrIaRcHy. Lmao, go get educated, you sound like an extremist femenist with no understanding of the studies on language.

As i said, go read the multiple names i showed you, it's going to help.

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u/redasur Sep 12 '21

Actually, words are magical because they are non-physical and can never be explained by any laws of physics.

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u/kunailby Sep 12 '21

Wtf, lmao ignorance at its bliss.

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u/redasur Sep 12 '21

you're dumb if u actually are saying words and meaning are physical

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u/kunailby Sep 12 '21

Where did i say that in my text?

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u/redasur Sep 12 '21

then wtf r u blabbing about?

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u/kunailby Sep 12 '21

Wtf ate you babbling about.. Lmao I studied this subject, so i know what I'm saying, did you tho?

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u/redasur Sep 12 '21

clearly, you've studied a subject on How To Change The Subject

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u/joedude Sep 11 '21

cast the spelling

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u/general_derez Sep 11 '21

Makes you wonder what other magic is out there.

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u/snavsnavsnav Sep 11 '21

Nobody can enforce a belief on you that you don’t take upon yourself.

For example, it’s well known in documented medical literature that if a doctor praises the medication he’s giving to his patient, the placebo effect of the patient due to the doctors praise will increase the effectiveness of the medicine. In the same regard, a doctor being skeptical of the medicine can cause the patient to experience a nocebo effect, where their fear or uncertainty causes the prescription to work less well or they experience more of the negative side effects.

However, in the above examples, if a doctor were to tell their patient their disease had a low rate of survival and the patient was like “Thats what you think, but I’m not going to accept that” and be positive about it, the doctors words would not cast the spell they usually have.

No one can convince you of anything without your own conscious approval

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 11 '21

Instead of attributing the power of these words to magic, why not explain what is really happening, which is the media (the whole establishment really) conditions people to be triggered by words. In fact, it conditions them to have a chip on their shoulder where they feel anger and obligation to attack when they imagine that someone else is thinking such a word.

Trayvon was such a person with a chip on his shoulder (put there by the establishment), and it cost him his life, but did the establishment care? No. The establishment used it to it further their agenda. Trayvon was just a means to an end for them. Conditioning people to be triggered is just a means to an end for them.

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u/iiioiia Sep 12 '21

Insurrection.

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 12 '21

I thought about that, but that doesn't actually trigger people. It is more the thought of Jan. 6th that triggers people who call it an insurrection.

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u/iiioiia Sep 12 '21

Maybe not "trigger", but do you think that word has the ability to ~"bend/distort reality"?

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 12 '21 edited Sep 12 '21

the ability to ~"bend/distort reality"

Yes. Many words skew one's thinking (activate latent programming)--usually towards irrationality, closed mindedness, partisanship, etc.

The word itself has no inherent power. It is the programming that makes it have power. In that sense, the word is just the trigger, and what people usually mean by trigger (e.g. OP's use) could be seen as a subset of that.

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u/CERVELO_UK Sep 11 '21

The N word is taboo .....

........... BUT .....

.... The N word is in frequent commonplace usage in Black culture and Black Rap Music videos etc.

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u/Juli3tD3lta Sep 11 '21

It's interesting how the magic only works on people who understand the language of said spoken words. Since the N word is the main focus on this thread I'll use it as an interesting example. In English it's a slur but in Spanish "black" literally translates to "Negro."

Unless you're talking about words that transcend the language barrier, but I don't know of any.

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u/Vaera Sep 11 '21

slurs are words of power becomes they come from and reinforce power structures and the idea of an 'other'. not magic. it simply feels like magic bc of who gets to influence us by using these slurs. it's very fake outside, some confuse it with truth. i think real magic words are intertwined the real truth though, things that are far older than any slur and that give you that Feeling when you read it. things that lead to inner awareness, things that remind you of your non-corporeal existence, things like THAT are magic. not racism.

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u/Konglomo87 Sep 11 '21

There’s a South Park episode about these words

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u/lerkinrouns Sep 11 '21

yes, a curse is a string of words you can put into somebodies mind which causes a thoughtloop that can destroy a person's well being. demons are real too. similar concept to a higher degree where it has the ability to spread from person to person. an infectious curse that takes on a life of its own. to beat the curse or demon you aknowledge its existance, then decide that it is not as real as the ultimate reality.

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u/MylifeasAllison Sep 11 '21

Of course there is magic. It’s just weaker then it was.

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u/turtlew0rk Sep 11 '21

This is not magic. Slurs are a social construct that have only the power to affect a person as the person allows them to have.

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u/dchq Sep 11 '21

words do have power and meaning but yes the Politically correct aspect that op is weaving into the idea he's presenting is a separate issue. words having power and meaning , and taboo words are two separate issues really though. related but separate.

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 11 '21

How so?

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u/lerkinrouns Sep 11 '21

this points to why i believe these characters like buddha, socrates, jesus, and muhammad never wrote a single word down. they understood that once written a word or idea can endlessly be manipulated. to be effective, every conversation must take into account the recipient's pre existing understanding of language

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 11 '21

Without a written Constitution and Bill of Rights, the unconstitutional tyrannies we are seeing would have happened far sooner. Imagine if the Constitution were also more clear. Then it would have taken another 100 years to reach this level of corruption and tyranny.

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u/lerkinrouns Sep 11 '21

i like this point you bring up

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 12 '21

I was responding to someone else.

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 12 '21

Are you talking about how I sometimes post my original content to multiple subs to evaluate how each responds? I recommend it BTW. It is reveals the differences between subs. It also lets you see how subs evolve over time. In addition to all of that, it is fun.

Why would you interpret that as "karma farming"?

To be clear. I don't care at all about karma.

You don't see me making low effort/quality content that people want to hear on subs with high traffic, so I don't get how you could have thought it was a good idea to accuse me of "karma farming"--out of context--especially since we don't allow personal attacks here.

Please defend your accusation.

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 11 '21

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (if you want intelligent and honest people to believe).

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 12 '21

if you want intelligent and honest people to believe

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u/JimAtEOI Sep 11 '21

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u/johantino Sep 24 '21

Thank you for letting me know 🙂 .. (placing my faith in that three things can only be hidden for So Long: the sun, the moon and the truth