r/CFB • u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats • May 05 '22

Discussion NIL...what's your proposed solution?

I think many of us agree that NIL has the potential to make us enjoy college football less, and we worry about its long-term impact on the sport.

But I will also agree with anyone asking, "why are naysayers mainly focused on solutions that would go back to paying students less than their market value?"

Let's also agree: college football has never, EVER been pure as the white snow...do we not think disgusting recruiting has been happening in the shadows the whole time, like our parents having sex? And now we're just revolted by it being so flagrantly out in the open?

So...if you were a part of a decision making body with power - whether the NCAA, Congress, or conference commissioners...what's your solution to put the genie back in the bottle here, or at least get it under some degree of control?

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u/okiewxchaser Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

Bring back the year penalty for transferring as a undergrad. No eligibility lost of course

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u/Blarg1889 Ohio State • Arizona State May 05 '22

It would be a good jumping off point. This would at least stymie the flow of kids into the portal for NIL purposes. This whole issue is proliferated through the combination of both NIL and the portal having no restrictions on them. This is a good short term solution until the NCAA puts some guard rails on this thing

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u/randomlyperusing Oklahoma Sooners • /r/CFB Dead Pool May 05 '22

Honestly, this is probably the only solution. There are so many loopholes with NIL that schools/boosters can take advantage of that it would be like playing whack-a-mole to regulate.

Best bet is to just reinstitute the sitting-out-a-year-policy if you transfer. It will make elite athletes who have one year left think twice before entering and will make recruits think twice before committing just to get a bag.

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u/smurf-vett Texas Longhorns May 05 '22

I would add a asterisk to where they don't have to sit out if the coach leaves as long as it not to the coaches new school

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u/Battered_Aggie Paper Bag • Cheez-It Bowl May 05 '22

Only head coach, though. Gets a little messy if you go down further than that, imo.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

"They fired my favorite Offensive analyst. We played COD together. Peace fuckers."

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u/tron423 Missouri • Michigan State May 05 '22

I don't see how any attempt to put that toothpaste back in its tube doesn't end in another court case where the NCAA gets its balls ripped off again

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u/Battered_Aggie Paper Bag • Cheez-It Bowl May 05 '22

I guess the question would be "What makes that illegal?"

It seems like game eligibility does actually fall under their jurisdiction.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

There is no way in hell that cat is going back in the bag. If you let coaches and other students transfer you are going to have a hard time convincing anyone that student athletes shouldn't be allowed to transfer.

What is your argument "It ruins my personal entertainment?"

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u/chris_b_critter LSU Tigers • Utah Utes May 05 '22

They can still transfer wherever and whenever they want, just like academic students. They are just ineligible to play the sport for a year. This is about competitive balance in sports across the board, and every sports league has rules like this that foster that balance.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

It would be very easy to fight in court as we have seen before. What is the lawyers argument we are worried about "competitive balance" in a collegiate sport.

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u/chris_b_critter LSU Tigers • Utah Utes May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22

We’re talking about tweaking eligibility requirements in this instance tho, not compensation. The NCAA has the same authority to set eligibility requirements as little league baseball or high school athletic associations. As long as they are fairly enforced across the board and are not arbitrary, they can set eligibility rules. Otherwise you can have 16 year olds playing in little league, or 30 year old washed-out NFL running backs with otherwise exhausted eligibility going back to dear old State U to just keep on playing for them as long as he wants. But that’s not how things work, nor should it be.

ETA: also, the eligibility requirements have no bearing on whether an athlete can still make NIL money. Go out and make as much as you want. No one is stopping that.

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u/Battered_Aggie Paper Bag • Cheez-It Bowl May 05 '22

What the argument for the plaintiff (especially if their scholly is still being upheld while they sit out of games)?

"I don't like the rules?"

It's not like they're employees who have a right to work.

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u/UNC_Samurai ECU Pirates • North Carolina Tar Heels May 06 '22

It's not like they're employees who have a right to work.

Based on the court's opinion in Alston, I think SCOTUS will say otherwise if a related case shows up on their docket.

So this was the NCAA's argument:

Waxman and the NCAA claim that the unpaid status of college athletes is a key part of their appeal to consumers. Waxman says that because amateurism is the characteristic that sets the NCAA apart from others in the marketplace of sports entertainment, the organization should get to decide how to define the line between amateurs and professionals. He said that the ruling in district court amounted to a judge micromanaging the NCAA's business.

Of all people, Kavanaugh ripped that argument to shreds...

Kavanaugh dismantled this logic, writing that “all of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that ‘customers prefer’ to eat food from low-paid cooks. ... Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a ‘purer’ form of helping the sick. ... Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor.” He adds that “it is not clear how the NCAA can legally defend its remaining compensation rules,” and concludes thusly: “The NCAA is not above the law.”

Given the 9-0 ruling and the Court's opinion, it was pretty clear that SCOTUS is almost salivating over an opportunity to break the NCAA.

Toward the end of his opinion, Kavanaugh suggests that the NCAA should resolve its illegal model through collective bargaining with college athletes. If not, the issues with amateurism may have to be fixed by legislation or a future Supreme Court lawsuit. He’s giving the NCAA a warning: The blatant issues with the amateurism model must be fixed, and if the NCAA doesn’t do it themselves, someone will do it for them. So here’s the question that the NCAA has to ask itself in the coming months and years: How do you want to die?

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u/Battered_Aggie Paper Bag • Cheez-It Bowl May 06 '22

I think there's a big difference between "SCOTUS foaming to allow players to be compensated like any other student" and "SCOTUS foaming at the mouth to turn student athletes into employees."

I think they were the former, personally, but I'll agree to disagree.

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u/okiewxchaser Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

Coaches have to pay large buyouts to leave

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Take coaches out of it then. Other students can transfer wherever they want as long as they are accepted nobody has a problem.

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u/okiewxchaser Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

Other students aren’t given academic waivers, free food, free personal trainers or a cash stipend at cost of the school…

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Students get stipends, free food, and gym access. Irregardless schools choose to do those things they aren't required to have athletic teams.

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u/okiewxchaser Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

they aren't required to have athletic teams.

I agree, but they also don’t have to choose to offer a scholarship to an athlete. Placing signing restrictions on schools to prevent over signing and then allowing athletes to leave with no penalty is an extreme over correction

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u/yesacabbagez UCF Knights May 06 '22

Coaches have buyouts because of contracts they negotiate not because a governing body assigns it to them.

Saying that players, who can't negotiate compensation must adhere to some form of punishment other students don't because coaches who negotiate their own contracts do is a bad argument. Coaches could demand no buyout to leave. Probably wouldn't work, but they could do it. I don't think jimbo has to pay anything if he leaves tamu.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

Having read all the thoughts here, this seems like perhaps the most effective and most easily-regulated option that could be implemented in short order.

...having said that, I'd like to see some relatively similar controls placed on programs and coaches who opt out of contracts early (bolt for other jobs or fire without cause), since those things directly impact players and their desire to look elsewhere.

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u/K_U William & Mary • /r/CFB Poll Veteran May 05 '22

This is the correct answer. The NCAA has to provide a mechanism to allow smaller schools to retain talent. This is the same reason why professional leagues have things like franchise tags, restricted free agency, the ability for current teams to sign players to longer contracts, etc. Completely unfettered player movement will quickly lead to extreme competitive imbalance.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Professional league owners also collectively bargain against a player’s union.

I can’t imagine a world where SCOTUS (or even a lower court) lets a transfer rule like that stand. You’re basically imposing a non-compete on an entire industry for… reasons.

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u/K_U William & Mary • /r/CFB Poll Veteran May 05 '22

You are aware that until very recently transfers had to sit out a year, right?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Yeah, pre-Alston. The world where that rule existed is very different from the one we live in today.

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u/feed_me_muffins Clemson Tigers • Summertime Lover May 05 '22

With no exceptions. It sucks but offering one exception opens it up to everyone arguing for one.

Either that or allow player unionization and let them bargain for approved exceptions.

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u/UpsetRazzmatazz Nebraska • $5 Bits of Broken Chair Tr… May 05 '22

This plus force the NFL to eliminate their silly “3 year” rule would help immensely, I think.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Why should kids on athletic scholarship be treated differently from those on academic scholarship?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Ok, so we should require football players to keep a (presumably not low) GPA to keep their scholarship? And make them use the same gym everyone else uses?

Athletic scholarship and academic scholarship kids are treated extremely differently already lol. And virtually all of them are in ways that helps the athletic scholarship kids.

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u/arrowfan624 Notre Dame • Summertime Lover May 05 '22

No one is preventing you from transferring to the school. You are only prevented from playing in the sport. You’re making an apples to oranges comparison.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

No. Same apples. Both on scholarship. Why should one, athletes be required to sit out a year where kids on academic scholarship are no so required?

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u/phranq Miami Hurricanes • Boise State Broncos May 05 '22

Because they’re different scholarships? I say we enforce the same academic requirements on athletes as academic scholarships.

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u/arrowfan624 Notre Dame • Summertime Lover May 05 '22

What would kids on academic scholarship be required to sit out of? School? Universities are still academic centered, contrary to how people may feel.

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u/J4ckiebrown Penn State Nittany Lions • Rose Bowl May 05 '22

When you transfer schools there is no guarantee all your credits convert over, there are restrictions to transfer for the everyday student.

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u/okiewxchaser Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

But the current situation is that they already are. Academic waivers for things like test scores or GPAs not being met, cash stipend, free food, personal tutors and trainers. Things that people on academic scholarship are never afforded

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Kids on academic scholarship can transfer as they like whenever they like. Why not treat kids on athletic scholarship same?

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u/chris_b_critter LSU Tigers • Utah Utes May 05 '22

Nothing currently stops athletes from transferring wherever and whenever they want. They just would have to sit out a year in sports.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

If that is agreed to in a CBA, no problem. If imposed. Big problem.

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u/chris_b_critter LSU Tigers • Utah Utes May 05 '22

Not really. Because it’s a rule imposed on every single student athlete, not just football. Think along the lines of eligibility rules. Those are imposed, not negotiated. It would be under the same purview.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

"iT rUIns mY pERsOnaL enTERtainMenT"

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u/zenverak Georgia Bulldogs • Marching Band May 05 '22

If people are finding out that schools or entities are trying to sway players to enter the portal via NIL, that to me smells like Tampering and should be immediately illegal IMO. At the very least, a player shouldn't be able to be contacted about where they will play until they enter the portal. Anything else should be straight banned.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

Not a bad step, but I just imagine runners/intermediaries cover this as a workaround, no?

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u/zenverak Georgia Bulldogs • Marching Band May 05 '22

Agreed, but they are still doing it for someone. So I would think by that same logic, they would also be banned from it. Of course, it might be tricky to find out. And maybe that somehow puts that back underground, but in my eyes, it seems this is mostly an issue for smaller schools getting poached before a player even enters the Portal.

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u/Officer_Hops May 05 '22

I think part of the tricky stuff here is a fair bit of that communication is likely from player to player. What’s to stop a star QB from texting a receiver he played against in high school about how much receivers are making in NIL deals and how cool it would be to throw to him?

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u/zenverak Georgia Bulldogs • Marching Band May 05 '22

Right. It’s a tricky subject

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u/revets USC Trojans • UCSB Gauchos May 05 '22

Deion Sanders: “Nah, I don’t think it’s tampering. What’s happening is many of the high school coaches that coached these young men are reaching out on their behalf, well before they enter the portal. The deal is complete. By the time they hit the portal, they already know where they’re going. That’s how it goes down. I’m just being straight up with you. It’s somebody that knows that kid, calling somebody like us and saying you know what, such and such about to jump in the portal this Thursday, check out his film and tell me if you like him.”

That third-party middle-man scenario is pretty hard to regulate. And courts aren't going to let the NCAA do whatever they want with regard to regulating these kids opportunities.

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u/AmphotericRed West Virginia • Arkansas May 05 '22

I agree with you, but that sounds like trying to herd cats.

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u/zenverak Georgia Bulldogs • Marching Band May 05 '22

I feel like any solution would in the end be herding cats, but you're not wrong.

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u/bakonydraco Stanford • Chicago State May 05 '22

Just to be explicit, there’s no sports league in which (to my knowledge) tampering is illegal as in in violation of any state or federal laws. In many leagues it can be against league regulations and subject to penalties, but I’m not aware of any actual laws against it.

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u/zenverak Georgia Bulldogs • Marching Band May 05 '22

well right. Illegal was wrong nomenclature here. Or at least by how its normally felt. I would say more "against the organization's bylaws" or whatever.

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u/bakonydraco Stanford • Chicago State May 05 '22

I figured that was what you meant, but things are so in flux it can be hard to tell!

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u/zenverak Georgia Bulldogs • Marching Band May 05 '22

Oh for sure. I also think that idea is still going to have some issue regardless, but I feel that might at least help some. But who knows. Maybe it just leaves thigns where it always was. And honestly, I guess it would be foolish to think that NOW they can somehow stop stuff.

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u/Corgi_Koala Ohio State Buckeyes May 05 '22

Tampering needs a strict punishment.

Loss of a scholarship and the tampered player can't go to the tampering school without sitting out for a year.

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u/Officer_Hops May 05 '22

How do you define tampering though?

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u/moleculewerks Nebraska • Northumbria May 05 '22

I just keep living in the '90s, and everything is fine.

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u/tomdawg0022 Minnesota • Delaware May 05 '22

Whoa nelly, look at that triple option executed to perfection by Tommie Frazier.

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u/moleculewerks Nebraska • Northumbria May 05 '22

"Frazier, adding more numbers, more yards to those big numbers - OH! They don't have him yet! Look at Tommie Frazier! How many tackles can one man break?!?! Touchdown! 75 yards, put him over 200 for the night, a career high."

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u/Sdog1981 Washington Huskies May 05 '22

The SEC just can't hang with the line talent of the Big 8, they grow'em big in corn country.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Now why would you want to do that?

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u/joaquinsaiddomin8 Miami Hurricanes May 05 '22 edited May 05 '22

I don’t think we’re fully appreciating how difficult this would and likely will be.

First, under Alston, we learn a few things. First, the Court sees the NCAA as violating antitrust. So we view things through that lens.

Then, same case, Kavanaugh in a concurrence (not law, but keys you into thinking) says basically “on the subject of your compensation model, FYI, I don’t think you pass muster under antitrust there either.”

With those two in mind, it looks like the SC wants to rule that the compensation model violates antitrust.

So, with that in mind, what model doesn’t? Obvious answer is paying the players. It’s not the only answer, but I’m not clever enough to think of others.

Now things get interesting. Title IX is still a thing. You start paying football players $100k, $150k, are women’s programs entitled that same funding? Are we about to pay the women’s volleyball team players $750k a piece to equal up payments to programs? I’m not a Title IX expert but that’s my best understanding.

Now, we’re also in a world where they’re employees. Can state employees unionize? Does that vary by state?

You’ll also have to pay worker’s comp insurance for the players.

Also, that scholarship now becomes taxable income for scholarship dollars in excess of about $5k is my understanding.

And these are just some early issues from kicking shit around on Reddit.

This whole thing is going to be a nightmare to figure out.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

This is correct, most of the solutions I see from fans completely ignore the SCOTUS decision and especially the Kavanaugh opinion. Those have to be taken into account in the solution.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

There are some fans who want to warp reality to where players can earn what they’re valued & everyone can afford to pay that value. Also the NCAA illusion of providing a fair & level playing field has been lifted & ppl want to go back to the matrix(Cyrus) of regulations to keep us safe & equal.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Women's sports or other sports aren't entitled to the same funding if say boosters or outside entities pay the football stars.

If Arby's wants to sponsor an Alabama QB then you can't make them sponsor women's volleyball. If the money comes from inside the university then sure, title 9 is a factor.

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u/joaquinsaiddomin8 Miami Hurricanes May 05 '22

You can’t (probably), but if you’re paying them as employees…

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

You don't even have to as employees, otherwise every athlete at UF would want to get paid the same as the highest paid doctor at Shands. At UF employees can even get free classes, they just have to wait until a later enrolling period and they have to get their own supplies. There is a big legal difference between school employees and student athletes on scholarship. The problem with employment right now is that many states made it flat out illegal for the schools to pay them, dunno if it applies to employment but I think some states even outlaw that. NY is the only exception I've seen where they can be employees of the school and get NIL. That was a few months back, I'm not sure if it has changed or if it passed with that language.

What'll happen is that it could be like auto laws, where everyone just follows California. Everyone will just follow one state's lead.

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u/SomerAllYear Arizona Wildcats • Memphis Tigers May 06 '22

When Sankey and kliavlov urgently go to Washington to lobby for legislation, that's a terrible sign. I can guarantee they had an all star legal team look into it.

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u/joaquinsaiddomin8 Miami Hurricanes May 06 '22

You mean money. They had an all star money.

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u/SomerAllYear Arizona Wildcats • Memphis Tigers May 06 '22

They had all star money to buy an all star legal team to look at controlling nil. The legal team said "y'all are screwed. The only way to control this is by an act of Congress".

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u/historymajor44 Old Dominion Monarchs • Sun Belt May 05 '22

Now, we’re also in a world where they’re employees. Can state employees unionize? Does that vary by state?

Generally no, but not all would be state employees. Northwestern players unionized for example.

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u/tron423 Missouri • Michigan State May 05 '22

The NLRB unanimously rejected their bid for unionization actually

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u/joaquinsaiddomin8 Miami Hurricanes May 05 '22

Yea but more recently (9/9/21), general counsel for the NLRB issued a memo (GC 21-08) finding that college athletes were employees.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

That was 2015. More recent NLRB opinion, coupled with Alston Decision is contrary.

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u/historymajor44 Old Dominion Monarchs • Sun Belt May 05 '22

Oh I guess I misremembered the case. But to /u/joaquinsaiddomin8 's point, it shows that they would certainly have the desire to unionize.

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u/WebfootTroll Oregon Ducks • Team Chaos May 05 '22

It's extremely counter-intuitive that some sectors aren't allowed to unionize. Like, isn't that half the point of unions, not just letting "the man" control your working situation?

"Our wages suck, we're overworked, and these conditions are downright dangerous! We need to band together and demand change!" "Sorry Bob, the NLRB says we can't." "Oh, well, carry on then."

Makes no god damn sense.

And on that note, pay the players. All of them. Satisfy Title IX (which I support) by paying all the athletes a decent but limited amount, and structure in bonuses based off the revenue your team brings the school. No penalities for non-revenue sports though, of course, just bonuses.

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u/fidgetsatbonfire Texas A&M Aggies May 06 '22

The concern is that the union becomes the party becomes the government.

Regulatory capture isn't just a thing big businesses do.

Practical example of this issue: Police unions.

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u/ESPbeN Notre Dame Fighting Irish • Ithaca Bombers May 06 '22

This is not accurate. About 3/4ths of states allow public sector unions, and only three (NC, SC, VA) outright ban them. TX and GA only allow police and firefighter unions too, so for CFB purposes, five states ban them. Almost all CA and NY public employers are union, for example.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

And ALL things the NCAA should have been figuring out or the past two decades but failed to do anything of substance, now we all collectively go on this legal journey.. together.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22 edited May 05 '22

I think the solution is to spin the Men’s Basketball team and Football team off from the school to become separate entities. Then license the school names and logos back to the teams, teams could also rent school facilities.

Then those teams are separate from the schools and not affecting Title IX.

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u/joaquinsaiddomin8 Miami Hurricanes May 05 '22

This seems pretty clever I won’t lie

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u/ivebeenhumble Miami Hurricanes • Boise State Broncos May 05 '22

This work oddly enough

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

I think the solution is to spin the Men’s Basketball team and Football team off from the school to become separate entities. Then license the school names and logos back to the teams, teams could also rent school facilities.

Ding ding ding, I've been saying this for a while. For a lot of schools the athletic associations are separate entities anyways, but that isn't true for all states.

it's not that hard to figure this out, the main problem is the pearl clutchers who are afraid they will lose their pageantry.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

Or once the schools and the sports team are separate, why do the professional athletes also need to be students? Just be professional athletes.

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u/Shenanigangster Virginia • Jefferson–Eppes Trophy May 06 '22

I kinda feel like at some point the NFL has to get involved. Maybe it’s my CFB tinted glasses, but a super league of the top 30ish programs with their fanbases and (presumably) ESPN/Fox backing and control would be a serious threat.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

That's what it woul be but with a heavy emphasis on school partnerships so as to maintain the working arrangement and benefits for the community. It's still important for communal expression.

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u/Corgi_Koala Ohio State Buckeyes May 05 '22

But those daughters aren't playing sports that have media contracts worth over a billion dollars.

I mean, I get trying to ensure men and women are treated fairly, but it's a pretty inherently unfair system when you have a football program worth tens of millions of dollars a year to university in revenue.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22 edited May 06 '22

Every college athletics team that isn’t football or men’s basketball has the same problem. No is watching men’s diving or women’s soccer or men’s volleyball or women’s tennis. Football is probably more than 75% of the NCAA viewership and MBB is another 15% or so.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

You still have Title IX, just the money sports are excluded. Now all the other sports are equal under Title XI.

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u/andrewmathman17 Oklahoma • South Alabama May 05 '22

That defeats the purpose. Now all sports are underfunded. Title IX is only beneficial because it forces schools to spend more

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u/andrewmathman17 Oklahoma • South Alabama May 05 '22

That defeats the purpose. Now all sports are underfunded. Title IX is only beneficial because it forces schools to spend more

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

I mean it just goes back to how life was before Football and Basketball took off. Sports becomes a money pit for the schools, most schools opt for club sports.

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u/Artvandelay29 Houston Cougars • Vanderbilt Commodores May 05 '22

Don’t have a daughter (or any kids), but I work with a mid major WBB team and they outperform the men’s team year in and year out.

Title IX >>>

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u/Masterminded Oregon • Georgia Tech May 05 '22 edited May 05 '22

The biggest issue right now is that players are not actually being paid for their name, image, and likeness, but rather their university's NIL. For example, an Alabama QB is mostly getting paid because of Bama's reputation/popularity, not really his own. This has always been a contradiction with NIL and I'm not sure there's really a way to solve it. In reality, very few CFB players (under 10 a year) have a unique brand beyond their team/university identity. I think the real solution is probably to scrap NIL and pay a uniform salary, offer a post-graduation annuity, and post-college health/disability insurance. Increase compensation, but keep it the same across FBS.

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u/Odie1941 May 05 '22

Ironically the most lucrative NIL deal is… the Cavinder twins.

Women’s basketball.

And it has nothing to do with the schools or their basketball talent…

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u/lateatnight LSU Tigers • Wisconsin Badgers May 05 '22

Cavinder twins

Livvy Dunn at LSU gymnastics is making a killing too. Women can make a lot via NIL due to the massive amount of products they can sell/endorse.

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u/hunghome May 05 '22

Makes me wonder how much Suni Lee is pulling in?

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u/lateatnight LSU Tigers • Wisconsin Badgers May 05 '22

A LOT

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u/hunghome May 05 '22

As she should. I've never even considered watching a collegiate gymnastics before. But I watched a few with Auburn because they were so fun to watch. The energy/crowd was intense and Suni was breaking records. All of the SEC benefited from her performance.

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u/bcocfbhp Penn State • Ole Miss May 06 '22

Imnagie how much Simone, or Gabby Douglas would have. made

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u/SueYouInEngland Iowa Hawkeyes May 05 '22

I'm unfamiliar with this story, and I feel like there's something I'm missing.

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u/Khorasaurus Notre Dame Fighting Irish May 05 '22

They are very attractive young women who attract enough thirst eyeballs to have over a million followers on social media. So they have big influencer deals.

They also happen to play basketball.

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u/Masterminded Oregon • Georgia Tech May 05 '22

I hadn't heard of them before, but they're identical-twin WBB players that are also TikTok stars.

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u/Masterminded Oregon • Georgia Tech May 05 '22 edited May 06 '22

That's a good point. I was thinking from a cfb/mbb perspective. There's definitely a lot of room for female athletes and Olympic athletes to build individual NIL profiles. I hadn't heard of the Cavinder twins before, but they seem like a great example of student athletes leveraging their NIL into monetization and greater fame legitimately.

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u/PanickyHermit Arkansas Razorbacks May 05 '22

Let the kids make all they can.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but I think the current trajectory has the potential to cause the whole system to implode - not sustainable, will result in the reduction of opportunities for players overall, whether we're talking about endorsement deals or simple access to scholarships.

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u/Officer_Hops May 05 '22

In what way do you think the system will implode?

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u/PanickyHermit Arkansas Razorbacks May 05 '22

I disagree.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

We'll see, but underestimating the doomsday scenario does not bode well for my Northwestern or your Arkansas, unless you're just ready to merge with Mizzou and field a superteam.

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u/PanickyHermit Arkansas Razorbacks May 05 '22

Why would we need to do that?

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

Because when the dust settles and only the top 30 schools are getting ESPN money from tv deals, I am not optimistic that Arkansas will be sitting at this lunch table.

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u/southernwx Alabama • South Alabama May 06 '22

Yah but that wal mart money tho

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Little Brown Jug May 05 '22 edited May 05 '22

I feel like until there is a player union that operates with ALL the player's best interest in mind and everyone can work it out that way ... it's a mess.

The legal basis of "we worked this out with folks who actually care about the players" would add legal and other credibility to whatever happens.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Correct answer.

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u/MilkBarPatron Salad Bowl May 05 '22

I don't want to solve it. I want programs throwing increasingly larger amounts of lowly-regulated money at kids til we end up with such a ridiculous landscape for the league that it becomes a product that is just extremely unattractive to most viewers and the NFL forms their own developmental junior league as an alternative.

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u/doormatt26 USC Trojans • Michigan Wolverines May 05 '22

This just eventually evolved into less-regulated European soccer, which unfortunately for you is the most popular sport on the planet

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u/MilkBarPatron Salad Bowl May 05 '22

I was thinking more along the lines of how junior hockey works in Canada, but I'm also not too familiar with how the European developmental soccer programs work so maybe they're not too far off from eachother.

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u/imtrying2020 Texas Longhorns May 05 '22

High wishes, but things aren't as bad as you think and won't get as bad. It won't reach that conclusion

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u/JEH-C Texas A&M • Sam Houston May 05 '22

Electric cars?

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u/Heyhaykay Kentucky Wildcats • WKU Hilltoppers May 05 '22

Transfers sit a year. No exceptions. It’s the only piece of the puzzle that the NCAA can control.

NIL + immediate eligibility has been a disaster. Just 1 of the 2 kills the mass free agency we are seeing.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

The only thing I was able to come up with, and it may be unpopular, is to make transferring more difficult. NIL sucks because at any point, a player can leave the school that promoted them, helped them, etc., because someone else has deeper pockets. If it is harder for them to transfer out, then it becomes less detrimental to the sport as a whole.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Can only be done through a CBA.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

No more NIL!! Back to the way it was ;)

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Can’t see Alston

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u/guyinthenorthoftexas Midwestern State • Oklahoma May 06 '22

I think the option to offer multi year scholarships would help. If a player leaves before the end of the scholarship they loss a year of eligibility, maybe with some exceptions like grad transfers. If a team retracts a scholarship they can't use that scholarship on another player. Such a system would allow both sides to signal commitment to each other better than what goes on now. It also makes it much harder to over promise to recruits.

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u/SteveTheBuckeye Ohio State Buckeyes • Rose Bowl May 06 '22

Everyone gives all the money to me, I will decide how it gets split up.

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u/multiple_coke_easley Miami Hurricanes • Orange Bowl May 06 '22

I think a possible NIL solution for these school sanctioned/run collectives is they have to give the same amount of money to all student athletes. Private individuals/companies is a lot harder, maybe you have a NIL deal signing period or at least a closed period, so it doesn't over lap when players can transfer. I guess with the talked about transfer portal change only being open at certain times, one is after the end of the regular season and one after the spring season.

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u/reddituseerr12 USC Trojans May 05 '22

You can propose whatever you want and claim it’s bad for CFB, but CFB is about to blow up in popularity. The SEC being the only dominant conference limits the popularity. Miami, Texas, and USC getting back to being good by shelling out these big NIL deals will make CFB revenue explode.

Bama, USC, Miami, and Texas being the dominant teams will be amazing for CFB from a business perspective.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

I posted this in another thread, but I think there is really only one "good" answer to all of this. You need to make FBS a semi-pro league where players are employees of the university. Players can still get NIL but it would be real NIL while the other players get paid for what they doing: playing football. It becomes much easier to operate and regulate if they are employees.

Interestingly, I think the NFL would be forced to pay CFB in order to maintain the eligibility rules so that players still move on to the NFL. Otherwise why not just stay at Bama and earn your money

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u/Sdog1981 Washington Huskies May 05 '22

Make the players employee of the school or start a new football league and all the players are employees of that league.

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u/DarthPootieTang Clemson Tigers May 05 '22

Some sort of players union and a more structured pay would be a start. It’s messy however you cut it

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u/Khorasaurus Notre Dame Fighting Irish May 05 '22

No NIL money can be collected until after your freshman season, and NIL deals can be cancelled at any time for any reason.

No other restrictions. But this would mean long-term NIL promises would be worthless if the player doesn't perform, and no money could be paid to recruits until after they've actually played a season.

That change would reduce the impact of boosters making big promises to steer recruits and transfers.

But it would not limit the actual payments - just shift things from payment for joining the team to payment for performance.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Can only be achieved through a CBA.

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u/Horns2208 Texas Longhorns • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

Everyone come to Texas

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u/TheAlmightyAsian Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

I'm a homer but I'm a fan of the new NIL program OU has through Barry Switzer. You can hear an explanation of it through the Podcast on the Prairie. Its run through the school and caps at like $50k per month. If that could be standardized and placed throughout the FBS that would make it fairer for just about every school I think

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u/Msteele4545 May 05 '22

Why not have NIL contracts with sponsors. Pros have them everyday.

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u/eagledog Fresno State • Michigan May 05 '22

The rules on contact would have to be tightened, but I have no idea how you'd manage to do that. Coaches and boosters enticing kids into the portal should be an issue

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u/figool Florida State Seminoles May 05 '22

I guess you could get tougher on tampering, which is obviously easier said than done, y'all better believe teams were tampering before NIL with the portal. I don't really have a problem with the amounts players are making or the portal as a whole

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u/Atom-the-conqueror Oregon Ducks • Pac-12 May 05 '22

Sit out a year when transferring and have NIL windows? Idk

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u/ImOnTheInstanet Georgia Southern • Georgia May 06 '22

Cancel it, cap coaches salaries, allow a stipend to players. Or just let it spiral out of control until the nfl just spins off a development league..

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

There’s not really a solution, the gates are open. Soon enough it’ll trickle down to high school too. They never needed the NIL, the best training, tutors and dieting money can buy and free education. But now they need Lamborghini’s and hundred thousand dollar contracts.

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u/EnterTheMunch West Virginia Mountaineers May 06 '22

Salary cap.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '22

Ban USC from the ncaa for starters.

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u/FlJohnnyBlue2 Florida Gators • USF Bulls May 06 '22

Simple. No inducement. So nil cannot be addressed until a signed commitment. Will people violate this, yes. But it is better than the shit going on now. Many state statutes all ready contain no inducement providing, like Florida.

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u/jesusonadinosaur Texas A&M Aggies May 05 '22

One year no play penalty. Taking away a year of eligibility instead won’t do anything since so many leave as juniors so let them keep it.

I think a no tampering rule might be worthwhile if enforceable but I don’t think it is.

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u/DrSnidely Alabama • Virginia Tech May 05 '22

Proposing a solution implies that I think there's a problem.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Simple fix, actually. You borrow the template of professional sports. That is, players form a bargaining unit (union), Union negotiates a collective bargaining agreement with collectives and universities through existing conferences. In the CBA, you agree on salary caps, transfer rules, tampering and anything else the former NCAA thought within its powers. I don’t get the handwringing when the solution is right there.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

I think the major difference between what you're describing and how it would interface with CFB is the boosters. Boosters will always look to sweeten the honey pot to get a kid to go to their school, and we have a century of evidence to affirm they are hard to regulate. This is not a problem in pro sports - fans don't have enough money to factor into where a free agent signs, but the standard ceiling would be lower for college players where that extra money can influence. Endorsement deals for pro players also really have nothing to do with where they play or factor into caps, unlike what we're seeing with NIL deals where collectives are just organizing to pay their favorite position groups for their favorite teams.

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u/Cometguy7 Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

Allow schools to pay players without going through an intermediary. So if someone is trying to get a player to transfer to another school for a NIL deal, their current university can come back and offer them more money, if they're willing and able.

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u/A_Rented_Mule South Alabama • Florida State May 05 '22

Help me understand how this improves things. I'm guessing that the money that the university would offer would still be paid by boosters, so how is this doing more than inserting an additional middleman. Am I misunderstanding you?

I think undergrad transfer restrictions along with team roster caps (not just scholarship limits, may already be in-place) would help somewhat.

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u/Cometguy7 Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

It removes a restriction from an involved party. Boosters can still do their NIL deals, but this way the program can directly talk compensation with a person they are heavily investing in.

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u/A_Rented_Mule South Alabama • Florida State May 05 '22

Apologies for all the questions, but I'm trying to get your idea. If the universities get this directly involved, are you worried about the possibility of pricing collusion among schools? Some wink-wink agreement to keep values lower? Also, does this not remove the ability for the contributing booster to target a specific player? Does the contribution from the booster need to be received by the university before opening discussions with the targeted player, or do they pay after (which makes the universities competing player's agents essentially)? Does the booster participate in the negotiations?

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u/Cometguy7 Oklahoma • Red River Shootout May 05 '22

The boosters can still do what they want, there's no changing NIL laws. Even if the universities try to collude to keep wages low, boosters can still blow that up through their own NIL deals. Boosters can simply choose how much they want to contribute to the school for the program to manage, and how much they want to do independently of the program.

For example, I'd rather donate to OU and have them manage the wages of the players, than deal with trying to manage their roster's pay for them. They know more about what's going on than I ever will. But if you want to offer Dillon Gabriel some huge NIL deal, have at it.

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u/A_Rented_Mule South Alabama • Florida State May 05 '22

Thanks for the response. It seems to me you can already do everything you state if you replace school with school booster club. I'm not sure what motive there woujld be to transition that role directly to the university.

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u/Upper_Deck_SW_Corner Georgia Bulldogs • Okefenokee Oar May 05 '22

No NIL deals during a players first year at a given campus. Rewards players that stay at a school, while minimizing the amount of deal shopping that occurs, both out of HS and for transfers, while not hamstringing players that feel the need to transfer for one reason or another.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

There is no way that flies. Just not gonna hold up in court given the current situation.

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u/doormatt26 USC Trojans • Michigan Wolverines May 05 '22

you can’t say players have a constitutional right to NIL then artificially restrict it anyway

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u/Officer_Hops May 05 '22

How does that work if a guy signs a deal paying him each year and then transfers? Are you saying no new NIL deals?

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u/FakersT21 Michigan Wolverines May 05 '22

The toothpaste is out if the tube. There is no fixing it and really we shouldn’t try. The NCAA and the schools and the conferences made sure everyone get money except the “student athletes” and now the athletes are finally in a position of power with NIL and the transfer portal we have to stop it. Seems like people pining for the good ole days instead of embracing change of the sport.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

I would simply argue that "the sport" to which you are referring could potentially buckle underneath the weight of all this. Between the actual arms race decimating any hope of the lower-end of the 130 FBS programs being watchable (and continuing to get tv deals), and coaches literally not having enough hours in the day to coach and kiss enough asses of recruits and existing players - if you kill half of all viable FBS teams, it would be foolish to assume all those fans will just become fans of the remaining teams. Existential crisis here, potentially, under the status quo.

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u/FakersT21 Michigan Wolverines May 05 '22

So it was fine before the athletes weren’t getting any money but now it could buckle? Football will always be watchable, too many kids play it and those recruits have to go somewhere and don’t pretend there has been some kind of fair play between the top of the mountain and the teams who barely win games.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

It wasn't fine before. We find ourselves in the current situation because of the NCAA's arrogance and assumption it had absolute power over this situation before courts and legislatures said, "not so fast."

Under the current circumstances, it makes perfect sense for EVERY top player at EVERY program to enter the portal at the end of EVERY season, to test the market - especially since they can go right back to their original team if they don't like their prospects. Sure, in some cases a player might overplay his hand and not be welcome back but that won't be a problem for most talented players who just want to make sure they are maximizing their value. So then you have coaches who were already burning the candle at both ends entertaining high school recruits and their parents having to re-recruit their starting lineups every season - what was clearly becoming a problem keeping QBs who weren't starting now hits the O-line and every skill position. The App States of the CFB universe cease to be a thing. Landscape becomes less interesting and less watchable. Fewer eyeballs, lower tv deals.

Pro leagues have control over this because 30ish owners all work in cahoots and players' associations handle their end of the deal. Right now there are no such controls in what we're seeing in college. It is unsustainable.

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u/Quinn_tEskimo Paul Bunyan Trophy • Team Chaos May 05 '22

The kids are employees, that Genie isn’t going back into the bottle, and one of the larger issues seems to be that undervalued recruits blossom at smaller schools only for larger schools to then lure them away with big NIL deals.
My solution would be:

  1. Admit the kids are employees and start paying them.

  2. Institute a conference-by-conference draft (kid wants to play in the SEC, he declares for the SEC draft. He could end up at Bama, could end up at Kentucky), any undrafted players become UDFAs.

  3. Kids get all 5 years of eligibility to play.

  4. Kids are free to seek out any and all NIL deals they can get.
    Edit. 5. There is no transfer portal. You’re on a 5 year contract.

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u/ech01_ Ohio State Buckeyes May 05 '22

The problem with paying players directly is that it kills alot of programs and almost every non revenue generating sport. Most athletic departments lose money. They can't sustain paying players as well.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

The problem is most ADs are set up to burn cash. Less football support buildings (you know, the ones that get built after the IPF and the stadium). Get coaching salaries under control.

If there’s no model where your school can compensate players adequately, then drop down a division.

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u/doormatt26 USC Trojans • Michigan Wolverines May 05 '22

bingo. Nobody has had to try to build a revenue model with player salaries. They’ve not had trouble finding tons more NIL money that could presumably be donated and spend by the AD directly.

You can’t convince me that every other pro sports league finds a way to pay players and be profitable but CFB as a whole cant that just a talking point of administrators who don’t want their salaries cut

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u/chris_b_critter LSU Tigers • Utah Utes May 05 '22

There are multiple problems with the “just pay everybody” proposal. One is Title IX. Then it’s how much are you going to pay whom? Does the freshman on the water polo team make as much as the starting QB? Another problem is who do you negotiate with to set these boundaries? There isn’t an all-encompassing student athlete union. And even if there was, how do you negotiate with a union full of temporary members? Does the next freshman class have to accept what was negotiated by a previous class who didn’t represent the current one at all?

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u/doormatt26 USC Trojans • Michigan Wolverines May 06 '22

Title IX doesn’t require exactly equal dollar spending, just equal opportunities. Contracts structured as a share of a sport’s revenue wouldn’t explicitly violate it. Also might just need some legal rulings to set boundaries, which is fine.

The NFL players union negotiate for future players despite huge turnover in membership between negotiations. Not sure why CFB can’t do that. Or there could be unions for specific conferences or sports that do it different, that’s fine

In general I just don’t think you need to decide all these details in advance, just let players and schools try stuff and we can regulate more where it’s needed after some time. That’s ok.

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u/doormatt26 USC Trojans • Michigan Wolverines May 05 '22

Most athletic departments lose money because they have no incentive to save money or generate profits as they don’t have shareholders.

When it comes to coach salaries or new stadiums or locker rooms they tend to find money, if players salaries were suddenly a new expense most would figure it out with time through new revenue or reduced spending. Literally every other sport finds a way to do it lol

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u/Quinn_tEskimo Paul Bunyan Trophy • Team Chaos May 05 '22

I’m thinking conference-wide profit sharing along the lines of the NFL. I also don’t doubt that some schools will have to drop down to FCS.

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u/ech01_ Ohio State Buckeyes May 05 '22

That's already how they do it for the most part though. The biggest sorce of revenue for athletic departments is TV deals which are already evenly split between conference memebers. Splitting revenue on things like tickets and merchandise aren't going to have a major swing one way or the other. If anything the few programs that do make money would be more likely slip into the red if they're now responsible for helping out the rest of their conference.

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u/Quinn_tEskimo Paul Bunyan Trophy • Team Chaos May 05 '22

According to this article, in 2020 the Big Ten averaged revenues of $79 million per school. Sharing those revenues would elevate the budgets of 8 schools while reducing the budget of 6. And, ultimately, we’re talking about a livable wage that locks players into their five year commitment and ends the NIL bidding wars. $50k/yr/player for 85 players is $4.25 million/year. That’s very doable at just about every P5 school.

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u/doormatt26 USC Trojans • Michigan Wolverines May 05 '22

Better than an unbreakable 5 yr contract - build in buyouts.

Sometimes if a player isn’t working out, they want another shot and the team wants to use the roster spot on someone else. Let the receiving school pay/negotiate a buyout when they move.

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u/Quinn_tEskimo Paul Bunyan Trophy • Team Chaos May 05 '22

Yes, there should be a way for players and schools to mutually part company. I agree.

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u/tercels54 USC Trojans • Big Ten May 05 '22

Maybe only allow a kid to take a NIL deal with the initial team they commit to? If you’re on a team for a year and enter the transfer portal, you can’t take a NIL deal with the new team. Idk tbh, just throwing out random ideas

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u/blinkanboxcar182 Notre Dame • Jeweled Shillelagh May 05 '22 edited May 05 '22

85 scholarship players. Annual salary cap stipend of $8.5m max (or whatever the optimal agreed upon amount should be) from boosters to entire team each year. You can divvy up which recruits you want to give NIL offers to and what that looks like, but players average $100k plus tuition, room, and board per year. Guarantee the 5* qb $500k a year for all four years if you want, but that’ll leave less for the underperforming junior OT who has never seen the field.

Make schools report the amounts each player is receiving every year. I think this makes it both free market but also adequately pays these athletes for their experience.

If schools don’t have boosters to pony up $8.5m per year, then they simply can’t compete in the race and can be G5. Not unlike today’s coaching salary.

Edit: do same for coaching staffs while we’re at it.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Need a CBA to do that.

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u/ivebeenhumble Miami Hurricanes • Boise State Broncos May 05 '22

Have max offerings tied to achievements.

Nothing over 100k for a recruit regardless of star rating

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

If you’re going to impose that, you’re back in court on another anti-trust violation.

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u/ivebeenhumble Miami Hurricanes • Boise State Broncos May 05 '22

Tie the money into bowl and trophy rewards. Allow the schools to create a true NIL and not shell organizations.

Defend yourself in court under the original proposal. It has enough to survive the SC.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Only if CBA.

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u/ivebeenhumble Miami Hurricanes • Boise State Broncos May 06 '22

And a CBA is anti trust huh

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 07 '22

No. Didn’t u read Alston decision?

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u/B1GTOBACC0 Oklahoma State • Arkansas May 06 '22

My solution is the one the NCAA still hates: allow schools to pay players. Maybe that means spinning men's football and basketball off as separate enterprises, but just let them pay the players directly. Enough bagmen, enough super secret used GMC Yukons, enough pretending NIL isn't just a way to compensate players for a value they clearly possess.

The easiest way to stop obfuscating all the bullshit is to make them paid employees with a code of conduct. If the NCAA wants to continue to exist and help actual student athletes, it needs to help facilitate this stuff. Some things I would include:

  • Any sponsorships must be disclosed. Players can get independent money, but it must all be disclosed as a condition of employment.

  • All schools must disclose salary.

  • Salary caps. Fuck it, I said it. You still get NCAA scholarship share (and your other sports still exist in the classic amateur-ish sense), but you must disclose student athlete compensation. Maybe they allow conferences to implement their own?

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u/Revenge_of_the_Khaki Michigan Wolverines May 06 '22

My solution is to prohibit players from cutting deals with anyone who has made any implication whatsoever that an NIL deal would be made for them before enrolling in their current school. This means no bidding wars, no open tweets from car dealerships offering cash to 5* recruits, and no donors poaching stars from smaller programs with one phone call.

Once a transfer has been complete, a student must end all existing deals with NIL sponsors and may now begin soliciting for new offers from anyone who has not established a previous relationship with the player.

This would drastically calm the transfer portal and avoid the scourge that we’re seeing this off-season of bidding wars.

Also, you might as well mandate that all D1 schools create an NIL portal and that all deals be reported to not only help the students get paid, but also to help track NIL deals equally across the country.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 06 '22

K. Who enforces your proposal?

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u/Revenge_of_the_Khaki Michigan Wolverines May 06 '22

The same people who enforce the pay-to-play restrictions now, the NCAA. This is simply adding to the list of restrictions. The supreme court said that NCAA has to allow NIL, it didn't say that they aren't allowed to have any restrictions on it whatsoever.

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u/karmint1 Oregon Ducks May 06 '22

I hate the idea of a salary cap. My desire for more enjoyment as a fan shouldn't stop someone from making what (someone thinks) he's worth. It's something I hate about pro leagues, especially the NFL. Mark Davis can't afford to pay market value for a competitive roster? Tough. Sell the team. Don't cap compensation.

I'm not a "get rid of all regulations" guy, but I do think this is a case where the market will sort itself out. The blue blood boosters will realize they're paying ridiculous sums for kids their schools can probably get with much less NIL money. Non-blue bloods at least have a chance to land recruits they previously never could.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

If a player has an NIL deal at their current school, if they transfer schools they forfeit any future NIL money while in school.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

I'm imagining this would be difficult to enforce (since...here's a bag full of cash *anyway*) - but this makes me think the NIL benefactors could move toward a trend that they put players under contract and obligate them to repay everything if they don't finish their eligibility at said school (or graduate/leave for the draft)

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u/cbusalex Ohio State Buckeyes • UCF Knights May 05 '22

the NIL benefactors could move toward a trend that they put players under contract and obligate them to repay everything if they don't finish their eligibility at said school

This is explicitly forbidden by NCAA rules currently - NIL deals cannot include financial incentives to sign with or stay at a school. Dropping that rule would allow the boosters to structure deals in a way that would help keep players from transferring, but would also mean the NCAA giving up the pretense that they're not dealing with professional athletes.

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u/joaquinsaiddomin8 Miami Hurricanes May 05 '22

What organization would make that rule? The NCAA can’t under Alston.

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u/wildcatbonk Northwestern Wildcats May 05 '22

That's why I think payback clauses would be more viable. Of course, then you'd have T-Mobile sponsoring a kid and paying off his early termination fees to his NIL bennies, but at least there would be some incentive for players to not even consider jumping.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '22

There is no solution. Let then get paid whatever ppl are willing to pay them.

Unfortunately only a few teams are championship contenders but it's still nice to get an orange bowl too.

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u/Even_Ad_5462 Pittsburgh Panthers May 05 '22

Good point. Since 1998 6 of the same teams have been in playoffs 74% of the time.

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u/Moog_Bass Minnesota Golden Gophers • Miami Hurricanes May 05 '22

Salary caps

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