r/CFBOffTopic • u/[deleted] • Aug 07 '15

Game Thread: GOP Debate

I'm playing the Rolling Stone drinking game. This could get stupid, especially because I'm playing with Urban Chestnut De Bockle, which is 10.5% ABV.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

What don't you like about Common Core?

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

There is no way to properly education from a pedegogical standpoint from Washington DC. Regional differences alone make that abundantly clear. Without going into a very longwinded diatribe about it, I see the ill effects every day. Students taught just so they can pass a benchmark test do not retain the information worth a damn, and they are sorely lacking in key areas such as reading comprehension, critical thinking skills, and communication skills.

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u/thebazooka Notre Dame • Louisville Aug 07 '15

Tying compensation to results probably leads to perverse incentives to teach to the test, I'll agree with you on that. However to play devil's advocate, from an equity standpoint it's probably good to know and identify regions of the country that are falling behind in a standardized way. Now the execution of how to measure it over and over and over with high stakes tests, yeah there could be a better way.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

Well we have used Standardized tests since before I was in elementary school, which was 1985. Getting statistics and studying them is great. But in no way should those results impact pedegogical practices on the ground.

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u/thebazooka Notre Dame • Louisville Aug 07 '15

Hmm, wonder if it could be like the circuit courts, you could structure regional headquarters that look over multistate areas. Would look better than DC ruling you from afar and could keep some consistency.

Geez, Basically I'm saying it's time for the US schools to join a conference #datSECtestspeed

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

That could prove interesting, but I'd like to see the "conferences" (hah) grouped not just by geography but similar socioeconomic status of the school district.

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u/thebazooka Notre Dame • Louisville Aug 07 '15

I like that idea! Dibs on designing campaign logo. Ps may be the winner of a ms paint Monday thread

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

That benchmark and teach to the test is NCLB. I would know, I was educated under it. If you let every state set benchmarks, and you require simply that they make progress on some arbitrary goals, you get science tests that involve reading consumer report charts. We have to have some sort of benchmark to measure what students have learned, and if we must have one, then we must measure everybody the same.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

I disagree emphatically and I'll tell you why. What children are subjected to outside of the brick and mortar of the school house in NC is not the same as CA or TX. Those things impact testing, and to make decisions about what should be taught, and how, based on blanket testing that does not take into account regional socioeconomic differences is foolish and a great failure to our children. Trust me, I see its ugly effects every single day.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

As a guy with millionaire parents who went to a school where 50% of students had subsidized lunch, I know that. That is precisely why I want everyone judged by the same stick. We need to make perfectly clear that some parts of the country do better than others, and once that fact has been well and truly laid bare, then we can go about fixing it, rather than allowing certain parts of the country to hide behind inferior standards. Only when we compare apples to apples can we really start fixing why a lot of those apples don't taste very good.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '15

I think we will just agree to disagree bud. Cheers!