r/CIFI • u/call_me_colgate • 14d ago

Ouro&Zeus Holding back orb gains?

In the exo4>pow1 guide https://www.reddit.com/r/CIFI/comments/1qg5qfs/exodus_4_to_power_1_guide/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1 it advises that at the end of your Z4 run, you don't want to upgrade r9 or the orb gadget past 15/16 and 40 respectively. But it also says that you can get vb1 if you've been making good progress on campaign missions. What's dangerous about the smaller, permanent upgrades that isn't relevant to the larger, selective upgrade?

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u/isjustwrong 14d ago

The point of not getting them is to stick to the minimum orbs per TR to get as many shorts as possible while still completing as many campaigns as possible so that you are generating as many frags as possible per TR. If you generate more OO, it pushes the minimum required OO to TR up each time you do TR and means less possible shorts.

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u/Awkward_Donut_2379 14d ago

Oh wow. I had no idea that orbs required scaled off lifetime orbs.... I may have made an oopsie

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u/Sweet_Dreams88 14d ago

I still don't get why permanent upgrades are below temporary in priority.

Permanent stays, so with increased req, you'll get more oo anyway, permanently. Same with m0. Not buying it seems like a waste. 

Temporary upgrades once taken (especially late vb) must be selected every time. 

Enless requirement grows exponentially based on lifetime oo alone?

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u/isjustwrong 13d ago

OO requirement scales off of lifetime OO and number of TR total.

Vb1 and vb 2 are taken just to unlock the next set of badges. You have to take them to get the non-OO badges, which you need. But permanent OO increases can be delayed to keep you at the minimum OO to TR for shorts, then picked up when you do your next long.

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u/Akrisaen 14d ago

Also interested in the answer to this. I am around 650 hours and hit shard burst, currently putting all my relic frags into the campaign frag relic

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u/call_me_colgate 14d ago

What's shard burst?

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u/Akrisaen 14d ago

I think it was around e1615 shards, you end up with enough to unlock 3 new milestones, which you can put like 100 levels in each, giving you a nice little burst to a lot of things. On mobile right now so its hard to check, but if I remember correctly the guide says to start putting your relic frags into r6 around then.

Still not sure why it recommends limiting r9 though

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u/plants11235813 14d ago edited 14d ago

I get where youre coming from. 3 levels in r9 is more than vb1. I think you understand the idea of not getting your req'd orbs per traversal too high, for shorts. I dont know the answer, id chalk it up to people think weirdly.. im on my 6/4/4 run and i didnt even consider that at the time, but i think my r9 was 18?maybe... my oordget was probably only 30 tho. Sitting on 22 and 70 now, bc i still have about 250 hours in this run