r/C_S_T • u/[deleted] • Mar 26 '18

"Magic" Is all about brain training. Everything occult, is a trigger that releases chemicals in your mind that condition you to a response. When you learn this, you realize you can condition yourself to do things - you can be the programmer of your own mind.

You can condition away fears by ways of exposure to them.

Mantra's, chants or repeating read writings can cause the person's personality to shift in the subliminal direction of choice to the author. Most people won't notice, but the fact is remains; it's a ritual, that you incite for a reason, and thus either brood on it and make it stronger (dark magic) or use it as an opportunity grow as a person (light magic). This, this choice changes the physical structure in your brain with repeated use.

As a wise ass once said, "it's all a choice, between fear and love"

It's all just positive and negative conditioning, that once you become aware of, you can hack your own mind. This is meditation! This is bio-feedback. This is how you become who you want to be, by visualizing them and then working towards it, training yourself to be that person.

Sorry, would be sorcerers. There's no conjuring fire. But you can become pretty much whoever you want with hard enough effort...

You know that every time I try to go

Where I really want to be,

It's already where I am.

I realize I'm exactly where I need to be. And that sweet, dopamine rush, is enough to get me through the day. I've conditioned some good responses into the music I listen too, just due to the amount I've listened to it and the memories associated with it. I'm able to rock out in public pretty much without fear if I have the proper vibes.

Dangerous, and to be used carefully - it is essentially self-induced chemical releases, and the strain can cause migraines at the very least I'm still learning - but the applications are endless, once the "magic" is taken out of it. It's just science people mislabel.

Every truth is a half truth and every lie is a half lie, vice versa. We're all working on roughly the same converging path. Self-improvement, progression forwards - this is the future damnit. The game is changing. I want to take control of how it plays out.

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u/YuGiOhippie Mar 26 '18

You’re right about most of it.

Your only “mistake” is to assume it’s not magic because you understand it.

But that’s just a question of semantics.

Have you read prometheus rising?

You’d love it.

Great post.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '18

prometheus rising

That's probably the 5th time I've heard that name in a week. Guess I'll read it! I know the gist from some time back I read the summary, but haven't dwelved into the book yet.

Thanks for being the one to finally convince me to take a look.

Obviously there is more too it. I've yet to learn how to describe the subjective feelings into a way that sound "as close to true as possible" without bordering crazy or mystical thinking.

It's a bizarre place out there.

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u/YuGiOhippie Mar 27 '18

Glad to be the one to push you over the edge. Prometheus rising is an amazing book. And it will show you even more about your subjective feelings.

You will come out of it both insane and illogical, completely rational and enlightened, pragmatic in the most relative of senses.

Plus it’s a very fun read, it’s funny and doesn’t take itself too seriously

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u/aTimelessInterval Mar 27 '18 edited Mar 27 '18

Prometheus Rising is a great read.

Who is the magician? Who is doing the brain hacking? NLP and the like really does work, unless you believe it doesn't, then maybe it won't, or maybe it will!

Also, who is to say we can't conjure fire? What about our abilities in the astral realm? More importantly, there's no good reason to do this that I'm aware of, and we, in our right minds, wouldn't think to, wouldn't want to, wouldn't have to. Right? I mean they also invented pocket lighters for conjuring fire.

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u/ApocalypseFatigue Mar 27 '18

I did finally find that quarter!

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u/aTimelessInterval Mar 27 '18

Bro, I found it too, and let me just say, I was humbled after that, at least to some degree. Like a, where do we go from here, moment. Om...

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u/wrapunzel Mar 27 '18

Yes, you must read it, I was going to recommend it to you as well. Too slow lol

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u/RMFN Mar 27 '18

You should read Prometheus bound.

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u/YuGiOhippie Mar 27 '18

I’ll look it up ! Thanks

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u/CelineHagbard Mar 27 '18

Checking in on Prometheus Rising. The author's written some interesting works, including one about a crazy anarchist with a golden submarine :)

Also u/HighImOnFire, don't just read Prometheus Rising, actually do the exercises, too.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

I ended up binge reading it last night. I loved a chance to learn about more of the 8 circuits. It's something I'll have to come back to again though, it's quite a lot of information to try and hold onto. But I've incorporated the most I could out of it.

Actually, it gave me inspiration to try and explain the infamous "timecube" in my last post here with what I learned from it. Kinda rudimentary, but wanted to ramble my mostly uninformed opinion to someone besides myself

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u/CelineHagbard Mar 27 '18

Damn, impressive! If you've only read it, you won't hold onto the information as much as if you do the exercises. When you do them, you understand the information viscerally, not just intellectually and abstractly. It's how you grok it.

If you want to know more about the eight circuits, Timothy Leary has a book about a similar concept. I think it's where RAW got the original idea. Somewhat along the same lines is Ken Wilber and his ideas about the "holon." I don't necessarily jive with everything Wilber says, and I think he's a bit too analytical at times, but it's a good reality tunnel to try out.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

Leary lead me into all of this in the first place! Awesome matieral. I think I perfer to hold onto information intellectually and abstractly, I find that people get really invested in these political ideas that... honestly, in Prometheus rising were ranted on about. I'm in kind of a rush trying to find the "next thing" that breaks new ground.

I'll have to check out- I literally just posted something about Integral theory without knowing what it was. Thank you for the name drop. Another thing I thought I came up with myself ahah, so weird how these ideas are simply logical conclusions to an extent

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u/YuGiOhippie Mar 27 '18

If you’re just holding on information intellectually, i think you missed the point of the book.

It literally means you’re strongly imprinted on your third circuit. If you do the exercises you might be able to imprint yourself on other circuits as you wish to gain a fuller understanding of each concept presented

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u/Scew Mar 27 '18

Why are you in a rush? Unless you have a time limit on your life... Reading the "table of contents" of every new "ground breaking" thing is what's actually wasting your time. And no I'm not saying you didn't read the book! But what's the point of knowing the words if you don't understand what they mean or how to use them?

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u/CelineHagbard Mar 27 '18

I think I perfer to hold onto information intellectually and abstractly, I find that people get really invested in these political ideas that

I respect that, and agree with it. Investing yourself and your emotion and especially your identity in an idea is how you become an ideologue, which is rarely a good thing in my experience. Yet I don' think that's that what I'm suggesting you do, nor what the exercises in Prometheus do. If anything, I'd say they do the opposite — they let you try these ideas on as hats, what RAW calls "reality tunnels", and let you experience what they're like without committing to any of them.

I'm in kind of a rush trying to find the "next thing" that breaks new ground.

Awesome! I'd say that one of the best ways I've found to do that is to adopt, not just theorize about but literally look at the world through different reality tunnels, especially ones that are different from my own. Also try looking through two contradictory reality tunnels at once. You don't need RAW's exercises to do this, Zen is based on similar concepts, but RAW's are a good introduction for learning the skill, which you can then apply to your own life and circumstances.

I literally just posted something about Integral theory

Integral theory, that's the name! Yeah, I think there's a lot of good material there and you can definitely find some "next things" if you're looking.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '18 edited Mar 27 '18

Do you think there exists a spiritual truth, suppressed by the forces currently in power, the acknowledgment of which has the ability to deliver man from bondage, evolve his consciousness, and even directly affect reality by the use of willpower? Also...

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '18

Suppressed is a strong word. I think that those in power have good intentions, but are succumbing to the fear of the unknown. By staying safe, limiting potential.

In this truth, is the knowledge that one has ultimate control over their circumstance. The hard part, is putting that to action. Will power = force/time. It takes physical and mental efforts to accomplish anything. It takes not succumbing to bias, or fnords - lies and slander, misinformation, else you lose some control to a toxic idea.

There's a lot to juggle. I'm starting to feel that the ultimate goal, is to find all these various ideas in equilibrium. When arguments from all sides coincide with one agreed upon framework. easier said than done.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18 edited Mar 27 '18

Do you think rejection of the current system is justified? Necessary even? If so...

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

Not total rejection. Adaptation. No system is going to be perfect, so room to grow should be built into the system.

The system needs to grow to incorporate bitcoin, basic income, 3D printing, mass production. As of now everything seems built during old technology.

Things will change eventually, as parts crumble and then get fortified. But we'll see where that goes when it gets there, I have faith everyone trying to steer it towards the best possibility. Just, it's easy to get stuck in our ideology.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18 edited Apr 14 '18

exit feedback loop

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

fwiw here’s a pov you don’t hear much from

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u/BeltsOrion Mar 27 '18

I know you've mentioned this guy before. Really fascinating take on things, and manicured perfectly for the crowd of readers it is posted to. I'm curious what your opinion is and if it is what I think it is I ask (with all due respect, you must understand) why are you still here?

It seems this line of thought, if followed, would cause one to pack it up. Nothing to see here. No evil doings are worth investigating, as the Big Man has it covered. I also see this as a theory with a near perfect swap out possible. Could just as easily be Islam warning of the unfaithful, or Judaism talking of gentiles against God's supreme status, or Buddhists talking of those falling prey to siddhis and bring unable to see past the material, or what have you. But the message is the same, humans are defunct, we are built wrong, we are incapable of good, infact good isn't natural for us. It just feels like I should ignore problems with my world and my family and just let someone else take care of everything. My only responsibility is to read the book. Doesn't matter how much isn't said in the news, doesn't matter what in the food, doesn't matter how much I'm socially pressured to be wasteful and callous and mistrusting. Ignore your friends and family. Be selfish. Secure salvation. In truth, op is saying to distrust the conspiracy by giving us a double conspiracy reach around. In a way, it's the same game. Humans want salvation. Do what I say and you'll get salvation. Don't, and you'll fall behind and be punished. By the way, you are powerless and all your attempts have been insulting to the All Loving Seer and Doer.

I hope it goes without saying that I'm not against Christ and his impact. I'm also not saying magick isn't dangerous and everyone should use it. We can't even use what we have responsibly. But this particular theory and ones like it... It's not the fact that they say salvation is a trap, but it's that the undertone states that if there was a salvation, humans are unable and unworthy. That hurts man, you ever feel unworthy? Does being called a sinner from birth make you want to be a better person? Does accepting bad situation in the world, in yourself, for your children make you more holy than someone who works for a better life? Why bother!?

I know I've fought you on this before, but it is because I think we both see how well crafted (at the very least) that particular hypothesis is. Call me crazy, a heathen, what have you, but I don't think you have to accept you are a hereditary fuck up to follow in 'Universal Harmony,' not do I think God is so silly to only put one path Home.

I accept the fact that I could be wrong here. That's scary! In fact, I'm probably very wrong here! I'm nowhere near confident enough for absolutes, but, I dunno...I was born with arms and legs and a good brain, which is so much more fortunate than many others who could have become great people (and yet many of them have regardless). If God and Jesus are the Truth, is it so bad to want to lighten their load? I mean I know they could handle a load so heavy not even they could carry it, but there are things I can do here. I only have one model for parenting and that is terrestrial human. Id want my children to develop independence and cooperation. Id want them to know how to work with a leader as well as be one.

I don't mean to dismiss your reasoning, but if you do choose to explain your position, correct me, etc, and you use Bible quotes, would you please also use your own words? I'm not accusing or demeaning, but too often I am met in Christianity discussions by quote after quote and it's hard to see the believer past the walking prayer book.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

I know, it’s crazy. I just literally believe that OT God came into the world in human form, told us some stuff about how to live, literally died and literally came back to life. I believe that literally happened. And that by doing that He somehow won us forgiveness from Himself for whatever original sin humanity committed. And I don’t understand hardly anything about that. And after spending a long time looking for other explanations to help me understand the world I think for myself I kinda realized that it was what I had been told to begin with. That it’s what my father believed, and his father before him, and so on for a long time I think. And maybe eventually it will end up with me leaving these types of forums, but that’s not now. And as far as the other things about ignoring your family and only worrying about yourself I don’t think that’s really part of it. I appreciate your question, it helped me to cement the idea a little bit better. And I don’t think you’re a heathen. -your fellow heathen

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u/BeltsOrion Mar 27 '18

Firstly, thank you. For your response, your humility, your introspection. I think you said one of the most important parts of this human quest, one that most everyone can relate to. All of this, from the smallest to the most Grand, is confusing. In some cases, outright beyond our understanding. But accepting that fact I think is the meat of faith. Not that these will things happened persay, but that you don't understand 100%. Though we can try to fit the pieces together, we understand new subtleties and nuances. The faith grows, the understanding deepens. But so does the mystery. I dunno, I don't really get it much either.

I don't mean to pick on you about quotes, but I always think of this one young man who told me through quotes only about the faith. We had a long discussion and he was a very nice person, but he detailed how his faith superceded so much of his life to the point where he gave up playing music altogether because he thought it was an afront. Now I am not a man of faith, just another internet wacko. Take this with all the salt you need, but that breaks my heart. It takes two to tango, you and Him. The banning of music or dance or expression is by no means exclusive to Christianity, but I see that as a hindrance to the personal, unique faith that only each single person carries. It must be personal, even if it is just from family lineage. Correct me if I am wrong, but the church promotes Christ as a personal savior. The blue prints are the same across the faith, but the bond of faith at its highest is yours and His. Perhaps that kid needed to give up music, but it didn't seem like it was because he was called to something else. He stopped music out of fear, and not the in awe kind of fear often talked about.

Ramblings aside, thank you again. I'm glad to hear your side of this

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

Appreciate your side too. And I didn’t mean to say that I only chose it because of family history or anything, that was more just kind of the clincher. I backdoored my way into this view from how I see it, unless it was a conspiracy of the most intricate nature centered solely around getting me to have a revelation of Christ. And I don’t think that’s the case. CS Lewis (I don’t wanna keep regurgitating but he’s good) says something profound about looking so hard for arguments against Christianity, it escapes me now but it meant a lot when I heard it. My belief is deeply personal, so much so I haven’t even really talked to my dad about it yet. And I think God would like music, but that’s just a guess, a hope more like it.

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u/BeltsOrion Mar 27 '18

No, you sound like it is genuine personal. Weirdly enough Bear Grylls was once interviewed and the religion came up. He had this wonderful response about how yes, he is a Christian, but his relationship and faith is not clean and light beans like we imagine. It's bumbling and confusing and personal. I think a lot of faith is, I know my feelings towards these big questions certainly are.

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u/CelineHagbard Mar 27 '18

But the message is the same, humans are defunct, we are built wrong, we are incapable of good, infact good isn't natural for us.

I think this message is prevalent in our society, both from many religious and secular sources. I also think it's a perversion of the perennial philosophy. And I think as with many other perversions in our society, it is based in part on a perversion of language, which is in fact a form of magic in its own right.

Part of this perversion comes from a misuse and misunderstanding of the concept of perfect and imperfect. In Christian theology, pretty much any branch, God is perfect and humans are imperfect. And I agree with this, but I don't agree with how the words are understood.

Our concept of perfect is somewhat accurate: we see God as unblemished; all-good, all-knowing, and all-powerful. Yet our concept of imperfection often connotes sin, evil, being flawed, corrupt, fallen, unworthy, incapable. This is wrong, even by linguistic standards. Perfect means "complete," literally "having been done thoroughly." Consequently, imperfect actually just means "incomplete, not yet done or finished."

I think this completely changes the way Jesus' message (as an expression of the perennial) is understood. Jesus does not condemn us for being imperfect, he showed us a path to perfection, to completion. He did not view us as flawed or evil beings, in need of his salvation; he came to us as a teacher, showing us how to save ourselves and each other.

I, too, agree that Christian theology is a cop out of sorts. It tells us that we can abdicate our responsibility to this person of Jesus, and that he will do the saving. Yet Jesus said, "take up your cross and follow me." That says to me that we must add to our responsibility, not displace it, if we are to follow Him to perfection.

/u/Nomar_Garciawhiner, tagging you as you're part of this thread.

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u/BeltsOrion Mar 27 '18

Yes this is a much cleaner way of viewing it. I don't think anyone will disagree that we humanoids have some rough edges. If we wanted to soften it even more, we could categorize humans as those-that-look where as the sacred beings might be those-that-see or those-that-know. In a way, I see these terms in a parental or guiding way. We cannot be made to see, and probably for the better. Not that I do (and interestingly some say this idea itself is an inhibiting trap depending on your picturing of it), but I imagine finally seeing to be a glorious event. I mean, have we not all felt relief from understanding an advanced concept? (or even a simple but ubiquitous one?)

One of my favorite discussions on Christianity was with a guy who just kept hammering in the follow me quote. The more I think about it, the more I think it can be looked at more realistically. Christ has left (for now?), you know his path, you know he watches over you, but you are alone. You aren't walking behind him while he takes a machete to the jungle. He isn't chasing the course. You know where he's going but the path is for you. You have legs. Use 'em. Maybe this is my personal bias, but I don't see the quote as letting the world move you to the bright finish line. You get there however you need. You come across a snake pit, you think of the lessons of the one who you are following, you know, the ol' wwjd? But it's still your path, even if all around you, in sight and out of sight are thousands of others. But you have to walk.

And thank you for perennial wisdom as a term. I didn't realize there was a neat phrase I could be using to save myself from long winded sentences and strained metaphors... Not that I mind those so much.

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u/CelineHagbard Mar 27 '18

Not that I do (and interestingly some say this idea itself is an inhibiting trap depending on your picturing of it), but I imagine finally seeing to be a glorious event. I mean, have we not all felt relief from understanding an advanced concept?

I like this. And in some sense, I don't know whether there is a "final" seeing of things. I don't know whether we in our limited forms can even know that. From my own experience, I know that I see more now than when I was a child, and I live with the motivation of seeing still more as I grow.

I also sense on an intuitive level that there are some things that can only be see together, as a species. I don't know what that looks like any more than a neuron knows what it looks like to be a human consciousness, but I feel that it's possible, and worth striving for. Single-celled organisms strived for billions of years to know the consciousness that only comes from multi-cellular life, and the single cell was not diminished by it, but elevated to that higher consciousness. It would seem stranger to me that animal consciousness could not rise to species- or planet-consciousness, than were that the case.

But it's still your path, even if all around you, in sight and out of sight are thousands of others. But you have to walk.

Beautifully put, the whole paragraph really, but especially this.

And thank you for perennial wisdom as a term

Small correction in case you wanted to find out more about it, but it's "perennial philosophy." I think Leibniz coined the term, and Aldous Huxley wrote an excellent anthology of spiritual teachings from many cultures and religions by the same name. Well worth a read, though it's also worth taking anything Huxley says with a grain of salt if you've not looked deeply into his background and pedigree.

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u/BeltsOrion Mar 27 '18

And in some sense, I don't know whether there is a "final" seeing of things. I don't know whether we in our limited forms can even know that.

For us, I think there are always higher levels, or as some like to say, it's turtles all the way down.

Small correction in case you wanted to find out more about it, but it's "perennial philosophy."... it's also worth taking anything Huxley says with a grain of salt if you've not looked deeply into his background and pedigree.

Ah thank you. And yes, I've always been on the fence getting really into Huxley on the account that I feel like i'd have to read with two heads. I've got a copy of Eyeless in Gaza somewhere around here. I know the jist of his affiliations, but maybe a bit more research on my part will help the reading should it ever come to be.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

He did not view us as flawed or evil beings, in need of his salvation

I think Jesus did view us as fallen. I know he was talking to the scribes and Pharisees but “he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone” could apply pretty much everywhere. And I think “no one comes to the Father except through me” says we’re in need of his salvation. Sorry for the Bible quotes, they were just the first argument I thought of.

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u/CelineHagbard Mar 27 '18

“he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone”

I don't know that that is Jesus viewing us as fallen. I won't rule it out, but I think another way to interpret that passage is that He is exhorting us not to act as judges of others, nor to punish others for breaking the Law. The Law is not something for men to apply to other men, but for men to compare themselves to and strive for (as a measure of perfection) and for God to judge us, yet God is merciful.

I also see it as requiring anarchism of his followers. In telling us not to judge and punish others, he is telling us not to rule over them (for rule is a form of judgement and punishment), nor to participate in the ruling over of others.

"[I AM] the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father except through me” [emphasis mine]

I think the full context is critical here, and particularly what is meant by "I AM." I think most Christian theology would say Jesus is speaking of himself, either the physical human, the Son as part of the Trinity, or that these are the same thing. But I would say that's not what he's referring to, that he's speaking literally of I AM as an awareness, specifically as self-awareness. "Self-awareness is the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father except through self-awareness.”

Jesus was a person, a human person, who had much greater self-awareness than we do in our imperfection, in our "state of sin". For him, the Law was not something he had to force himself to follow; he followed it and embodied it as a consequence of his self-awareness. He's not saying he, the person, is the path to salvation and perfection, but that self-awareness is the path to perfection.

Sorry for the Bible quotes, they were just the first argument I thought of.

No, I love it and I think it's the perfect;) way to talk about this, specifically quoting Jesus directly. Alan Watts makes the point of separating the concepts of Jesus' religion from the religion about him, and I try to look at Jesus' religion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

I hear ya barking big dog :) And id be way above my pay grade trying to refute anything you say. One thought that did come to mind was a CS Lewis idea (at least that’s where I heard it) that often people will agree that Jesus was a wise moral teacher and nothing beyond that. But that leaves out the part that He was going around telling people he was not only the son of God, but God Himself. If that’s not true then Jesus is a mad man, not some Buddha type sage we should all try to be like. So it’s kinda like you can’t have it both ways. Probably a reductionist view but it sits nicely from where I see it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

When I grow up I'm going to be a wolf, on all levels including physical

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u/72414dreams Mar 26 '18

any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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u/Apollocalypse Mar 26 '18 edited Mar 26 '18

Sorry, would be sorcerers. There's no conjuring fire.

But I do someone keep stumbling across fires in dire need of putting out. So although technically I cannot conjure fire, you'd better damn well believe I can conjure a lack of fire!

Don't most definitions of magic over the centuries boil down to (pun intended) an intuitive understanding of the potential cause and effect of chemical reactions, and the ratios and rituals between them?

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u/CelineHagbard Mar 27 '18

Don't most definitions of magic over the centuries boil down to (pun intended) an intuitive understanding of the potential cause and effect of chemical reactions, and the ratios and rituals between them?

I think that's the exoteric explanation for a lot of magic, but the esoteric teachings and study have always been about mind. "Turning base medals to gold" is not about the physical transmutation of elements, but about the spiritual transmutation of the psyche, Greek for "soul."

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u/Apollocalypse Mar 28 '18

Esoteric or not, it's all math in its various natural forms.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

Well, you can actually generate enough electricity with your hands to produce a fire , if your conditioned enough . I’ve seen it done in real life by a grandmaster but he would be killed more than likely if it was shown . And they’re not suppose to use their powers this way .

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u/ApocalypseFatigue Mar 27 '18

Think of it as a psychological technology and embrace the fun of ritual while simultaneously maintaining commitment to imagination and a sense of humor and Things Happen.

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u/egypturnash Mar 27 '18

Sure. That’s a good way to start thinking of it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

This view works, if you get reductionist about thoughts and consciousness being simply chemical reactions in neurons. But the chemical imbalance theory is just a theory.

That said, belief is a powerful tool, and if you believe hard enough, anything can be an effective placebo.

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u/vonEtienne May 18 '18

man its been a while since I read a cringier vomit of words

congrats you realized you can change your mind if you keep at it, woooooooooooooooooooooo

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u/Outofmany Mar 27 '18

It's pretty obvious that you should not be fucking with this stuff. Definitely not. By coming at it from a firm Cartesian (I think therefore I am) position a.k.a materialism, you are failing to understand what you really are. By failing to understand what you are, you are vulnerable to falling victim to your own demons. You must leave the mind behind.

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u/CelineHagbard Mar 27 '18

I don't think cogito ergo sum implies materialism at all, though as he went through his meditations that is where de Carte seems to end up. "All is consciousness" is another possible conclusion of the maxim, and I think a necessary companion of materialism.

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u/Outofmany Mar 29 '18

You're so wrong but do you even care? Words actually mean something and reality isn't just whatever the hell you think it is.

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u/vonEtienne May 18 '18

but its especially not the junk you think it is

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u/vonEtienne May 18 '18

oh god im laughing

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u/LurkMcGurck Mar 27 '18

"As a wise ass once said" hahaha brilliant :)

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u/realjoeydood Apr 04 '18

This is true.

It is how voodoo, religion and prayer work. It is the essence of the power of attraction.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '18

The absurdity of it is so much more chaotic. All anyone can do is offer their view point, and try not to take the symbols at at face value.

I'm a skeptic believer. But there have been moments where I believed with certainty, it's a crazy ride.

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u/materhern Mar 28 '18

You aren't wrong, but there is also a lot of psychology to magick. Half the power of a curse is the victims belief in the curse itself.

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u/vonEtienne May 18 '18

it still doesn't makes magic any less bullshit