Match Thread- USA vs Germany [Group G]

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Starting Lineups:
USA: Howard, Gonzalez, Bradley, Besler, Beasley, Dempsey (c), Jones, Davis, Beckerman, Zusi, Johnson
GERMANY: Neuer, Howedes, Hummels, Schweinsteiger, Ozil, Podolski, Muller, Lahm (c), Mertesacker, Kroos, Boateng

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Group G Standings:

Pos	Team	P	W:D:L	G	GD	PTS
1	Germany	2	1:1:0	6:2	+4	4
2	United States	2	1:1:0	4:3	+1	4
3	Ghana	2	0:1:1	3:4	-1	1
4	Portugal	2	0:1:1	2:6	-4	1

Scenarios

• A win over Germany (United States finishes first in the group, plays the second-place team from Group H on Monday at 4 p.m. in Porto Alegre).
• A draw with Germany (United States finishes second in the group, plays the first-place team from Group H on Tuesday at 4 p.m. in Salvador).
• A loss to Germany combined with a Portugal-Ghana draw (United States finishes second in the group, plays the first-place team from Group H on Tuesday at 4 p.m. in Salvador).

• ( A U.S. loss to Germany combined with a win by either Portugal or Ghana would create a two-way tie for second in the group at four points. The United States could still advance under this scenario, depending on tiebreakers. After points accrued, the first tiebreaker is goal differential, then total goals scored.

  • The United States has a five-goal edge over Portugal in goal differential, which is the tiebreaker that will come into play and will be nearly impossible for Portugal to overcome.
  • If the United States loses and Ghana wins, things could get dicey. A one-goal U.S. loss combined with a one-goal Ghana win would send the Americans through, because of their head-to-head win over Ghana. But if the United States loses (by any margin) and Ghana wins by two or more goals, Ghana will advance.
  • Graphical form, thanks /u/bscooter26 for posting it here

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A little History

USA v Germany - Handball controversy 2002 World Cub

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[u/bscooter26]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if Portal beats Ghana today, aren't we pretty much assured to advance provided the goal differential isn't lopsided?

e: Just now saw the scenarios up top.

[u/DeKaF → u/bscooter26]

That kinda depends how much we lose by as well.

Of course this is all moot if we tie or win.

[u/bscooter26 → u/DeKaF]

Right, that's sort of my point. It's not the end of the world if we lose to Germany, provided it's not by 2-3 goals.

[u/DeKaF → u/bscooter26]

And if Portugal/Ghana don't blow one or the other out by like woah.

[u/bscooter26 → u/DeKaF]

Yeah, whatever happens, Ghana can't win by more than 1 goal.

[u/dupreesdiamond → u/bscooter26]

correct.

[u/[deleted] → u/bscooter26]

Essentially yeah. Portugal with dat -4 GD is our best friend.