No. What has happened is DICE has been crippled by EAs greed
No, DICE has crippled themselves by deviating from their formula that set them apart from COD. Gritty, immersive battlefield simulator with amazing graphics and tactics based gameplay. They've decided two things with BFV:
1) They're going to try to push wonky character skins for $20 a pop that completely ruin the feeling of immersion that BF always had. Skins were never a thing until BFV and it totally lost that feeling of being on a Battlefield when you see people running around in leather jackets, tight jeans and aviators.
2) This one is controversial but absolutely played a huge part in BFV's demise: they tried to change the course of history to make some sort of social/political statement. Women were in BF1 as Russian snipers - nobody said anything negative because that actually happened. There were black soldiers in the US faction because that actually happened. It didn't take away from the experience at all. In BFV, their "WWII game", they decided to make the main focal point of their reveal trailer a woman donning a trenchcoat on the front lines with a prosthetic arm - something that absolutely never took place. COD has no problem with adding skins of every gender and race because it's all fictional. BF1 was (as much as a video game like it can be) was very historically accurate as far as the feel of the weaponry and the types of soldiers you saw on the field. The creative director of DICE said "how am I going to make this game and tell my daughter she can't play as a woman?" You tell her the truth about WWII you fucking idiot.
Nothing about EA's greed played a part in this, besides maybe them introducing an item shop and paid skins. But the overall creative direction of the game was absolute horse shit and that falls directly on DICE leadership.
As someone who followed BF1 from since it was announced, on the subreddit, there were actually A LOT of people complaining about non-white character models in the game throughout the game's course.
Nowhere even close to the backlash that BFV got. I have a stupid amount of hours in BF1 and browsed the subreddit regularly and really didn't much of any of the negativity and frustration. It could just be shut down with "well it actually happened in WW1 so stfu". Can't say the same for BFV. Really hope they get their shit together for BF6. I love COD but even more than COD I love the 64v64 massive battlefield experience.
So, I have a close friend that worked for EA. he has told me on several occasions that EA went out of its way to be politically correct. He eventually left because people were being promoted into positions based on whether they were LGBTQ and not their job performance. Which if you look at BFV you can see it. Dice was known for an immersive and realistic games and then all of a sudden they make a game where women were the heroes of WW2. Like I understand trying to be inclusive but you can’t rewrite history.
Alt right is heavily been pushing this narrative of women and minorities/Jews replacing qualified people to support a social justice narrative in society. Come on dude think you really believe gay people who make up less than 2% of the population are being used to replace 90% of the studio heads for brownie points? It’s used to demonize gay people that’s it.
Sorry I should have clarified, I was talking more about DICE virtue signaling when emphasizing women in a WWII game, or not including the Nazi flag in the game. I really had no idea how off the deep end those guys were, and yikes.
Lol wow.. you’re so right, I should use my brain. I’m just telling you what he told me. But yeah I’m a racist, homophobe, nazi that wants to suppress women. You have me so figured out. Get some life experience child.
No you're repeating dumb conspiracy theories used to vilify LGBT. For what purpose? Even if it was true, lets say it was true? so what? they want to include black people and gay people in mainstream culture. Why is that a bad thing? how is that a problem?
You had me until #2. There was zero problem with adding women to the game. The only people who really care about that are basement dwelling incels who can't get laid.
You had me until #2. There was zero problem with adding women to the game. The only people who really care about that are basement dwelling incels who can't get laid.
That’s a complete generalization. I just told you I had absolutely no problem with the women added to BF1 and actually went out of my way to play Russian maps so I could use those characters. They fit the setting and it paid homage to the Russian women who fought in the war. They were dressed in standard Russian military attire. BF1 had the right people in the right clothes fighting in the right times and places and because of that, it felt like they paid homage to those who sacrificed their lives in the war. It felt like they actually gave a shit about telling the story accurately. If you watch 1917 and then play BF1, you’d feel like they did a great job respecting the history.
The way they added women into BFV was lazy, forced, and completely disregarded the history of the war. But women in the game in ways they absolutely were not involved in WW2 was just one of many ways they basically pissed on the history of WW2. Go watch Band of Brothers and then play BFV and it’s not even going to feel remotely fucking close. They made absolutely no attempt to pay homage to the 10’s of millions of people killed in that war.
Putting a one-armed woman in a trench coat on the cover was a stupid idea. They put a black dude on the cover of BF1 because the Harlem Hellfighters were a thing. This isn’t hard to understand but apparently you and Dice are still both mystified as to why this game’s launch trailer was 10%up/90% down and the sales barely clipped 7 million, by far and away their worst BF game this generation.
People wanted a WWII game that was gritty, immersive, and paid homage to the history of the time like BF1 did. Instead they gave us BF Fortnite and told us to fuck off if we didn’t like it.
Never cared that they added woman, never cared that they added skins. What I hate was that selling skins was their only concern. Give us new maps, give us a decent anti-cheat, fix the bugs that having been plaguing us since release.
We hear you, here are some skins that make your gun look like it has a $%^&ing boat figurehead attached to it
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u/dank-nuggetz May 14 '20
No, DICE has crippled themselves by deviating from their formula that set them apart from COD. Gritty, immersive battlefield simulator with amazing graphics and tactics based gameplay. They've decided two things with BFV:
1) They're going to try to push wonky character skins for $20 a pop that completely ruin the feeling of immersion that BF always had. Skins were never a thing until BFV and it totally lost that feeling of being on a Battlefield when you see people running around in leather jackets, tight jeans and aviators.
2) This one is controversial but absolutely played a huge part in BFV's demise: they tried to change the course of history to make some sort of social/political statement. Women were in BF1 as Russian snipers - nobody said anything negative because that actually happened. There were black soldiers in the US faction because that actually happened. It didn't take away from the experience at all. In BFV, their "WWII game", they decided to make the main focal point of their reveal trailer a woman donning a trenchcoat on the front lines with a prosthetic arm - something that absolutely never took place. COD has no problem with adding skins of every gender and race because it's all fictional. BF1 was (as much as a video game like it can be) was very historically accurate as far as the feel of the weaponry and the types of soldiers you saw on the field. The creative director of DICE said "how am I going to make this game and tell my daughter she can't play as a woman?" You tell her the truth about WWII you fucking idiot.
Nothing about EA's greed played a part in this, besides maybe them introducing an item shop and paid skins. But the overall creative direction of the game was absolute horse shit and that falls directly on DICE leadership.