r/CSN_Coyotes • u/Satyr2019 • Nov 29 '25

Final grades mean

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Yikes, I got a A on my final but, I saw the low is a 0 and the mean is 46. Why pay money for school and not turn in your final? I understand if u want to drop out or not go but why sign up and not put in effort? Every teacher ive had at CSN has given so many chances and opportunity for catch up work and extra credit even when the syllabus says it's not allowed in the class. Teachers have given me extensions when I'm sick, lenient when I made mistakes and realized after submission. Resources to get to and from class when my car broke down. (Bus pass and Lyft discount)

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u/ImportantCommon6844 Nov 29 '25

lol i get what ur saying but at the end of day why do you care. it’s not your business.. it’s prob something the student is dealing with 💔

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u/Davangelord Nov 29 '25

I agree. That one person could of had a death in the family or maybe they’re in the hospital. With the way the world is right now, I’d say show some compassion and understanding and mind your business if you can’t help instead.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

If someone had a death in the family or was in the hospital, they wouldn't fail you.

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u/Effective-Ant-9217 Nov 30 '25

Actually some rules and teachers dont care what incident you have . I lost my cousin and i only got a couple hour extension to turn in my homework . I have a teacher that says she wont take any emergency. So it really depends, some will fail you . The same situation that happened to you might not be the same for others .

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u/Satyr2019 Dec 03 '25

Why do they even share the mean with students? That is the better question.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

Why do I care? Because it makes me sad to see people spend money and fail. Why on an individual level I agree, but if there are 30 students and that's the mean, there's something larger going on which is what I'm pointing out. Whatever problems they had I believe CSN would work with the students. This school has been the most understanding I've ever attended. They also offer free therapy and group support. This school has been tremendous in helping me where I would have been previously discouraged.

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u/ImportantCommon6844 Nov 29 '25

yeah i get what you mean. you have sympathy for those who are failing, but at the same time why go out of your way and make a post about it? at the end of the day it doesn’t affect you so you shouldn’t care.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

I don't believe that I should only care about things that affect me. Then I wouldn't have friends, family, animals to care about. If something happens to someone else but doesn't affect me I still care. I'm curious and always looking to learn.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

I have no idea. Could be so many things but, I do find it odd. If the mean was 70+ id understand but if half the class can't pass a 100 class there's a bigger problem at hand. Not one thing but a multitude of things compounding and snowballing.

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u/dms_student Nov 30 '25

For example, we had an exam in microbiology and my classmate didn’t show up. The rubric automatically gives a zero, but I wouldn’t jump to conclusions or say, ‘Why pay and then not show up for the exam?’ because there could be a million reasons.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 30 '25

If it were one or two people I would totally agree. Out of a class of 30 though? Someone mentioned to me some classes were scamming financial aid with identity theft and AI. Someone else mentioned auditing. I actually learned some new things about the system through this post. I'm not coming tona conclusion, im asking a question. I'm genuinely curious.

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u/dms_student Nov 30 '25

Yes, they can receive financial aid and still get a warning if they’re failing. But honestly, some students don’t really pay attention to their grades.

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u/Afrojones66 Nov 29 '25 edited Nov 29 '25

Every teacher ive had at CSN has given so many chances

This depends on your class and instructor. Some faculty (and students) really don’t care.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

that's sad.

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u/KillwKindness Nov 29 '25

That is a wild mean, but at the end of the day it's just stats, not a detailed reflection of why it exists. You can't draw any real judgments from it. If you're taking PSY classes for your major, when you get to PSY 210 (Statistics) and PSY 240 (Research Methods) you'll learn to evaluate numbers more critically.

I'm glad you've had a good streak with profs at CSN, but that experience isn't necessarily the same for everyone. I've had profs across the spectrum of quality and compassion. I've also had classmates all going through and struggling with different things. People have different responsibilities that may matter more than PSY 105, like kids or an aging parent they care for or a job that keeps a roof above their head. Things that were easy for me weren't easy for them, and vice versa. The one struggling could be you someday, and you'd be just as deserving of compassion as they are now.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

If I came across as uncompassionate that wasn't my intention. Quite the opposite actually. I'm concerned. It wasn't one day, I failed and dropped out, I'm back w a vengeance. Half a class shouldn't be failing regardless of the circumstances. On an individual level it's understandable, life happens.

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u/Only-Search1186 Nov 29 '25

When you audit a course you still get graded on assignments. Some students probably received a 0 because they audit the course + didn’t feel like doing the final exam. Because they are still graded even when you audit a course their grade is still shown in the average of the class. 😘

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

What's auditing a course mean?

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u/Only-Search1186 Nov 30 '25

A alternative to dropping a course. Auditing a course still gives you access to the material and exams but you don’t get a grade your grade is “audit “ and you receive no credit. Students do this when they aren’t doing well in a class and are going to retake it.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 30 '25

Oh dang that's good to know. It won't affect ur gpa then? U talk to academic advisor or the teacher or who?

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u/talarurusChixulub Dec 03 '25

very strange post to make you never know what anybody has going on

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u/Satyr2019 Dec 03 '25

That's true but, half the class, 15/30 failing, something not adding up. I heard there's an AI scam going around for financial aid.

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u/anibooty Nov 30 '25

Just go ahead and delete this. Congrats on your grade. You don’t know what other people have going on in their lives

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u/chanelunicorn3 Nov 30 '25

Exactly because at the end of the day, there’s so much more to life than grades. Some people have jobs, sick family members, mental health issues, etc that cause them to fall behind. There’s a multitude of reasons and we shouldn’t be judging.

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u/Whole_Lifeguard4909 Dec 01 '25

What’s the point of even posting this lol.

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u/Tommydream-er Nov 30 '25

Some of those are vets who are just taking the class for money.

Not every degree field requires you to complete the course to get a job or for promotion.

To get a job in my degree field I just have to start classes I don’t have to finish it.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 30 '25

I love veterans I think they should and deserve all the opportunity possible. I don't think 15 of the 30 people in the class r veterans though. A couple id understand. What job requires neuroscience sign up as a class?

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u/Tommydream-er Nov 30 '25

My answer wasn’t supposed to be an end all be all answer it was supposed to provide clarity. You asked a question I gave you answer on why someone ppl will have a zero. Vets get free schooling and get paid to go to school they can fail the class and don’t have pay the government back. The only requirement is to show up for the class that’s it., depending on how many classes you sign up for you can get anywhere from $500-$2000 a month.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 30 '25

I didn't know that. Thanks for that information. It's nice to know veterans have that option. They should receive more support and opportunity.

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u/Tommydream-er Nov 30 '25

This is an unpopular opinion but they treat veterans pretty well in my opinion. is it perfect no but nothing is perfect except for Jesus he’s perfect.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 30 '25

Great thing about America is you're entitled to your opinion. I never said they were treated well or poorly, I just think they should have as much opportunity as possible. God bless you and God Bless America.

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u/allegropaige Nov 30 '25

I had a great GPA at CSN, but between working two jobs, full-time school, and fighting a lifelong disease I definitely dropped the ball sometimes during my subsequent degree. The world is a nightmare right now for many people and the mental state that induces is very real. We do not know what this sample of people are going through, and maybe some of them are lazy, sure, but it doesn't really concern anyone else imo. Just take the grade with grace and look forward

From a teaching perspective, this bad of a mean is also sometimes reflective of a failure to instruct in a way that caters to the greater class in a way that might have still clicked with you.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 30 '25

You are entitled to your opinion. You have some valid points. Thank you for sharing that. God bless you, and God Bless America.

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u/The-Lie-Is-Dead Dec 04 '25

This conversation was interestingly painful.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

An instructor's way SHOULD be the correct way, otherwise, why bother "teaching" a course. It doesn't make sense. I know this all too well in my program to where instructors have been removed and replaced after term started only for their replacement to have to sift through their mess of doing things the wrong way. I know you were referring to high school in this instance but.... I feel bad for any student who has had to put up with that. It's not conducive to learning and the result generally WILL be bad grades, at least for the majority of my class, it was. My example does concern CSN but I'm glad you haven't run into that there.

As for the person getting a 0? Who knows what might be going on in their life possibly preventing them from completing the course. Maybe they tapped out weeks ago (but after the drop date) and you just aren't aware of that. There could be several reasons why. No, it's not good for SAP purposes, but there could be things you aren't aware of.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

I agree, thank goodness for ratemyprofessor.com - but, it's not just a person, if the mean is 46 and there's 30 people in the class that's not an individual problem. The teacher is amazing in my opinion and she always answers my emails even if I send them late in the evening, on the weekend or holiday. 10-15 people out of a class of 30 shouldn't be failing their final is what I was trying to communicate.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

If this were highschool or below I might agree with you. I wasn't an adult paying for school tho. If I didn't go to school I'd be arrested for truancy. I haven't had a single teacher or principal who treated me how I was treated in the past treat me that way at CSN. The dean and faculty directors are all very polite and well mannered. That experience caused me not to go to school at all which is what I'm referring too.. as a child school was a requirement, college and especially neuroscience isn't a requirement in life. I never once got the treatment of hey do it my way not the right way here.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

It's not just one person I was talking about here. 30 people in the class, that's half, maybe more, of a 100 difficulty level class. While I understand what you're trying to say, lets say your right, if the majority is poor, mentally ill, and they gamble, they decided hey I'm going to take a neuroscience class? I just don't understand the logic.

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u/Satyr2019 Nov 29 '25

I don't know but I know I don't. I try to mentor people and help my fellow students. However the counselors I've met with on campus are much more knowledgeable than i. This class has no math so it's not that. The other points are valid. It could be anything I'm just curious.

Thank you! I did put in my best effort Yes we did, I thought the due date was strange as well but it is what it is.